Re: FLOORING 21May 18, 2009 10:14 pm Craig, that's great you're getting closer to a descision. That product does look good, can you tell me why it is different to Karndean, is less maintenane and was it that it is already sealed? Alos do you mind if I ask what price you have been quoted for it? Thanks Re: FLOORING 22May 18, 2009 10:56 pm seriously considering Karndean... michelle - any cons that one should note about this type of flooring ? Building in Harvest Lakes, Atwell (Perth) status: design phase with builder Re: FLOORING 23May 19, 2009 4:55 pm Just called a shop then and obtained a price on the Armstrong Rhino Elements. They have quoted $65sqm fully installed onto the slab and no polishing required. We are thinking of these also now. hmmm decisions decisions Built 36sq Plantation "Retreat" on 4460m2 at Spring Mountain, Qld In Living and landscaping.. >>> ... http://retreatspring.blogspot.com Re: FLOORING 24May 19, 2009 5:40 pm championboxer seriously considering Karndean... michelle - any cons that one should note about this type of flooring ? Sorry everyone, I’ve been busy. All I can say is, you won’t be sorry. If I would use the product, then I have no problems recommending it to the next person. Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: FLOORING 25May 19, 2009 8:58 pm Hi cmt. When I spoke to the salesman I asked which vinyl was the best value for money and he said the Rhino was and that he used it in his own house. I asked him about karndean and he just said he no longer sells karndean, so I asked why and he simply repeated that he no longer sells karndean. Not exactly sure what that strange answer implied - my guess is a business relationship thing rather than quality because I haven't heard anything bad about karndean. Anyway assuming he was comparing it to 'Knight Tile' he said rhino was cheaper, had same overall thickness of 2 mm and same wear layer thickness of 0.3 mm but that the wear layer was superior because it was PUR instead of PU. I've got no idea what the difference is between PUR & PU polyurethane (been googling without luck, think I will try wolframalpha). It has same warranty period 12 yrs but main difference was that Rhino did not require sealing or strip & polish. He said once installed just sweep, vacuum or mop. The maintenance information on the Armstrong website confirms this. So far Rhino seems to be the best value option for my requirements but if anyone knows of a problem with it or if it is indeed inferior to Karndean please by all means give me a shout. He said shelf price is $75 per sq.m but that it would be quoted less depending on floor area (90 sqm for me). When I get a quote I will let you know. He also said there will be a cost for surface preparation of the slab but he didn't give a figure. He said there is always surface prep required even for new house slabs and regardless of which vinyl tile. Ozzroo, $65 a sq.m sounds good - was that priced for a particular floor area? Also, did they mention the cost for slab preparation or was that included? I'm also in SEQ - North Brisbane, do you mind if I ask which store that was? Rgds, Craig Re: FLOORING 26May 19, 2009 10:49 pm Craig, That was through Carpet One at Underwood. Just picked one at random off Armstrong QLD dealer list. I didnt mention how many metres so assuming if we went in with plans etc I reckon I could perhaps negotiate a better deal if buying some carpet also. Seemed a good price. Nathan Built 36sq Plantation "Retreat" on 4460m2 at Spring Mountain, Qld In Living and landscaping.. >>> ... http://retreatspring.blogspot.com Re: FLOORING 27May 20, 2009 12:17 pm called up a few places in WA.. they are geared more towards selling Karndean than Armstrong products... shelf price for van gogh is approx $80/sqm Building in Harvest Lakes, Atwell (Perth) status: design phase with builder Re: FLOORING 28May 20, 2009 7:32 pm Hi championboxer, $80 sqm for Van Gogh is a lot cheaper than what I was told here. At Carpet Call North Brisbane they said $120 sqm for that one. Could you advise what store(s) had it for $80 and was it fully laid or just for the tiles? I think I'll have to pull out the phone book and ring around more stores then becaue the Van Gogh is a higher grade vinyl than Knight Tile and the Rhino ones. Thanks, Craig. Re: FLOORING 29May 20, 2009 9:36 pm Hi! This thread has been very informative. I think I'm steering towards vinyl now too! Just have to get to a shop and have a look. (I'm on south side of brissie, so might head out to underwood). We were thinking Ikea tundra wood laminate previously.. but I don't like that it doesn't handle moisture very well. Young children and toilet training.. etc etc.. lol. Kristi Living the dream. 