
Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering 1 Jul 10, 2007 8:21 pm we are thinking of polished porcelain tiles in the Kitchen (right thru from entry onwards till dining room which is after the kitchen) I was wondering if this is a good option... will they crack if a knife is dropped? How do they handle everyday wear and tear. Am I better off going with vinyls or timber?
![]() Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 2Jul 10, 2007 8:38 pm All tiles will chip after time, and if you drop the wrong thing on them….then bound to.
I would be more concerned about the safety issue from using such a slippery tile in a well used space…..the kitchen. My girl friend slip on her nice shiny tiles and broke her arm, didn’t slow her down any. When she had a leak and it damaged the underfloor she had to replace the floor tiles once repairs were done. And YES, she went for the slippery ones again. She loves them….and they are caterers from their home. You will have to a little careful with them, it won’t matter what you use, all flooring surfaces can be damaged. ![]() Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 3Jul 11, 2007 1:47 am Vpande,
It's your choice! A few thoughts to consider though..... Polished porcelains have a glass like appearance when you look across them with light behind. If there is any irregularity in the floor, it will show. They must be laid very well, as any flaws will be quite conspicuous. There are stacks of porcelains arriving here from China. Some are good quality, but there are a lot of substandard ones as well. You will pay top $$$ for good consistent quality porcelains. The polished finish is achieved after firing by honing the surface flat. This means the surface is normally NOT stain resistant, so there are further costs after laying if you want optimum performance from your floor. The tiles normally are packaged with a wax coating on them for a few reasons. After laying, this coating needs to be professionally removed, and the tiles need to have a quality sealer applied. Again, I recommend professional application of a suitable sealer. The better porcelain tiles will have machined edges with a fine bevel. They should have narrow grout-joints of about 2-3mm. Grout should be a non-sanded type. The best grout is epoxy grout. If your tiler is not happy to use epoxy grout, choose another tiler. So, for a really well performing polished porcelain floor, you'll need a big cheque book for; Fine quality tiles A quality experienced layer Epoxy grout Professional clean up Quality sealer like Aquamix Ultra-solv. Professional application of sealer. You can cut corners and costs, but then you've gotta live with it! Do it right and you have a beautiful exotic hard floor that will perform well if its properly cared for. After some years, it can scratch and the honed finish can wear and become dull. Maintenance can prevent this, but it must be a good maintenance regime. I recommend you read this technical newsletter for more info... http://www.aquamix.com.au/pdf/newslette ... r%2006.pdf Ash. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 4Jul 11, 2007 3:19 pm We have just had polished porcelain tiles laid and they look great! They are a cappacino colour in a 400x400 tile.
Our tiler did a great job. Each tile was notched to fit around the architraves perfectly. Lines are straight as a die and tight grout lines. We had practically the whole bottom floor done (including the kitchen) and it took the tiler a month to do the laying! As far as damage, the procelain tiles are a uniform colour throughout so chips do not show up as in a glazed tile. I asked both the tile supplier and the tiler about applying a sealer and both said it was not necessary, not did they recommend it. Is it something to do with the tiles I used? Shiny, light coloured tiles don't hide dirt so be prepared to sweep regularly. If any water gets on the floor, footprints immediately turn to mud, so don't wear your shoes on a wet floor. All hard floor surfaces are slippery when wet. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 5Jul 11, 2007 3:44 pm ![]() *As far as damage, the procelain tiles are a uniform colour throughout so chips do not show up as in a glazed tile. **I asked both the tile supplier and the tiler about applying a sealer and both said it was not necessary, not did they recommend it. Is it something to do with the tiles I used? Hi Bud977, *Yes, but it will still show to an extent, if the smooth polished surface is scratched or chipped. ** I find that advice highly questionable! ![]() ![]() Here's the test.............. Get a black whiteboard marker. Choose an out of the way area of your polished porcelain tile, and mark an X on the surface. After a couple of minutes, clean it off with a damp cloth. If you have any staining or 'ghosting' of the X, you DO NOT HAVE A STAIN RESISTANT SURFACE. A vitrified glazed surface of a ceramic tile will pass this test. That is, the X mark will be able to be cleaned off, the same as from glass. The link I posted to the Aquamix site explains why this is the case. Ash. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 6Aug 11, 2007 3:13 pm Hi Bud997,
