Browse Forums Flooring & Floor Covering 1 Sep 03, 2009 1:07 pm We have an appointment with our builder tonight and I want to go armed with some knowledge. I want timber floors, solid hardwood floors not engineered floors (click together stuff), the 1st builder we saw was not at all keen on us using timber floors, he told us he has too many dramas with them so we didn't go with him because there will be alot of timber flooring to go down and I need a builder that a) knows what they're doing and b) is confident using the product. So we have been talking with another builder that DH does work for and he said no problem for the timber floors, but he told DH that they would lay them down on concrete. Now I'm not sure if he is thinking engineered timber floors or that we would want concrete as hubby is a concreator or if that's how he really thinks id the best way to go about it. But I would be thinking it would be much $$$ for it to be done that way as you would have cost of concrete, cost of plywood & moisture barrier & then cost of timber. Am I right or do alot of builders do this?? I would think laying on joists would be the most cost effective, would anyone know a comparison of figures?? Thanks ____________________________ Bec ____________________________ Building our Balinese Resort Inspired Dream Home Blog ~ http://hagarshouse.blogspot.com/ Re: Concrete under timber floors 2Sep 03, 2009 4:26 pm Boral have a specific 13mm timber product for direct stick onto concrete http://www.boral.com.au/Article/Timber_Installation_Guide_-_Slimwood.asp?AUD=homeGarden_TimberFlooring. There are a few other threads in this forum about this stuff. As far as I know, prices range from about $110 - $160 per sqm fully delivered/installed depending on the choice of timber, polish/finish, complexity of the floor layout, installers markup ( ) and other factors. This includes the moisture barrier. Are you looking to compare this to carpet/tiles or to engineered timber ? I'd pay the extra $$ to use this over engineered timber (the click together stuff) any day - just walk on this compared to the laminate or engineered timber and you will see the difference + the many other benefits of a good quality Aussie hardwood including being able to sand and polish it. When compared to carpet or tiles it comes down to your design, taste and needs etc... Re: Concrete under timber floors 3Sep 03, 2009 9:27 pm Direct stick does seem to be more common in the less humid states of Vic, SA, WA compared to NSW/Qld where direct stick is a much much less common method of installation. The norm here is to go over 19mm seasoned hardwood battens or 15mm ply for 19mm T&G flooring or over 12mm ply for 12mm/13mm overlay T&G Re: Concrete under timber floors 4Sep 04, 2009 11:14 am JilaMint Boral have a specific 13mm timber product for direct stick onto concrete http://www.boral.com.au/Article/Timber_Installation_Guide_-_Slimwood.asp?AUD=homeGarden_TimberFlooring. There are a few other threads in this forum about this stuff. As far as I know, prices range from about $110 - $160 per sqm fully delivered/installed depending on the choice of timber, polish/finish, complexity of the floor layout, installers markup ( ) and other factors. This includes the moisture barrier. Are you looking to compare this to carpet/tiles or to engineered timber ? I'd pay the extra $$ to use this over engineered timber (the click together stuff) any day - just walk on this compared to the laminate or engineered timber and you will see the difference + the many other benefits of a good quality Aussie hardwood including being able to sand and polish it. When compared to carpet or tiles it comes down to your design, taste and needs etc... Thanks for all that info. No we won't be comparing to any other product not a fan of tiles (except bathrooms) or the engineered timber either and we'll only be carpeting the kids bedrooms. Well after the meeting he said we have 3 options; 1) Direct glue down on concrete slab 2) Glue some strips of timber down to nail hardwood floor too 3) Nail down floor directly onto joists Option 1 being cheapest and 3 being the most expensive so I guess I'll ask around and see what people have done and the result they got. Anyone want to share?? ____________________________ Bec ____________________________ Building our Balinese Resort Inspired Dream Home Blog ~ http://hagarshouse.blogspot.com/ Re: How r you timber floors layed * Updated another Q 5Sep 04, 2009 11:38 am We are getting overlay on our floors but ours will be over chipboard and it will cost us about $5900 for 53sqm finished. Why don't you get it done after hand over? It will probably save you money cutting out the middle man. Or do what we are doing and find your own company to do your floors and see if your builder is happy for you to get them to come in and lay it before the kitchen and skirting boards go down. Re: How r you timber floors layed * Updated another Q 6Sep 04, 2009 12:02 pm Upstairs will be done the same way you're talking about but it's downstairs that we have to make a decision on how to lay. Unfortunately we are not in a major centre or even near a major centre, we're in coastal Central QLD so we're not exactly spoilt for choice with contractors & suppliers IYKWIM. Thing is we're trying to get the builders sq mtr rate down from $1800 so this was one of his suggestions of a significant saving, so I was hoping to hear some other who have done direct glue down and how it turned out. Unfortunately hubby works away to much to do it himself ____________________________ Bec ____________________________ Building our Balinese Resort Inspired Dream Home Blog ~ http://hagarshouse.blogspot.com/ Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 7Sep 04, 2009 7:11 pm Overlay flooring can not be laid over joists, you need to use 19mm thick flooring for that application Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 8Sep 04, 2009 8:23 pm Dukekamaya Overlay flooring can not be laid over joists, you need to use 19mm thick flooring for that application Yeah I know, he did say that we'd have to go the thinner 12mm/13mm for the direct stick option, cause prior to this option we were just going the normal 19mm boards ____________________________ Bec ____________________________ Building our Balinese Resort Inspired Dream Home Blog ~ http://hagarshouse.blogspot.com/ Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 9Sep 04, 2009 8:42 pm We're in Brisbane and we have gone the direct stick timber option to our slab downstairs. We will move in in the next month or so - the flooring contractor hasn't returned to polish as yet. It seems very solid and legit and looks great. I have lived my whole life on timber floors - many sanded in qlders - and I think this will be better, if anything. Our builder has it in his own home and and it looks and feels great - we've been there (too) many times. We had no hesitation, and notwithstanding the fact we haven't moved in yet, recommend it. We chose southern oak (heres some useful stuff from our supplier http://www.nstimberflooring.com.au/tounge-and-groove-flooring.html), which is pretty hard and very light in colour. In fact, now that I think of it, our only flooring regret was that we carpeted the bedrooms rather than using it there - I had forgotten how much carpet annoys me! Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 10Sep 04, 2009 9:17 pm What species are thrown into 'Southern Oak'? The species sold under the various Oak trade names generally are soft Ash eucalypt varieties Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 11Sep 04, 2009 10:22 pm They offered tasmanian oak and victorian ash as alternatives (amongst others). They gave it the highest janka rating of their offerings - maybe it's silvertop ash or even messmate. looks like it. Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 12Sep 05, 2009 7:00 am It will more than likely be a blend. I'll have to look it up. We sell 'Southern Beech'which is a mix of yellow stringybark, silver-top ash and messmate stringybark Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 13Sep 05, 2009 6:22 pm I called today and was told that it ('southern oak' from a northern brisbane outlet) included a range of timbers including white mahogany (= yellow stringybark?), tasmanian oak and unspecified others. Re: How r your timber floors layed * Updated another Q 14Sep 05, 2009 6:38 pm White mahogany and yellow stringybark are two separate species. White mahogany is often mixed in with Tallowood decking and flooring. Tasmanian Oak itself is a blend of Alpine Ash, Mountain Ash and Messmate Stringybark. Engineering timber is certainly a less fuss option, times cheaper to supply and install and better withstands humidity. 1 15893 Hi, Apologies - I know there is plenty out there on this but struggling to put together the puzzle. We're planning our garage/external laundry to master bedroom and… 0 11098 2 4671 |