Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering Re: Redbook Total Carpet 2May 24, 2010 3:41 am Its a nice luxurious soft nylon carpet. Good stain resistance, but still requires care to keep looking good. Will remain nice & soft and wear well. Avoid very light tones though, as they will show any soiling/contamination. 36oz will probably be not as deep and plush as a 50oz. A 36oz will probably perform a bit better than a 50oz and cost less. But some people just love the 50oz for the luxurious feel if gives. Just last week I helped a carpet layer (with 40 years experience) lay a 50oz Redbook nylon. He said he put some of the same carpet in his own home because he loves it, and normally ****** on the floor rather than the lounge at home. One thing... the Redbook Total has 'Ultrabac' backing instead of jute. This is a relatively new type of backing material. It looks good and certainly has some benefits. But some layers find it a bit strange to lay, as it has a lot of stretch. Being fairly new, it may present some issues with the installation. But as long as the layers are experienced and conform to the Redbook installation procedures, it should be fine. I think the twist pile will be the better style of carpets in this range. Ash. Re: Redbook Total Carpet 4May 27, 2010 10:25 pm Hi Ash, I'm so sorry if this is a dumb question, but there's a carpet we're interested in in the Redbook Total range, called 'Silver Springs' colour is 9 Dolomite. On the back of the sample I have it says '100% Nylon'... I gather this is not the same as 'solution dyed nylon'??? Because it seems that most people think the solution dyed nylon is the best... but this one has a 5 star wear rating and 15 yr guarantee, extra heavy duty etc etc. Would it say 'solution dyed' on the back if it was? Re: Redbook Total Carpet 5May 28, 2010 12:10 am Felistopher Hi Ash, I'm so sorry if this is a dumb question, but there's a carpet we're interested in in the Redbook Total range, called 'Silver Springs' colour is 9 Dolomite. On the back of the sample I have it says '100% Nylon'... I gather this is not the same as 'solution dyed nylon'??? Because it seems that most people think the solution dyed nylon is the best... but this one has a 5 star wear rating and 15 yr guarantee, extra heavy duty etc etc. Would it say 'solution dyed' on the back if it was? Its most probably not a SDN. Its a big trend for most stores to be pushing SDN's these days. There are some very good ones, and some pretty average. It depends on the carpet specs, and what treatments are applied (among other things). There can be a lot of variation in SDN yarns. The only thing that is better about SDN's than other nylons is they are more resistant to fading and colour loss generally. Unless that is an important feature to you, most other nylons are as good or better. Ash. Re: Redbook Total Carpet 6May 28, 2010 10:25 pm Felistopher, The Total range is definitely a standard, or white, nylon and is NOT solution dyed. As Ash has said the SDN is pushed pretty hard by some retailers as it gives them som extra selling points but SDN products are generally coarser, and have less colours to go with. I have been in the game for over 20 years and have a standard nylon in my theatre and bedrooms. The fade resistance of an SDN will make 0 difference in these areas as the are usually well protected from the sun by window furnishings, and I prefer the softer feel and colour selection of stadnard nylon products. The Total range has excellent stain protection, and with proper care, will perform for you for a long time. If you like the Total product, there is no reason why you shouldn't buy it for your home. Scott Re: Redbook Total Carpet 7May 28, 2010 10:34 pm Thanks so much to both of you for your replies! Hugely helpful. Our carpeted areas won't be getting much direct light so fading is not really a concern. I feel pretty confident about going with the nylon twist now, although since visiting the house with our Redbook sample and a Godfrey Hirst sample this morning, we think the GH carpet is the better colour. Thanks again for the advice and reassurance Re: Redbook Total Carpet 9May 29, 2010 1:16 am Agree with Scott B. We were tempted to get SDN before, but the nylon from the Total range appears to be a better quality. The carpet guy showed us water spilled on both, and the Redbook Total carpet does not absorb water due to its stain protection while the SDN absorbs straight away. Re: Redbook Total Carpet 10May 29, 2010 1:06 pm Mrslin, While the Total range is a good choice, don't be swayed by salesperson 'tricks'. The water test you described is a perfect example. If you are looking at good quality SDN products, then they should have been treated with a stain protection chemical which would give you the same result as the water test as the Total. There are only a few SDN products from some manufacturers that aren't treated, which gives you the result you experienced, but not all SDN's are that way. As I said before, the Total range would be fine for your home, and feel confident in your selection. Scott Re: Redbook Total Carpet 11May 29, 2010 1:33 pm Yes, but also the water repellency demo is not a conclusive test. Yarn density plays a big role here too. I could show you a high quality dense wool carpet (that IS very absorbent) repelling water too. The point is, carpets with protective treatments can still allow liquid spills to soak into the carpet, (even though the stain resistance IS working) as liquid may still get down between the yarns. Initial water repellency will allow you to blot most liquid up before it soaks in, but don't think because liquid soaks soak in that the carpet is not performing well. Ash. Re: Redbook Total Carpet 12May 31, 2010 10:16 pm The beading on the surface actually relates to the atomic behaviour of the yarn. The total product is treated with a negative ion treatment causing the attraction between foreign items (spills) to be greater than otherwise. This causes the spill to attract itself to itself (does that make sense haha ) so it doesn't go down into the carpet. The ion treatment kind of makes the fibre negatively charged which forces spills to bond to one another, not the carpet - which is why it beads. That carpet floats. I sat in a science lab at watched the tests a few years ago prior to it's launch. I am not 100% but I think it's called r2x by Shaws in the States. Re: Redbook Total Carpet 13May 31, 2010 10:19 pm And yes Ash you are right. The new Smartstrand has greater stain resistance than total, BUT you can spill water on it and it doesn't bead, it goes in. Just wanted to explain the negative ion treatment. If I didn't see it first hand I wouldn't have believed it. Re: Redbook Total Carpet 14May 31, 2010 11:42 pm royalblue One thing... the Redbook Total has 'Ultrabac' backing instead of jute. This is a relatively new type of backing material. It looks good and certainly has some benefits. But some layers find it a bit strange to lay, as it has a lot of stretch. Being fairly new, it may present some issues with the installation. But as long as the layers are experienced and conform to the Redbook installation procedures, it should be fine. I was called in this morning to clean a bedroom carpet that the customers' 21 y/old son spewed up all over it. It was the same carpet as described in this thread, just 6 months old. It cleaned up perfectly with little effort, so no probs there. But they had an offcut of the carpet bound next to the bed. It was all buckled and distorted as they kept a bed leg on one part of it. My point here is the Ultrabac synthetic secondary backing has strengths and weaknesses. Its good because it is not absorbent so won't hold stains in the backing. But as a loose piece of carpet, it will readily become distorted and lose shape, much more so than the jute backed carpets. So I must emphasize that these carpets with Ultrabac MUST be power-stretched as per manufacturers instructions. They have different characteristics to jute backed carpets, and layers must take these into consideration. With lots of stretch, its important to take out a lot of this in a uniform manner, so the carpet has tight and even tension. If they don't, the carpet may buckle and ruck quite readily. Redbook do have some ranges of carpets that have jute backings too. 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