4 horsey acres in the country. What's the next project??? Re: FLOORING 30May 21, 2009 10:52 am Until reading this forum the other day I had never heard of Karndean. Then was driving down the road the other day and, lo and behold, there was the Karndean showroom! So went in to have a look. They are really good and most look very realistic. There are lots of styles other than the timber look too which I liked. They are the wholesaler but said you should be able to get it for between $39 and $70 per metre, depending what style you choose. More decisions...... Re: FLOORING 31May 21, 2009 5:50 pm Hi everyone. Good to see this thread is getting popular. Can I just say something, most people when they are building leave the flooring till last, by this time their money is getting thin, and cheaper options are bought. This is sad, if you think about it, the floor is the most used part of the home! It needs to withstand years of treatment from kids, adults and usually animals. So cheaper options are not the best way to go if you want it to last. Everyone needs to really do their homework with their flooring. Get out there and see what’s available and what best suits you and your lifestyle. It’s an expense that’s worth it. Good luck everyone with your choices Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: FLOORING 32May 21, 2009 11:27 pm I called about a dozen different stores today. I always thought franchises had the same products and prices throughout their stores or at least extremely close. Turns out that they can have totally different product ranges available and/or big price differences for the same brand. Anyway average prices were: Van Gogh $85, Knight Tile $75, Armstrong $65 Will take a closer look again at the Karndean since they are much less than what I was first told. Also, many of the sales people I spoke with today said not to get so hung up on the durability and to just get the one that looks the best. With a 0.3mm wear layer they reckon it will last plenty long enough in a house. Van Gogh with the 0.5mm layer is commonly used in commercial shops apparently. Craig. Re: FLOORING 33May 22, 2009 2:11 am Hi guys, I have noticed that vinyl planking is becoming popular. Can i just say to you guys getting prices, make sure the salesperson gives you the price for floor preperation as well as the products supplied and fitted price. Why i say this is because i have seen it time and time again, i will turn up to a job, salesperson has sold product to customer and left floor preperation up to the client. Now when i advise the client that the floor is not good enough and that i will need to apply a feather finish to the floor before i can lay the planks, which will add an extra day to installation, depending on m2 of course. They become very disheartened. When i tell them the added cost of doing the floor prep, well lets just say ive seen my fair share of people cry in utter disbelief at the extra cost. Floor prep is crucial to achieve a quality installation. Before going to get a price, check you slab out, is it smooth? are there holes or cracks that would need filling? Advise your salesperson on the condition of your floor. Unfortunately floor prep can get quite expensive. But skimping on it can make a quality product look like utter crap. Re: FLOORING 34May 22, 2009 7:46 am neorayez Hi guys, I have noticed that vinyl planking is becoming popular. Can i just say to you guys getting prices, make sure the salesperson gives you the price for floor preperation as well as the products supplied and fitted price. Why i say this is because i have seen it time and time again, i will turn up to a job, salesperson has sold product to customer and left floor preperation up to the client. Now when i advise the client that the floor is not good enough and that i will need to apply a feather finish to the floor before i can lay the planks, which will add an extra day to installation, depending on m2 of course. They become very disheartened. When i tell them the added cost of doing the floor prep, well lets just say ive seen my fair share of people cry in utter disbelief at the extra cost. Floor prep is crucial to achieve a quality installation. Before going to get a price, check you slab out, is it smooth? are there holes or cracks that would need filling? Advise your salesperson on the condition of your floor. Unfortunately floor prep can get quite expensive. But skimping on it can make a quality product look like utter crap. That’s a good point! When I worked for Carpet Court, that’s the first they would bring up, the floor prep. They always ask the customer about the floor. Then go and have a look for themselves. I find it awful to think that a flooring company would not make the customer aware of this. Internal and External Building and Colour Consultant Online - Worldwide http://www.denovoconcepts.com Re: FLOORING 35May 22, 2009 12:01 pm Quote: Also, many of the sales people I spoke with today said not to get so hung up on the durability and to just get the one that looks the best. With a 0.3mm wear layer they reckon it will last plenty long enough in a house. Van Gogh with the 0.5mm layer is commonly used in commercial shops apparently. So the Knight Tile would be a suitable option then for most homes? I