Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering 1 Feb 23, 2010 1:00 pm Hi People, We've set our eyes on a Godfreyhirst made carpet (that they're branding for Carpet Right as Harmony).. Its an Extra Heavy Duty (5 stars) Solution Dyed Nylon (straton nylon) with a commercial rating of Light (1 star).. its in a cut-twist-pile We're looking to carpet our full 1st floor (4 bedrooms + sitting), stairs and downstairs in lounge, media and family only. Hallways/kitchen/dining is tiles .. We're being offered the Bridgestone Gold underlay. After reading these forums and the constant advice of using Bridgestone Prime, I have a couple of simple questions .. Prime is basically a commercial grade underlay, which obviously means a better wearing .. but the advice we've got from sales reps is that we don't need it for the carpet we've chosen as its not a super heavy carpet .. secondly the supa blue is also too thick for our carpet .. thirdly, We can't afford to upgrade to prime or supa blue as it blows us out a bit ($600 extra to go to blue) .. (is that true that blue is 14 more per linear meter??) .. So what i wanted to ask was if we should stick with Bridgestone Gold or push the supplier into give us Dunlop Springtred Extra .. As with many, this one deals with rubber underlay and is pushing for us to stick to Gold .. but i can demand foam if i think it'll be worth for the carpet .. Which one do you think will fare better? Thanks --- I don't have a signature - just this sentence saying that I don't have one - that'll do! Re: Underlay requirement for SDN Extra Heavy Duty Carpet 2Feb 23, 2010 2:23 pm **SIGH** Gold is a fairly basic underlay. The only Bridgestone rubber I'd recommend is Prime. If its outside your budget, go for Dunlop Excellay. If the retailer you are dealing with is not willing to help with these better selections, shop around. Ash. Re: Underlay requirement for SDN Extra Heavy Duty Carpet 3Feb 23, 2010 2:51 pm Sigh for sure Royalblue! I'll ask Mr Right to find out the cost, couldn't get through to him .. Any ideas if Excellay will be dearer than Extra? I believe Excellay again is a Commercial grade underlay .. and what does the mesh layer help do? Thanks! --- I don't have a signature - just this sentence saying that I don't have one - that'll do! Re: Underlay requirement for SDN Extra Heavy Duty Carpet 4Feb 23, 2010 6:34 pm If you tell them you want it prime or you will walk, they will give it to you. We are talking small potatoes (at cost level) to go from gold to prime. Feb is quite. They would be silly go say no. If they won't, I know people who will match their price and put it on prime for you at no extra charge (a far far bigger company than the people you are dealing with). Good luck. Re: Underlay requirement for SDN Extra Heavy Duty Carpet 5Feb 23, 2010 9:07 pm Well, we have a deal .. For about $100 more he gave us the Dunlop Excellay .. We're pretty happy with all the haggling .. Started at $175/lm and bagged it at $145/lm plus $100 for the Dunlop Excellay .. Yeah i could sense no one of the 3 carpet places we shortlisted were willing to let go .. but we just liked this carpet at this one better than at other places .. i think we'll still be happy with the foam (over prime) as we wanted a bit of insulation (both thermal and sound) between our floors .. not sure how prime would have performed there, maybe same! Thanks for the quick advice and helping us conclude our decision CHEERS! --- I don't have a signature - just this sentence saying that I don't have one - that'll do! Re: Underlay requirement for SDN Extra Heavy Duty Carpet 6Feb 23, 2010 9:34 pm In an ideal world, all carpet is better laid on commercial underlay. But the cost factor can influence some consumers. But don't dismiss some of the lesser grade [ domestic ] underlays. They are still OK, but just not the best. The Gold rubber is just a thicker version of the basic black one, and is pretty ordinary. I do agree with the salesperson to some extent, in that commercial U/L is not essential, even though some people recommend that it is the only U/L to use. If you can get a lot better U/L to seal the deal, go for it. But don't get a fixation that you must have commercial U/L. If the carpet is properly power-stretched, and the seams sealed, you should not have problems with domestic installation with the thicker grade domestic U/Ls. The Industry does have a lot of Knee-kicker cowboys, so insure that the layer has used a stretcher all the time on all his work, and not just a cowboy who is going to put a show on for you, as he may not use it all the time. I would be questioning the Salesperson on the quality of the laying etc, as this is a bigger factor than just the U/L alone. Re: Underlay requirement for SDN Extra Heavy Duty Carpet 7Feb 24, 2010 1:21 pm Feel relieved to read Mark's post. We did end up getting a commercial grade underlay and I guess the "under foot" experience does not necessarily translate into a long term good underlay .. so compromising a bit on the softness for a longer life .. Hopefully our linear meter measure will be lesser than required so we'll save a few $$ more there .. The stairs were included, but not sure if bull-nose stairs are extra? .. I think we have bull-nose stairs .. hmmm! --- I don't have a signature - just this sentence saying that I don't have one - that'll do! 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