Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 21Oct 08, 2007 4:30 pm Hey Cookiemonster, dorry to hijack, but same boat here too, living with parents, 4 adults and 2 kids, 3 bedroom, 16 sq home... No peace and definitely no privacy...
I like long showers and baths and relaxing with a good movie - FAT chance here. Contract signing this week or so, hopefully not too long a wait until the building starts. 12 months, man i do know how you are going to stand it living there for that long. It will make the pleasure of moving in sooooooooo sweet!!!!!!! Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 22Oct 08, 2007 4:38 pm lol....
me too! 2 1/2 kids + 2/12 adults in a 3 bedroom home. 6 months in and counting!! Matt I have reverted to username - mattwalker Carlisle Homes - Grande 43 My building experience is here: http://www.ourgrandeplan.blogspot.com Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 23Oct 08, 2007 7:06 pm Haha.. classic. What a sorry bunch we are! Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 24Oct 08, 2007 7:54 pm Yeh, but saving BIG $$$$$.... so that makes it a bit more bearable....
NO MORTGAGE!!!!! (Shouldn't last long as we will hopefully commence building in a month -hopefully) Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 25Oct 20, 2007 6:52 pm Hi -
I was going to buy my floating floor from Ebay, but ended up deciding on a solid overlay instead. The one I decided on was this... http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Timber-Flooring- ... dZViewItem You can actually visit this guy at Pipeworks market (are you in Vic?) and check out the flooring. He quoted me $38 psm and the product looked great. I ended up buying Blackbutt overlay, and laid a 3ml plywood underneath, and glued the planks to the plywood. So far so good. Can anyone recommend a cheap but quality sander/polisher in Melbourne? Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 26Oct 21, 2007 9:18 pm Are you talking about 12mm solid overlay flooring? Its meant to be secret-nailed to the floor, as well as glued. Did you go over concrete or joists?? 3mm is way too thin for a substrate. Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 27Oct 21, 2007 10:03 pm I used 14 ml solid overlay. We nailed the 3ml plywood to the concrete (using concrete nails), then glued the overlay to the plywood.
Does this seem a bad way of doing it? I hope not - it's done! Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 28Oct 21, 2007 10:20 pm Mel_jade I used 14 ml solid overlay. We nailed the 3ml plywood to the concrete (using concrete nails), then glued the overlay to the plywood. Does this seem a bad way of doing it? I hope not - it's done! I don't know if it's technically good, but I like it. With a total height of 17 mm it would closely match that of carpet (both if you have it elsewhere in the house or change some of the flooring to carpet later on). Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 29Oct 22, 2007 10:01 am Hey we are getting Kempas flooring!! (130m2)
Hope it looks as good as those pics on ebay!! Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 30Oct 22, 2007 10:38 am You won't regreat the kempas flooring from Ebay (if it's the same one that I sent the link for).
I saw the product and it's lovely - really glossy and easy to lay. Kevin is really helpful too. My flooring worked out well - ended up being the same level as the rest of the house which is on stumps. Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 31Oct 22, 2007 8:53 pm Mel_jade I used 14 ml solid overlay. We nailed the 3ml plywood to the concrete (using concrete nails), then glued the overlay to the plywood. Does this seem a bad way of doing it? I hope not - it's done! I hope you used a moisture-barrier between the ply and the concrete or you will have big problems. That being said its been laid in a fairly bad way. What glue did you use?? We generally recommend 12mm ply as a minimum thickness as the overlay flooring is best 'secret-nailed' to the ply as well as the adhesive. The ply is generally nylon-plugged or screwed to the concrete over a layer of plastic to stop moisture from the concrete getting into your timber. Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 32Oct 22, 2007 9:17 pm The concrete slab was laid over 50 years ago and most of it is also covered by vinyl tiles. Shouldn't this be enough to prevent the moisture? I used Bostik timber flooring adhesive ($150 per drum).
