Browse Forums Pools & Spas 1 May 14, 2012 11:31 pm Ok, so I have been in the trade of selling, manufacturing, importing, installing and supplying glass pool fencing for over 6 years. I am in the process of building a new house, and have come across so many helpful posts, helpful people and great sound advice, that I would like to give back and offer my services of any Q&A that anyone looking to DIY or pro install Glass Pool fencing. New, existing, replacement, reno, doesnt matter... If you have a questions, as simple or as complex, I hope to be able to put you rmind to rest by answering here free of charge, and as quickly as I can.... if there is any way I can help I will... so, I'll leave it to you all, let me know... regards, Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 2May 24, 2012 8:19 pm i have a few questions, you can pm the answers if not wanting to post any info. i am looking for a good supplier & installer for frameless glass in sydney. who good to deal with whos not. are the magna style hinges the only locking system to have. and an average price per metre. thanks. Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 3May 24, 2012 9:19 pm mdswat i have a few questions, you can pm the answers if not wanting to post any info. i am looking for a good supplier & installer for frameless glass in sydney. who good to deal with whos not. are the magna style hinges the only locking system to have. and an average price per metre. thanks. hi there, im in melbourne and although we supply quite a lot to sydney, i cannot personally recommend any installers as I have not seen their work first hand. magna hinges are not locking devices, they are hinges.... the magna latch is the only one of it's type that can be legally sold in australia. D&D technologies own and hold the patient on the design.... the hinges are a different story all together.... but the magnetic latch is owned and supplied by D&D and yes it is the best and yes it is the only one legally allowed to be sold in australia. It can be mounted onto any style of stainless backing plates..... average price per lineal meter depends on alot, but 380-400 is a pretty good guide supplied and installed.... Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 4Jun 04, 2012 9:44 pm We went to the HIA home show in Sydney on the weekend, we were quoted between $600-$1200 l/m, for frameless glass, would be interested if anyone has found it for around the $400 mark, going to need it in about 4-6weeks! Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 6Jun 04, 2012 10:40 pm We have 8m along our alfresco with a 300x300 brick pillar at either end and half way, one gate along that length, and another 2.5m length with gate, plus from edge of alfresco to back fence about 7m not sure whether we will do that with glass or something a little cheaper Alfresco is currently concrete but will be laying travertine This is a drawing from pool guy, have a gate on the left hand side as well. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 9Jun 14, 2012 7:24 pm Tengals, nice one. I have a question... I have a a mate who has built a villa in Bali and sourced his glass from Indonesia. I plan on bringing in a quantity of 12mm tempered made to my specs. Will I have a problem with our certifier regarding au/nz standards? Its going to save me a mint as we have about 70m of balustrading to complete. The indoensian supplier has assured me that it meets our standards but would love to hear your thoughts. Jason Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 10Jun 16, 2012 8:48 am hi there jason, ok it can be done, but i see a few problem arising from your order..... firstly glass is not really secure to ship it LCL (less than container load) or cost effective....., a well packed 20"FCL (full container load) will ship around 400-500lm of 12mm glass.... make sure they hold the CSI AS/NZS correct standard and that the certification is CURRENT and not lapsed.... make sure they know what correct details to etch into the glass corner (APASS mark etc) what do you propose to do if you fins the shipment is not upto standard, ie- scratched, chipped, bowed etc? what are the payment terms TT etc? can be risky if it's only 70LM you are after where are you located? PM me the sizes you need and the total landed cost you have worked out (inc duties, local cartage, shipping, fee's, GST) in AUD and Im sure I can help you out. We do custom ordering stuff all the time.... We also import our glass, just about everyone does these days in our industry...... It can be done, but we have made some big mistakes on the way in our quest for quality and reliable sources.... Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 11Jun 19, 2012 11:07 am Tengals, Is there mush difference between locally manufactured glass and Chinese imported. 