While floor surfaces can be slippery when wet, they do not need to be. I am specialist in this area and we are making lots of kitchens - commercial and residential - anti slip. Biggest issue is that people are buying with their eyes, not with common sense. Any surface which can be wet should not have glossy porcelain tiles on the floor, otherwise they face the risk of slip and fall accidents. While people are younger a slip just hurts, but when you are 60 plus it could have devastating consequences. We are regulalrly contacted by people who have chosen glossy tiles inappropriately and need to rectify teh situation. Due to the fact that currently there is no slip resistance standard for residential areas (kitchen bathroom, laundry, entrances, etc), unless the local council has specific requirements, basically you are in the hand of your tile supplier. Majority of them are very responsible and will provide you with the correct advice and will assist you to select the correct tile, but at the end of the day it is your decision. Once its laid the options are very limited. Acid based micro etching is the most common and cost effective solution, as long as it is sealed back with a good quality penetrating sealer (does not reduce slip resistance, not only prevents staining), it can provide you with the solution for the problem. Hope this helps you to get a better understanding. Best regards, Tibor Bode Global Safe Technologies Australia Toll free: 1300 668 620 Phone: +61(0)2 9823 8840 Fax: +61(0)2 9823 8897 M: +61(0)410 415 506 email: info@globalsafe.com.au web: www.globalsafe.com.au Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 7Aug 13, 2007 8:39 pm Hi Vpande
We had porcelain tiles put in the kitchen and family room and really regret it. The light cream color is a pain to keep clean , they are slippery and the grout gets grubby really easily. Would never have them again! Eimaj Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 8Aug 13, 2007 8:48 pm ![]() Hi Vpande We had porcelain tiles put in the kitchen and family room and really regret it. The light cream color is a pain to keep clean , they are slippery and the grout gets grubby really easily. Would never have them again! Eimaj Did you have the tiles professionally sealed when they were newly laid? If so, with what type of sealer? Not all sealers are equal. It may be worth having the floor professionally cleaned and sealed, to give better performance. Looking at your maintenance program may be an idea too. Cheers! Ash. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 9Aug 14, 2007 11:54 am Thank you all for your feedback.
My thoughts are going in this direction-- 1. Slipperiness Division of zones in the Kitchen.. all messy wetstuff to be done near the sink.. A mat near the sink to handle minor drops of water. A mat near the cooktop for steadiness and to capture any cooking drops-- eg pasta fluid etc Handy to keep some paper towels/wiping cloths for inevitable spills and 'spot cleaning' as required 2. stain and dirt I am keen to get a robot vaccum cleaner for daily run thru the hallway,family and dining areas- it will capture hair and dirt from kids school clothes weekly mopping with a scrubber mop sealing of grout and tiles after installation Bud- your tiles may have been 'presealed" hence no need of sealer but I think its handy to use a sealer occassionally as it will eventually wear out.. I am noticing that with my granite benchtop. Guys, let me know your thoughts ![]() Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 10Aug 14, 2007 8:30 pm Vpande,
It may be worth some maintenance and/or restorative polishing of your granite bench top. Re: your comment about tiles being 'pre-sealed'. That is highly unlikely. There is merit is having the porcelain tiles sealed after they are laid, but BEFORE the grouting is done though. A fine quality penetrating solvent based sealer is recommended, such as Ultra-solv. Ash. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 11Aug 14, 2007 9:03 pm ![]() ![]() Hi Vpande We had porcelain tiles put in the kitchen and family room and really regret it. The light cream color is a pain to keep clean , they are slippery and the grout gets grubby really easily. Would never have them again! Eimaj Did you have the tiles professionally sealed when they were newly laid? If so, with what type of sealer? Not all sealers are equal. It may be worth having the floor professionally cleaned and sealed, to give better performance. Looking at your maintenance program may be an idea too. Cheers! Ash. Hi Ash - yep, the tiler recommended we seal the tiles after they were laid, so we got him to do it. It was called sureseal. Found out afterwards he sent his apprentice to come and do it. We also noticed patches on some of the tiles that look sort of dull, like they've been burnished. The tiler then tells us the tiles were probably not good quality (tile shop said otherwise - so we don't know) There was also a light sort of residue on them, which was hard to clean off, so we got a professional tile cleaner in to have a go. Brought up the shine, but the dull patches remain. We clean them with vinegar and hot water, and vacuum regularly,but overall we're still not happy with them. Another thing is how cold they make rooms feel. Each to their own, but I'd go with a good quality matt-finish ceramic tile any day. ![]() Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 12Aug 14, 2007 11:58 pm Eimaj,