What problems do you anticipate based on this? Eek! Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 33Oct 22, 2007 10:01 pm Dukekamaya Mel_jade I used 14 ml solid overlay. We nailed the 3ml plywood to the concrete (using concrete nails), then glued the overlay to the plywood. Does this seem a bad way of doing it? I hope not - it's done! I hope you used a moisture-barrier between the ply and the concrete or you will have big problems. That being said its been laid in a fairly bad way. What glue did you use?? We generally recommend 12mm ply as a minimum thickness as the overlay flooring is best 'secret-nailed' to the ply as well as the adhesive. The ply is generally nylon-plugged or screwed to the concrete over a layer of plastic to stop moisture from the concrete getting into your timber. Dukekamaya, With the nylon-plugged or screwed ply to the concrete slab, is there a problem if using hydronic heating. That is, if there is hydronic heating pipes in the slab, would the screws extend far enough to cause a problem. I like the idea of hydronic heating and floorboards, but I'm not sure if the screws into the slab cause a conflict. Also, I've got carpet planned for other areas. I guess I will need to bring all floors up to the level of 12 mm ply + timber flooring height. Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 34Oct 23, 2007 7:45 pm Mel_jade The concrete slab was laid over 50 years ago and most of it is also covered by vinyl tiles. Shouldn't this be enough to prevent the moisture? I used Bostik timber flooring adhesive ($150 per drum). What problems do you anticipate based on this? Eek! The age of the concrete doesn't really matter - its porous. The vinyl tiles will help some, I hope the adhesive between them and the concrete doesn't cause problems - there are still plenty of gaps between tiles for moisture penetration too. You used proper flooring adhesive which is good, it is exspensive yes, I used three drums ( plus secret-nailing) on my 19mm solid timber floor which went over particle board. Worst case scenario would be lifting ply and/or boards - best case will be nothing goes wrong. Time will tell. Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 35Oct 23, 2007 7:49 pm Casa, I think you would need to talk to the experts who laid the in slab pipes. I'm not too familiar with the way they are fitted. Make sure there isn't going to be a problem with the plastic moisture-barrier. Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 37Nov 13, 2007 1:50 pm Hi Luke,
Going back to a comment you made earlier in this thread: That being said you hardly ever see people putting something down like Tassie Oak ( or the species that make it up) on a floor as its such a soft hardwood. We are looking to lay floorboards in our new house - direct stick to slab, probably with Boral slimwood product. The place where we looked at purchasing recommended that because my hubby would be DIY (he works for a builder) to stick with with of the Oaks (either Tassie or European) or Birch along with Jarrah & a couple of others I can't recall. He was suggesting these as they are less "volotile" species therefor easier to lay. Would you recommend that we not use the Tassie Oak?? I liked the look of Blackbutt, but was happy to compromise to have a flooring that was going to lay better. Do you have any other suggestions for a timber that is going to be OK to lay for a DIY job?? Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 38Nov 13, 2007 8:49 pm Are you using this new flooring adhesive with the 'built-in' moisture barrier? What is the product name?
Tassie Oak is not an actual species of Oak, it is a trade name for a mix of blonde Australian eucylpts. One type of species generally isn't easier or more difficult to lay than another. Wide boards eg.130x19 can be a bit more difficult over say 80x19 boards in regards to bowed boards - the narrower boards will pull in straight easier. Jarrah is about the same hardness from memory as Blackbutt - I really don't know what this sales guy means by 'volatile' - it sounds like something a carpet salesman who knows little about timber might say. I say go for the timber you like the look of best - laying is all hard work. Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 39Nov 13, 2007 9:37 pm Company we spoke to deal mainly with timber flooring.
The product we are looking at is Boral slimwood overlay flooring system 12mm and will be direct stick to slab. Not sure of brand of adhasive but were quoted $150 per drum. Moisture barrier was separate - $400 for 20Lt x2 for area we need it for. Thanks, Jo Re: Pre-finished hardwood floor vs pre-finished timber floating 40Nov 14, 2007 6:57 am You will need to ensure your slab is perfectly level if your doing it that way. Most people generally use hardwood battens or sheet flooring over the slab and then fix the flooring to it. Hi All. I'm currently resurfacing the hardwood floors and when removing the old layers that there's a long dark line running across the boards. Does anyone know what or… 0 12770 Thanks Simon, I guess I'm no concerned with the volume of the noise rather that dead and hollow sound and feel that is associated with floating floors. But I'm not sure… 3 6141 Thanks, that's the motivation I needed to give it a try sooner rather than one day! 4 3002 |