1. Visual: Tint, transparencey, uniformity 2. Tolernace: Panel size and squareness I need 20l/m fully frameless so there is a noticeable difference in project cost, however I am undergoing a high qulity project and the fence should reflect this. Any expereices / thoughts? John Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 12Jun 19, 2012 12:14 pm Hi there, we have used both.......... its a good and valid question.... I have seen some bad imported toughened panels, and I have seen some bad local toughened panels..... There would be very little visual difference between good quality imported panels and local cut and toughened panels, if the hardware being used was of good quality and standard. the cost savings would far outweigh the minor/if any benefit of local cut and toughened glass for THIS fencing application. tint - iron content, again good quality imported/raw material is essential. tolerance- next to nothing - not an issue. sqaureness not an issue, 2 common issues found with imported glass (have also seen with local glass) is 1. BOWING, if the furnace has not been calibrated or the sheet incorrectly loaded during the toughening process, then bowing moreso the longer panels can become an issue. 2. uniformity, common with imported glass that the surface looking at some angles can appear "wavy", again i have seen this with local glass also. of course making sure that the glass is toughened to australian standards is a must. it all comes down to dollars and cents, but personally 99.9% of the public people would never be able to tell or notice any visual difference between GOOD QUALITY imported toughened glass and local glass..... most people in the "trade" would guess the 2 apart, but not always.... Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 17Oct 24, 2012 8:45 am Hi tengals, I am in Perth and I know you are in Melbourne but hoping you can point me in the right direction. I have had 2 quotes for Pool fencing that vary wildly. (By 2 thousand dollars for a 6m run of glass) I am after Good quality gear as this is our 20 year house so want it to last, but I dont want to get ripped off in the process. I am after approx 6 metres of Frameless Glass and 5 metres of traditional steel Pool fencing to be installed. Both the Glass and Steel fence will require gates. Each quote I have tells me "we have the best gear" blah blah but it's very hard to compare products. I understand Spigot quality can vary wildly but how can I compare them? Some seem to be custom made so brand names don't even count. What should I look for? Any advice you could give in helping me narrow down my decision would be greatly appreciated. So looking for a bit of a guide to, Questions to ask, things to be wary of. Personally I dont care if it is local or imported glass (though one supplier who quoted will only use Local) Thanks....Rob Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 18Oct 24, 2012 9:58 am docker_rob Hi tengals, I am in Perth and I know you are in Melbourne but hoping you can point me in the right direction. I have had 2 quotes for Pool fencing that vary wildly. (By 2 thousand dollars for a 6m run of glass) I am after Good quality gear as this is our 20 year house so want it to last, but I dont want to get ripped off in the process. I am after approx 6 metres of Frameless Glass and 5 metres of traditional steel Pool fencing to be installed. Both the Glass and Steel fence will require gates. Each quote I have tells me "we have the best gear" blah blah but it's very hard to compare products. I understand Spigot quality can vary wildly but how can I compare them? Some seem to be custom made so brand names don't even count. What should I look for? Any advice you could give in helping me narrow down my decision would be greatly appreciated. So looking for a bit of a guide to, Questions to ask, things to be wary of. Personally I dont care if it is local or imported glass (though one supplier who quoted will only use Local) Thanks....Rob hi rob, some great questions there and I can understand your position..... There are really 3 factors that need to be considered here, assuming firstly that both options are legit and compliant installs and installers. If thats the case and the job is compliant and completed by experienced installers then, 1. Quality of the job/install 2. Quality of the Glass 3. Quality of the hardware/spigots So, the first point. How good will the install be? I have seen some shockers and some great jobs. How important is it to you that it looks spot on, or is near enough good enough. Example would to be to ask the installer over the 6mt run of glass, what sort of tolerances can you expect to see by eye and by level? the second point regarding the glass. Imported or local. I can tell you this, MOST of the glass used in pre cut and toughened pool fencing and balustrade these days is all imported from asia. You wouldnt believe how many times I have heard fencers tell people we use local cut glass thats why our we are not budget cheap etc, and what do you know most of the glass if not all used in the job was imported glass...... There is nothing wrong with good quality imported glass that is