Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 21Jun 21, 2010 11:25 pm I think parquetry is beautifully stunning. I wouldn't mind for our next home to have parquetry however I am extremely happy with the way our floor has turned out. Everyone comments and everyday I find a new interesting feature to look at. Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 22Jun 22, 2010 7:55 am Thanks, Dollar for your comment. What species and grade do you have (forgot it! )? And is yours the 19mm boards on 19mm battens/ply? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 23Jun 22, 2010 9:47 am 19mm boards (I'm not sure what it's laid on-I think battens but not sure what size I remember seeing them during the build). We used grey ironbark. My other half is a floor sander so he finished the floors. Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 24Jun 22, 2010 10:46 am Oooooh, how handy was that!! Yep, I saw a few glimpses of your beautiful unfinished grey IB on your blog, IB is a really nice timber ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 26Jun 22, 2010 7:12 pm Hmmmm ... a few of the installers are all happy with ply. In fact, a comment made by one of them made me stir away from direct glueing onto slab. Boral also says: "Parquetry should be glued directly onto a level subfloor such as concrete, plywood, particleboard or an existing timber floor." Also found this on the web: http://www.floorinstallers.com.au/parquetry_repair.phtml which sounds terrible in case something goes wrong. Although, not sure if and how would it be possible to separate ply from the slab, if it ever comes to that !!! My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 27Jun 22, 2010 7:16 pm Dollar I think parquetry is beautifully stunning. I wouldn't mind for our next home to have parquetry however I am extremely happy with the way our floor has turned out. Everyone comments and everyday I find a new interesting feature to look at. + 1 I adore parquetry, I think it's the pattern that gets me in. Re: Overlay Flooring 32Jun 23, 2010 10:43 pm mickve Lex Is it be the same case with any width of overlay? What about 19mm boards, mickve - do we need to glue them heavily too (on upstairs particleb.)? BTW, trowel glue - does it mea to smudge it thick all over the floor, not individual blobs? I believe any overlay boards should be trowel glued but it is best to speak to the manufacturer of the boards you have it will also depend on if it has a secret nail profile tounge and groove or not. 19mm boards 90mm wide and under dont nead trowel glue just strip glue. Boards over this width should be top nailed and secret nailed or trowel glued and secret nailed. Trowel glue is exactly that glue installed with a trowel to all of the subfloor not blobs of glue here and there this is why it is expensive to do as the correct glue will cost anywhere from $11 to $15 psm just to buy the glue then add labour to that. Hi Mickve Can you tell me what is the reason you believe that the overlay boards should be trowel glued?? Thanks!! (I'm not trying to dispute anything, just to understand better ) My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 33Jun 23, 2010 10:59 pm Re: Overlay Flooring 34Jun 23, 2010 11:21 pm Lex mickve Lex Is it be the same case with any width of overlay? What about 19mm boards, mickve - do we need to glue them heavily too (on upstairs particleb.)? BTW, trowel glue - does it mea to smudge it thick all over the floor, not individual blobs? I believe any overlay boards should be trowel glued but it is best to speak to the manufacturer of the boards you have it will also depend on if it has a secret nail profile tounge and groove or not. 19mm boards 90mm wide and under dont nead trowel glue just strip glue. Boards over this width should be top nailed and secret nailed or trowel glued and secret nailed. Trowel glue is exactly that glue installed with a trowel to all of the subfloor not blobs of glue here and there this is why it is expensive to do as the correct glue will cost anywhere from $11 to $15 psm just to buy the glue then add labour to that. Hi Mickve Can you tell me what is the reason you believe that the overlay boards should be trowel glued?? Thanks!! (I'm not trying to dispute anything, just to understand better ) You nead to be a installer then you will see for yourself.If you have a 12mm thick flooring and you staple or nail it the nail is holding on to aprox 6 to 8mm of timber which isnt much, each brand is different but i have had one job that every staple we put in would crack the tounge the manufacturer told the customer that glue is not required but i could see for myself it wasnt going to hold so we glued it down anyway to answer your question there isnt enough timber for a nail or staple to hold strong enough in my opinion. Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 35Jun 24, 2010 1:03 am Thanks, mick. I was thinking about this depth of nail penetration before. This is from installation instructions for 14mm overlay on 15mm ply: In conjunction with adhesive fixing, the flooring is to be mechanically and secretly fixed and the recommended fixing is ‘Powernailer’ cleats – 25 mm long at 250 mm spacing and not within 75 mm of board ends. Note that staples are more prone to splitting the tongue. If they indeed use only 25 mm long nails, and assuming that the nails go into the T&G under a 45 degree angle, then this 25mm nail penetrates thru all of the board and through barely 4mm of ply. There is about 17mm of ply with no nail thru it at all. So, either the manufacturer instructions are wrong (nail size too short), or the nail has to go vertically into t&g 83x14mm board - or ??? Why not use a longer nail?? Why specify such a short nail and leave most of the ply unused?? This doesn't make any sense. Boral says, for installation of "19mm flooring onto 12mm ply" (12mm - this is weird) to use 38mm nails. This still leaves some 11mm of ply without nail. Is the nail supposed to go under the 45 deg angle?? Also, do installers really follow instructions and use nails rather than staples for overlay? Instructions are very clear on the Power Cleat web site (although their sizes are confusing - they express the size of nail as a range - !?!?!!? http://powernail.com.au/fasteners.html ). My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 37Jun 24, 2010 9:09 am It was very late last night ... I forgot to include the above-groove part, which is 5.5mm for 14mm timber. So, the nail goes under 45 degree angle and into some 12mm of ply. 8mm of ply remain untouched. Which seems to be a waste - we could equally have 12mm ply, which would have about 5.5mm of ply left untouched. Unless there is a nail size between 25mm and 38mm which can be better utilised for 14mm timber and 15mm ply combo ?!?!?! My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 38Jun 24, 2010 4:53 pm For the secret nail guns we sell 28mm staples for overlay flooring and 44mm staples for 19mm flooring Re: Overlay Flooring - OR Parquetry??? 40Jun 24, 2010 9:07 pm On the contrary the staple goes most of the way through - why are you including the section of flooring above the tongue? http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c351/Dukekamaya/secret.gif 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6202 Engineering timber is certainly a less fuss option, times cheaper to supply and install and better withstands humidity. 1 15919 Hi there, I'm a conplete newbie to this, but I'm looking to put a floor down in my 6x9m shed. It's currently sitting on a 100mm thick concrete perimeter (dirt floor… 0 6468 |