feel so cheap picking the cheaper alternative... Also I'm looking for at possibly Warm Oak, American Oak or Walnut - I live in a small country town so the local(2 hours drive away) carpet place doesn't have samples of all the colours so am having trouble picturing it. Any suggestions? Our decor is mostly white, white kitchen, benchtops, beige/browns in furniture. Thanks Re: FLOORING 36May 22, 2009 12:51 pm CrazyEyes Anyway average prices were: Van Gogh $85, Knight Tile $75, Armstrong $65 Is that a price for product only or installed? neorayez - Is it right that you need to put a 3mm layer over the slab before they are glued on? If so what is this process called? I have been told they just "level out" areas that are not flat. I don't know the condition of the slab as we have been in our established home for 13yrs since we built. Quote: Also I'm looking for at possibly Warm Oak, American Oak or Walnut - I live in a small country town so the local(2 hours drive away) carpet place doesn't have samples of all the colours so am having trouble picturing it. Any suggestions? Our decor is mostly white, white kitchen, benchtops, beige/browns in furniture. If you go onto the Karndean website, you can order samples for free and they arrive in a few days. http://www.karndean.com.au Re: FLOORING 37May 22, 2009 6:59 pm cmt it depends on the condition of your slab. Most new houses have quite a smooth slab, so i would just do a 1mm featheredge finish. An older slab like yours may need a 3mm coat, it is very hard to tell untill i have seen the floor. A good way to check would be to get a 1 meter straight edge and sit it on the floor, if you see gaps under the straight edge of more than 2/3 mm than more than likely you will need the thicker screed coat. This is to Australian standards, Well it was when i did my apprenticeship many years ago. The process of "fixing" the floor is called screeding. Generally, if i have to level out areas than i will do this with a cement compound like k15, or rapid set, then i will apply a finishing coat called fetheredge. A good floorcoverer will almost certainly featheredge a floor before laying planks. There are alternatives, like sanding or grinding floors, but this involves a lot of dust so becomes a messy process for people when living in their homes. Re: FLOORING 38May 22, 2009 9:46 pm cmt, those prices include installation but they do not include the surface prep as neorayez mentioned. neorayez, thanks very much for your advice. Similar to Michelle most sales people have been up front about the additional cost of surface preparation and said they would get their installer to inspect the slab to give a full quote which included surface prep. I did ask them for a rough estimate of the usual cost of surface prep for a new house slab and answers ranged from $6 sqm to $12 sqm. Do these figures sound ball park? Something else which strongly confirmed your excellent advice was a point made by one salesman. He said be careful about simply getting the cheapest product quote because some stores may give a low price on the product but then give a higher price for the surface prep. So only way to truly compare them is to get fully costed quotes. Re: FLOORING 39May 23, 2009 1:08 pm $6 to $12 a m2 sounds about right. I personally charge $6 a m2 for a 1-2 mm coat, if i have to do a second coat than i will normally negotiate a set price for the whole job rather than double charge. ie - 90m2 @ $6 m2 = $540 plus gst. if i were to do it twice i would get client to pay for material, and say $700 cash or if they require tax invoices $800 plus gst and i will supply material. Now these arn't concrete figures, excuse the pun! Everything is determined by the condition of your slab. Talk to your installers, youll find they will be very negotiable, and as a 'tradey' myself, cash will always get you a better deal. Re: FLOORING 40May 24, 2009 7:23 pm What luck that everyone is chatting about vinyl flooring, as I came onto the forum to ask what the general consensus was. I went this afternoon and had a good look at the flooring, but was offered a cheaper version called Winston. At a recent homeshow here in Perth, Karndean was displayed on a few stalls, and looked excellent and very real and "wood-like" We have such a mindset against vinyl as the old stuff didn't look so great after a while, that it makes one a little anxious to go this route. However, I have been really impressed by what I have seen, so will watch this thread with interest (espcially with Michelle giving it thumbs up !) Built the Driftwood with C*ollier Homes Moved in 8 November 2009 Slowly getting organised ..... 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6191 Engineering timber is certainly a less fuss option, times cheaper to supply and install and better withstands humidity. 1 15907 Hi there, I'm a conplete newbie to this, but I'm looking to put a floor down in my 6x9m shed. It's currently sitting on a 100mm thick concrete perimeter (dirt floor… 0 6467 |