toughened to australian standards and sold through a decent reputable fencing importer or similar. How to tell? Have a look by eye at the sheet/panel. does it bow?, have a look at various angles at the surface, does it shimmer/wave? how much? Have a look at the polished edges are they clean? what about the corners? Have a look overall for nicks, scratches etc......and of course make sure it is supplied with correct apass mark on the glass and current dated glazing certification. the third point. The hardware. I assume you are referring to stainless steel spigots, hinges and lathes and make the assumption you are NOT buying aluminium hardware at all. So, stainless. Yes there are very big differences. Basically all this stainless hardware is coming out of china. The quality/grade of the raw material can vary alot and often it is difficult if not impossible for an end user to tell by eye. You need to get the material tested to reassure yourself that the material is in fact a high grade/quality stainless steel. Which is not always feasible to do. The most common issue with the stainless hardware is the whole "rusting" issue. This is generally caused by the iron content in the steel or contaminated raw material or during the manufacturing process. Basically it almost always comes down to inferior grade stainless steel trying to be passed off as a higher grade. Sometimes even the distributor selling to you might be unaware of the issue as the materials report given to them from overseas is in-fact forged/fake. It is all too common. Hell, it has even happened to us before. A few things you can do yourself. Firstly, make sure a magnet wont stick to the hardware LOL. Have a good look at the hardware, how good do the welds look, the corners/edging etc? The weight should be in the 2.2-2.8kg mark per spigot. Is it a cast spigot or machined bar? ask the question. Even good quality stainless steel can "tea stain" which requires ongoing attention. If you want to reduce the chance of "tea staining" go for polished finish hardware, as it resists tea staining better than a satin finish. Cast spigots/hardware are slightly cheaper to produce than raw machined bar spigots/hardware. You will find most manufacturers selling crap material will coat a protective clear coating on the stainless steel to prolong the evidence of the inferior material, defeating the purpose of the self repairing properties of stainless steel barriers. Ask the supplier if their stainless has a coating on it? Basically push the supplier to warrant against any rust issue of the hardware. And regardless I would always recommend a stainless steel protective system for any stainless product in an exterior application. The other contributing factor to the price/hardware can also be the style of hinge used for your glass gates. A damper/hydraulic hinge will add approx 400-500 onto the price of the gate, over a standard spring/tension hinge. Sorry I know it's alot to take in at once, but it is a complex question. In a nutshell, you need to ask the supplier to justify why their product is so good. If they can satisfy you with their explanations and answers, then make sure they are willing to back that up! good luck, any other questions let me know. Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 19Oct 27, 2012 6:47 am tengals Is it a cast spigot or machined bar? ask the question. Cast spigots/hardware are slightly cheaper to produce than raw machined bar spigots/hardware.. The other contributing factor to the price/hardware can also be the style of hinge used for your glass gates. A damper/hydraulic hinge will add approx 400-500 onto the price of the gate, over a standard spring/tension hinge. thanks for taking the time to post all that. Very good points. Couple of things I'd like to clear up though from your post Cast or Machined Spigots - So Is machined a lot better / stronger? If so what type of extra cost would it add over a cast Spigot (each spigot) Same with the Gate closer, Are Hydraulic hinges worth the extra cost in your opinion? Should / do they last longer or work better once installed? thanks again https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=44762 My Owner builder journey extending a 1930's Bungalow Re: Glass Pool Fencing Thread - ask your questions here 20Oct 27, 2012 8:14 am hi, machined bar is not necessarily stronger, but it is less likely to become contaminated during the manufacturing process of the spigot. It also requires more time machining the various profiles. the price difference is not alot maybe 10-15% more. hydraulic hinges are worth it if you can afford it. They make the gates soft close without slamming. Will they last longer? not necessarily. but they will stop slamming. There really are only 3-4 brands of hydraulic hinges available in australia on the market. I cannot mention brands here, but 2 of them have known problems. The other 2 seem to be fine, barr the normal return/faults. 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