Its hard to say for sure, but the 'burnished patches' could be a number of things. Quite likely it is grout haze. Grout haze should have been properly cleaned after the floor was installed, and before sealing and use. NOTE: VINEGAR (OR ANY ACIDS) SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR REGULAR MAINTENANCE OF TILED FLOORS! Acids may gradually erode and etch the surface of the tiles, especially the grout, making them courser and soil more readily. Its a shame when folk install a floor (any floor) and don't enjoy living with it. All the reason why doing your homework, making informed decisions about the floor's suitability and performance, and proper maintenance is so important. Ash. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 13Aug 15, 2007 12:15 am Hi Ash
Thanks - you could be right about the grout haze, as the burnishing is mostly on the corners of the tile. It was the tiler who told us to clean with vinegar. The tile-cleaner used some kind of buffing/polishing machine with his chemicals, but said vinegar was ok for us to use too. Aaaaagh! Confusion ![]() ![]() Yes we are disappointed with the floor. It was the first thing we had done, as the existing carpets were thread, and kitchen vinyl floor was foul. But we've learnt a lot more since then. It's just difficult when there's so many conflicting opinions around ![]() We'll probably look at redoing or recovering them somewhere down the track - perhaps a floating floor??? Thanks again for your help Eimaj ![]() Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 14Aug 15, 2007 12:59 am Eimaj,
Read this carefully http://www.aquamix.com.au/files/Aqua_Chat_Mar_07.pdf It IS reliable information! If you go to the newsletter page, there are other articles on things such as grout haze. The articles are mostly written by Scott Worthington, who has been in the tile industry for many years. He is a technical man, who has seen the development of porcelain tiles since their beginning. You'd be hard pressed to find a more knowledgeable person anywhere. Ash. Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 15Aug 15, 2007 9:03 am ![]() ** I find that advice highly questionable! ![]() ![]() . I got to the bottom of the tile sealing issue and found it was my beautiful wifes screw up. Yes, our tiles should be sealed and they now have been. Under intense questionioning under a bright lamp, she confessed that she asked the tile people about sealing, but misunderstood their answer. They had actually advised sealing, but she registered that as "does not need sealing". ![]() I had asked the tiler about sealing. He said it didn't need it. He was just repeating the incorrect information given to him by my wife! This seems like a game of Chinese Whispers, and the message was totally mixed up. Luckily, the information brought up on this site raised a few questions which my wife checked. Saved by Homeone again! ![]() Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 16Aug 15, 2007 10:52 pm ![]() Eimaj, Read this carefully http://www.aquamix.com.au/files/Aqua_Chat_Mar_07.pdf It IS reliable information! If you go to the newsletter page, there are other articles on things such as grout haze. The articles are mostly written by Scott Worthington, who has been in the tile industry for many years. He is a technical man, who has seen the development of porcelain tiles since their beginning. You'd be hard pressed to find a more knowledgeable person anywhere. Ash. Thanks Ash, that's great info. Wish we knew that beforehand - why is there so much misinformation around. But do you think its too late for our tiles? cheers ![]() Re: Polished porcelain tiles for kitchen floors 17Aug 16, 2007 11:14 am Eimaj,
Early signs might be grout crumbling or powdering away. People tend think that vinegar is this very benign natural product, (which it kind of is in many applications). But any acids are destructive to some extent where calcium rich tile & stone products are concerned. Industrial strength glacial acetic acid is a highly reactive chemical. A good product to use for maintenance is Aquamix concentrated tile cleaner, a neutral cleaner that doesn't leave sticky residues. Ammonia can be used in water for mopping. Microfibre cleaning systems are the best way to maintain tiled floors. Ash. 2 2592 for the same reason they dont just treat sewerage and pump it back into our water supply. Its not the same. The slurry has glues, material changes due to extreme… 3 5219 Levelling compound Ardit is the best but buy a bag of sand and make sand dam to protect your wood floor 2 1534 ![]() |