Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering 1 Jul 01, 2012 4:19 pm Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: carbon tax 4Jul 02, 2012 10:43 pm CALL 1300GOHARVEY www.harveynormanflooring.com.au Carpet, Rugs, Timber, Bamboo, Laminate, Vinyl & Vinyl Tiles TIMBERMAX Real Australian Hardwood Flooring IN STORES NOW Re: carbon tax 6Jul 03, 2012 11:35 am flooring is already very expensive comparing to oversea prices. similar tile from the same region in China can be bought and installed for 4 RMB each, in China. taking into transport and duty i do not see how we need to pay 100+ AUD per sqm to get them install. salary is high, but meh who is going to complain. lol. Re: carbon tax 7Jul 03, 2012 8:45 pm Our quantities are so low that Australian importers do not get the same price as importers who buy for markets with hundreds upon hundreds of millions of people. Also, transport costs both into the country and within the country are very high. Our tradespeople are scarce, so those left work on supply and demand and are super expensive. Our commercial rents in Australia are amongst the highest per square metre in the developed world. Plus our wages are amongst the highest too. Add those factors all together and that's where you get to the market prices in Australia. It's not one thing, but a series of things that input into a retail price. It's not fair to compare a price of something here to a price of something overseas. Many importers in small countries like Australia purchase minimum quantities of production runs that bigger importers buying for super large counties would laugh at. We know of some overseas companies who buy an entire years worth of production of a product because they have a market hundreds of times larger than Australia. We certainly live in the greatest country In the world for sure, but when overseas manufacturers know you are not from one of the super large countries, your price goes up because your quantities you are buying are so tiny (on a global scale). In respect to carbon tax. There are many contributing factors that we can only wait and see what the outcome will be. It may be a substantial change, but it may also be minor, only time will tell. CALL 1300GOHARVEY www.harveynormanflooring.com.au Carpet, Rugs, Timber, Bamboo, Laminate, Vinyl & Vinyl Tiles TIMBERMAX Real Australian Hardwood Flooring IN STORES NOW Re: carbon tax 8Jul 03, 2012 9:16 pm Hi HN. There is still huge markups. I went to a trade show once and there were importers from china trying to sell their products. There was a mosiac tile I was looking at. Knowing that I seen the same 300X300mm mosiac tile in the shop for $29 each I asked him how much was the same tile and the reply was $6 i said per tile and he said no per square meter, but I had to buy a 1000 square meters.
If you guys dont watch it more and more people will start importing flooring like they are with clothes and electronics. Having work for HN in the past. If electronics where cheaper in Aus to begin with years ago there would have been no reason for people to look os for their next purchase. The internet together with better wireless communication has allowed people to become more savey and be able to search prices out and about. Moral of the storey - the mojority of the price we pay here is for markup. So even if you half the price from china you only reduce the price by $3. Re: carbon tax 9Jul 03, 2012 9:32 pm We respectfully disagree with you. You are of course entitled to your opinion. That's the best thing about this great forum at Homeone, you get various opinions on subjects. We wish you all te best CALL 1300GOHARVEY www.harveynormanflooring.com.au Carpet, Rugs, Timber, Bamboo, Laminate, Vinyl & Vinyl Tiles TIMBERMAX Real Australian Hardwood Flooring IN STORES NOW Re: carbon tax 10Jul 04, 2012 7:57 pm Interesting comments and a good read. Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: carbon tax 11Jul 04, 2012 9:35 pm B STAR If you can buy them at that price, start a new business company and import them. Then you will understand the REAL COST of running business in Australia, as HN Flooring Team touched on. The 'markup' you refer to, is not profit, but to cover these high costs of doing business in Australia. The new Bstar Tile Co. will make a killing at retailing those tiles, at you would call 1000% markup, @ $5.40/ tile. Re: carbon tax 12Jul 05, 2012 9:30 am Hey Mark, I guess we need to define what the true cost is first. 10% of profit going to Sales person, 10% of profit going to franchise and 10% going to Gerry Harvey in my eyes does not constitute true cost. Regarding setting up business - many people do this already so I don’t need to do this. Ebay is full of these type of businesses who operate from industrial warehouses. This is when people in shops try to bag the product saying its inferior even though it came from the same factory, but bypasses all the middle men. (some admittedly can be inferior) but just because it is imported privately from china does not automatically mean it is. Trouble is in Australia we work on a principle of selling for the highest price you can get away with. It amazes me that we I started looking into bamboo flooring 5 years ago before many people knew about it it was only $30/meter. In that time dollar has gone up and yet now it is $60 per meter. Also if you look at Australian timber I can by solid timber for $50 per square meter and bay $25 per meter to sand and polish. so say $75 all up (not including underlay and install) . Then we need to consider the cost of Carbon tax as pe per the OP. So if electricty goes up by 10% it would be very hard to even justify a few percentage increase in cost on the retail end. Of course that is unless commision and employee cost are carbon taxed . Re: carbon tax 13Jul 05, 2012 1:32 pm B STAR Hi HN. There is still huge markups. I went to a trade show once and there were importers from china trying to sell their products. There was a mosiac tile I was looking at. Knowing that I seen the same 300X300mm mosiac tile in the shop for $29 each I asked him how much was the same tile and the reply was $6 i said per tile and he said no per square meter, but I had to buy a 1000 square meters. If you guys dont watch it more and more people will start importing flooring like they are with clothes and electronics. Having work for HN in the past. If electronics where cheaper in Aus to begin with years ago there would have been no reason for people to look os for their next purchase. The internet together with better wireless communication has allowed people to become more savey and be able to search prices out and about. Moral of the storey - the mojority of the price we pay here is for markup. So even if you half the price from china you only reduce the price by $3. True, we do ALL our shopping for clothes, cosmetics, shoes etc online and source it mainly from the US and UK for a fraction of the price it costs here. I agree with the huge mark ups and I don't agree that this mark up is entirely due to the high cost of doing business in Australia. If that is the case then why the huge variation in prices between Aussie stores (again not fully explained by 'buying power' of bigger sized retailers). We recently completed a full renovation (took 3 months). By shopping around, extensive use of online resources and some hard negotiating, I reckon we saved between 60 to 80% of RRPs! Some examples: Difference between buying at Swan Street Sales as opposed to Reece - same product (showers) - cost me $250 vs $425 in Reece. Similarly all other taps, mixers etc - price difference was between 40-60% Hand showers - cost $120 in Swan Street vs $66 in Swan Plumbing. Our best purchase by far was the Amtico flooring, (not Spacia, but Amtico the one with 1mm wear layer) - $115 m2 quoted in let's call it Shop A; $85/m2 in shop B and on clearance in shop C for $30+GST/m2, yes, you read that right $33!!! I am so chuffed with this price as it was for a large area and they look absolutely fantastic. Re: carbon tax 14Jul 05, 2012 7:13 pm With great respect to B STAR and Camber, I do think that you don't really know the real costs to Austalian businesses. One example of costs against the term you refer to as 'mark-up' for a furniture store. Freight on a lounge suite from Sydney to my area, approx 500km can be $400 - $500. That is a cost added to your base price for the lounge suite delivered to the shop. It is NOT a markup on that base price. Camber. Price a lounge or a roll of carpet OS in USA or UK, and then COST it to be delivered to your door here in Australia. You will understand the difference. By all means we should shop around for the best deal or price. Best deal, and lowest price, are not the same thing IMO. We have all heard of the door-to-door painters that just happen to have paint left from a job, and we can paint your roof really cheap. Great price, but not a great deal. Mark Re: carbon tax 15Jul 06, 2012 9:12 am Mark S Camber. Price a lounge or a roll of carpet OS in USA or UK, and then COST it to be delivered to your door here in Australia. You will understand the difference. If that is the case then why such a huge variation (60%+) in prices within stores in Australia? I wasn't comparing prices of sanitary fittings etc between US and Aus but in stores within Aus itself. And talking of pricing some large items, have done that, even after taking into account delivery charges, it is significantly more expensive here. FWIW my flooring that was on clearance/special (not the carpet) cost me less here than what it costs in both the US and UK. Re: carbon tax 16Jul 06, 2012 10:31 pm Pricing can be extremely different between stores. The exact same item we purchased today, an Excalibur area heater, was $210 at Home Hardware, yet Mitre 10 had it for $150. Now assuming Mitre 10 are still making profit to cover costs etc who is doing the ripoff. I don't care what the product is, but this is happening with a wide range of products. This is within Oz and not comparing to Overseas, where prices are generally cheaper due to greater economies of scale. ie more volume less profit. It's crap like this that makes people annoyed where you can buy from one much cheaper than another, for the same identical product. This as far more annoying in my opinion. Competition is a fine thing, ripping people off is another. Is it any wonder people are using online servicing more as they are more competitive/cheaper due to less overheads. Perhaps other stores have to re-structure and become more competitive rather than "what grandad did is good enough me", and living in the past. Currently being an owner builder I have come across numerous instances of extreme variations in price for similar/same products. the greatest range was $13K to $45K for windows. Yes there would be differences, but$30K!!!! I could list many other variances. Even purchasing in Australia I expect a fair price for the product chosen. Even with competition I do not expect extreme variation in pricing. The variation should be reasonable for the product and area purchased in. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: carbon tax 17Jul 12, 2012 7:07 pm delatite13...it pays to shop around and do your homework which you have done. Well done! Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com the exemption applies only to your principal place of residence - so you must live in it. The 200 days is continuous. You also have to apply for the exemption. 2 13320 If it's your primary residence then there is no tax deductions to be made. 4 125343 |