Browse Forums Kitchen Splashbacks Re: splashback or window 22Feb 28, 2009 9:54 pm Southies Maybe it'll be worthwhile contacting the suppliers of those products. Do you think they'd give me a straight-up answer ? I am pretty sure the rules are as I said. Otherwise how can the window pass with its plastic wedge. Products are tested to withstand fire, a plastic film on glass which itself is held in place by a plastic wedge is not a fire risk. The film suppliers will not be able to help. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: splashback or window 23Mar 01, 2009 8:42 am Incidentally - a glass splashback is much closer to a hob than a window. And a glass splashback is coated in plastic paint.
Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: splashback or window 24Mar 01, 2009 9:03 am According to AS 5601 Clause 5.12.1.2
The rule is minimum 200mm to the rear most burner for any flammable material (and we have not ascertained that the film is "flammable"), which with a window will be easily achieved. Ed http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/Portals/0/Gas ... rances.pdf "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: splashback or window 25Mar 01, 2009 9:15 am Isn't a window just a see through glass splashback? A splashback with a view! 'A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world.' Louis Pasteur Vegie garden: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27637&start=0 My Backyard Adventure Re: splashback or window 26Mar 01, 2009 11:48 am lisanne Isn't a window just a see through glass splashback? A splashback with a view! Not much of a view if it's obscure... and it's about 120mm - 150mm further back into the wall. "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: splashback or window 27Mar 01, 2009 12:24 pm ed @ EcoClassic lisanne Isn't a window just a see through glass splashback? A splashback with a view! Not much of a view if it's obscure... and it's about 120mm - 150mm further back into the wall. If you want to focus on a negative, go for it, but It's still a view outside and lets in natural light - all a bonus in my books. You could put some nice planter boxes on the window sill or hang some plants off the fence - I would choose a window behind a sink or a cooktop any day if possible 'A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world.' Louis Pasteur Vegie garden: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27637&start=0 My Backyard Adventure Re: splashback or window 28Mar 01, 2009 12:27 pm lisanne ed @ EcoClassic lisanne Isn't a window just a see through glass splashback? A splashback with a view! Not much of a view if it's obscure... and it's about 120mm - 150mm further back into the wall. If you want to focus on a negative, go for it, "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: splashback or window 30Mar 01, 2009 2:25 pm ed @ EcoClassic According to AS 5601 Clause 5.12.1.2 The rule is minimum 200mm to the rear most burner for any flammable material (and we have not ascertained that the film is "flammable"), which with a window will be easily achieved. Ed Ed this is exactly my concern - except in the "AS/NZS 4386.2-1996 Domestic Kitchen Assemblies - Installation" the term used is "Non Fire Retardant" Ever since builders (or possibly architects) have begun specifying windows for splashbacks behind cooktops I have been concerned, as you also mentioned, about the rubber/plastic wedge used to hold the glass in place, as I am pretty sure that a lot of these would not be classified as Fire Retardant. I of course am happy to be corrected on this point; however any builder, cabinet maker or installer I have discussed with this has treated it as a "grey area" - which doesn't make me feel any more assured specifying cabinetry for such an application. As for painted splashbacks - I assume that because a "Fire Retardant" glass is between the cooktop and the paint the rules have been adhered to, although one assumes that the paint could still potentially combust in the right circumstances. But this could also apply to plasterbboard/timber frames et cetera that are also frequently found behind splashbacks. My assumption here is that the Fire Retardant standards are concerned about direct contact with extremely hot or burning objects as opposed to conducted heat - which sort of makes sense in that if something is against your splashback and hot enough to get the wall behind it burning then there might be other things to be concerned about at the same time, like other parts of your kitchen also being on fire. Just some thoughts. Cheers, Earl Re: splashback or window 31Mar 01, 2009 6:29 pm Strumer ed @ EcoClassic According to AS 5601 Clause 5.12.1.2 The rule is minimum 200mm to the rear most burner for any flammable material (and we have not ascertained that the film is "flammable"), which with a window will be easily achieved. Ed Ed this is exactly my concern - except in the "AS/NZS 4386.2-1996 Domestic Kitchen Assemblies - Installation" the term used is "Non Fire Retardant" Ever since builders (or possibly architects) have begun specifying windows for splashbacks behind cooktops I have been concerned, as you also mentioned, about the rubber/plastic wedge used to hold the glass in place, as I am pretty sure that a lot of these would not be classified as Fire Retardant. I of course am happy to be corrected on this point; however any builder, cabinet maker or installer I have discussed with this has treated it as a "grey area" - which doesn't make me feel any more assured specifying cabinetry for such an application. As for painted splashbacks - I assume that because a "Fire Retardant" glass is between the cooktop and the paint the rules have been adhered to, although one assumes that the paint could still potentially combust in the right circumstances. But this could also apply to plasterbboard/timber frames et cetera that are also frequently found behind splashbacks. My assumption here is that the Fire Retardant standards are concerned about direct contact with extremely hot or burning objects as opposed to conducted heat - which sort of makes sense in that if something is against your splashback and hot enough to get the wall behind it burning then there might be other things to be concerned about at the same time, like other parts of your kitchen also being on fire. Just some thoughts. Cheers, Earl Thanks Earl, I think the rules are specific about anything outside 200mm being safe, which I believe a window will be, taking account of the distance to the glass. However I am not sure that the reveal will be safe as it is closer closer than 200mm, even if it is tiled over. The paint I think will not qualify but I have asked ESV (http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/ ) to clarify and will post the reply here. 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