Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering 1 Jun 14, 2010 9:37 pm We are contemplating black butt for our open plan living areas..I am wondering about the colour tones of this particular wood...I noticed in one photo here on the forum that the colour was throwing pink...which is what we are trying to avoid...prefering to stay more cream brown tones....I am also wondering about the colour change with oiling this floor..if anyone has photos along the lines of what we are seeking it would be very much appreciated...thankyou Re: Black butt flooring 2Jun 14, 2010 10:09 pm i haven't got my blackbutt sanded and polised yet but I wouldn't say that blackbutt has pink tones. Colours on computers can always be a bit misleading sometimes. I think that the oil gives it a darker colour than the water based ones. The colour that i'm hoping for is more of a caramelly tone rather than the blonde colours. So i'm going oil. I know it might not be the same, but I got samples of engineered floors to help pick the colour / timber type that i wanted. Which state are you in? I might be able to suggest some good showrooms that I've found. Re: Black butt flooring 3Jun 14, 2010 10:23 pm little buddy i haven't got my blackbutt sanded and polised yet but I wouldn't say that blackbutt has pink tones. Colours on computers can always be a bit misleading sometimes. I think that the oil gives it a darker colour than the water based ones. The colour that i'm hoping for is more of a caramelly tone rather than the blonde colours. So i'm going oil. I know it might not be the same, but I got samples of engineered floors to help pick the colour / timber type that i wanted. Which state are you in? I might be able to suggest some good showrooms that I've found. Thanks for responding...like yourself caramel tones would be ideal..and oil is the preference..It would be great to look at the floor oiled just to get a guage on colour...I am in victoria. Re: Black butt flooring 4Jun 15, 2010 9:50 am 2 showrooms that I have seen which had a nice display (I didn't buy from these by the way) *** in Clayton - their displays showed water based and oiled next to each other for a variety of wood types. I found that useful to see that there could be such a difference in colour because of this. Tait Timber and Hardware in Glen Iris - upstairs is a really large showroom. With both of these I wasn't looking at blackbutt specifically at the time so you might want to call first to see if they have it on display. With my installer I showed him a sample of the colour i prefer and he said that wasn't a problem. I'm not exactly sure (eg i should check!) but i don't think that they need to do oil on all the coats. this will help get the colour that i want. Re: Black butt flooring 5Jun 15, 2010 9:53 am I have blackbutt flooring. Consider getting standard grade and not select grade. I find that even once the floor is dented or even scratched I struggle to find the marking when i know it is there somewhere. I have finished my flooring with two pack gloss and it has given the floor a honey type of color (not pink). Re: Black butt flooring 6Jun 15, 2010 9:59 am Over time the floor will change colour due to UV light. I'll try and take a picture of some blackbutt that my parents put in their house 10 years ago. If you lift a rug (yes the rug has been in the same place) you can see a massive difference. The UV effected area will be darker. Re: Black butt flooring 7Jun 15, 2010 10:59 am From what I have encountered, blackbutt throws more honey/yellowy coloured tones. We chose stringybark to avoid the yellowy/golden look and the timber looked quite pink when we first laid it, but when it was sanded and polished (water based satin), the colour ended up more a honey colour. We love it still but it goes to show how different the polish has on the timber. I also believe the colour of the walls have a big impact on them too. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ (above) before. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ (above) after. Re: Black butt flooring 8Jun 15, 2010 3:05 pm Love the wall colour and love your floors. What colour is the wall!? Re: Black butt flooring 9Jun 15, 2010 5:55 pm Nathan SteelFab Love the wall colour and love your floors. What colour is the wall!? Thanks Nathan, it's a Taubmans colour called Kid Skin. Re: Black butt flooring 10Jun 16, 2010 8:33 am I love the neutral tones! Makes it a lot easier to add some colour in furniture or art later on. Re: Black butt flooring 11Jun 16, 2010 5:41 pm little buddy 2 showrooms that I have seen which had a nice display (I didn't buy from these by the way) *** in Clayton - their displays showed water based and oiled next to each other for a variety of wood types. I found that useful to see that there could be such a difference in colour because of this. Tait Timber and Hardware in Glen Iris - upstairs is a really large showroom. ... Has anyone found a showroom in Sydney that actually displays the same species but finished in different finishes (like above)?? Please let me know if they exist. From what I've seen so far, you'd be lucky to find displayed some 5-10 year old timber and always finished in polyurethane. They also tell me "oh, but the actual timber is now different to this one, it depends on the forest bla bla ..." So, if I'm sourcing blackbutt going from their archaic display, I have no idea what I'll get. I suppose clients do have "huge options" - buy samples of finishes and buy samples of timber. Then sand them, seal, buff, coat, buff, coat (well, depending on what finish the silly client wants). Oh, and to find anything finished specifically in Bona (water based) ... Princessfee, your floor is beautiful! Althoguh, I am surprised to see that a water based finished has slightly yellowed the blackbutt - do you know what brand name it was? Did they use a sealer coat? And who installed your floors?? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Black butt flooring 12Jun 16, 2010 7:47 pm I installed our floors myself, I'm a carpenter, so no point paying someone else! They are actually stringy bark, not blackbutt, but they are very similar. They have been finished with bona water based satin. They were sanded and finished by David from A and J floor sanding. I can give you his details if you like. There is a boral flooring display at Stud and Track in Revesby, they have a huge range, thats where we bought our timber from. Re: Black butt flooring 13Jun 16, 2010 10:35 pm Hey waylow/princessfee now I remember you You explained me your timber floors some months ago - and of course I can't find the thread now ... Yep, on close inspection it's quite obvious they are stringybark floors. Great, can you please PM me the details? Ohhhh, and how much you charge My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Black butt flooring 14Jun 16, 2010 11:04 pm My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Black butt flooring 15Jun 17, 2010 8:32 pm Lex where are you located? If its only a small job and your willing to wait a little bit (it IS ski season after all ) I might be able to do it for you, I only do this sort of stuff on weekends, I work full time so during the week is out. Depending on what needs doing, it would be around $30-35 a sq/m, which is about the going rate. You're welcome to come and have a look at ours if you like. I will send you the details for David when Fee comes home from work. Re: Black butt flooring 16Jun 17, 2010 9:22 pm Hey thanks, waylow!! Ours is actually the whole house, 2 levels ... and we still haven't really sorted it 100% , but are tossing between slimwood and parquetry ( ) ... the hubby thinks parquetry looks too busy (and I tend to agree), plus it does look dated, if not even odd in new houses ... but is great height-wise ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Black butt flooring 17Jun 18, 2010 7:08 pm Make sure the flooring is Coastal Blackbutt (eucalyptus pilularis) and not New England Blackbutt (which is actually from the Ash group of eucalypts, not a blackbutt) Blackbutt will give nice cremes and caramels with a tung oil finish or something like Bona water based with a solvent based primer coat. Care needs to be taken when selecting stringybark as to what you are being supplied. Some mills sell Yellow Stringybark (single species) where as others such as Borals stringybark is a mix of different stringybarks so will contain a bigger variations of colour (and hardness) Boral stringybark generally contains Yellow Stringybark, White Stringybark and Messmate Stringybark. The 'yellow/honey' colour on blonde/light brown floors is generally as a result of being coated in an older style oil-based polyurethane. Re: Black butt flooring 18Jun 18, 2010 8:09 pm Oh, they barely tell you the bare minimum, they wouldn't have a clue what species they are selling. Some are "not aware" of different bbtt species ( ), others get offended right away since I am not allowed to know of something they don't (this goes for everything, though). The third ones simply tell me it's the one that I'm after ( . . ), and then I tell them that "oh no, I meant the other one, silly me" My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Black butt flooring 19Jun 18, 2010 8:12 pm sounds like your having fun dealing with sales people rather than timber specialists there is also WA Blackbutt and QLd Blackbutt. Qld Blackbutt is more a mid-brown compared to others Re: Black butt flooring 20Jun 18, 2010 8:24 pm I am having a nightmare!! I went to some really really top place (can't say which, as it would automatically be identified and everyone that knows anything aabout the timber industry's who's who would know exactly who I saw) - well, this place gave me some weird info (all manuals I read about timber and floors say the opposite) and quoted on narrow Hurford's ... so yeah, I guess you can find a next door handy man doing a fantastic job, per the book, and not even knowing it, while big guys remain big just on their own words. One glaring example of failure is 'how many anchors' per standard sheet of plywood'. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... The warning is on the sticker on the door too. Second the aluminium powdercoat 6 18194 Thankyou for your advice. 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