Browse Forums Kitchen Appliances 1 Jul 07, 2012 3:16 pm Hi, I am looking at purchasing the Miele oven H 5241 B CLST , it is currently $2499. But there is also a pyrolytic version of this oven the H 5241 BP at $3499. The only difference that i can see betweeen the two is that one is pyrolytic and one isn't. I have one salesperson that says the perfectclean finish on the oven is enough that the pyro is just "for lazy people" whereas another salesperson says she would be lost without the pyro function. Is it really worth spending the extra $1000 to upgrade to the pyro version ? Thanks in advance Tweety. Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 2Jul 07, 2012 10:20 pm Tweety I can probably be of no help, but I have bought two of the non pyro ovens to go in my new house, I have really tossed up wether I should downgrade one and upgrade the other, our salesman also said the perfect clean was pretty good. We were deciding between v-zug and Siemens, there pyro ovens you can leave the racks in or put them in the dishwasher, the Miele pyro you cannot, at the end of the day It seemed the Miele pyro was more hassle than any other pyro on the market, so I didn't get it. Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 3Jul 08, 2012 11:29 am Miele perfect clean finish is very easy to clean but you still have to clean it regularly, that's why the non-pyro Miele oven has a light colour inside so that you can see the dirt and clean it straight away while the pyro version has a dark interior ( you don't need to see the dirt as the pyro function will clean it anyway). I think there's a free upgrade on those Miele ovens this month with extra accessories. Also for $2499 Miele has a new pyro oven at that price but the interior is a bit smaller. It's called H4412BP. http://www.miele.com.au/au/domestic/products/ovens_models_H_4412_BP-54053.htm Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 4Jul 12, 2012 10:22 pm For me, I'd definitely go with the pyro (and we did, with the V-Zug). Had the catalytic Smeg before, and the smoke with some foods wasn't great, but I'm sure Miele would have an improved surface. Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 5Jul 13, 2012 12:15 pm Jaeger LeCoultre Miele perfect clean finish is very easy to clean but you still have to clean it regularly, that's why the non-pyro Miele oven has a light colour inside so that you can see the dirt and clean it straight away while the pyro version has a dark interior ( you don't need to see the dirt as the pyro function will clean it anyway). I think there's a free upgrade on those Miele ovens this month with extra accessories. Also for $2499 Miele has a new pyro oven at that price but the interior is a bit smaller. It's called H4412BP. http://www.miele.com.au/au/domestic/products/ovens_models_H_4412_BP-54053.htm See this is why I love H1 I just called up Miele and cancelled half of my order and then reordered it I was able to get the free upgrades on my two ovensto the Culinaro ovens with telescopic runners etc and get my combi microwave oven at a cheaper price, it does mean that I don't get the 5% discount on two of my other appliances..but after taking everything into account I get the two upgraded ovens and save myself $20 Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 6Jul 15, 2012 8:50 pm Having just purchased all our new kitchen gear, we had the choice of a pyrolytic oven, but like some could not justify the extra cost, when really all it pays for is an expensive cleaning item. If you have the available budget, great, but for general everyday use we certainly couldn't justify the extra. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 8Aug 18, 2012 9:29 pm Sorry for confusing the issue for you, but we are re-modelling our kitchen, and a must have is pyrolytic oven. Other brands do not charge $1000 more for it. Instead we are not buying Miele and buying Bosch (or another equal brand) with pyrolytic which is still about $1000 less that Miele pyrolytic. As much as I would love to have Miele oven, I would prefer to have a pyrolytic oven (as long as it is a decent build quality) that does what I want it to, and my research so far indicates there are other options available that give equivalent oven with pyrolytic vs Miele without - and often still for less cost. Good luck in your search. Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 9Aug 18, 2012 9:48 pm That's fine, and you are correct that there are pyrolitic ovens cheaper than the major brands ie Miele, AEG, Smeg etc. They have a fixed pricing system unlike Bosch. There is nothing wrong with Bosch products, we have a Bosch dishwasher, however as far as the general view is, whilst a good oven they still do not compare to the other higher spec brands for efficiency and the like. The oven we have chosen is an AEG with a 5 year warranty. Its closest pyro was nearly $1K dearer. Whilst a pyro may be nice for cleaning, I can buy my dishwasher with left over for other items for that. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 10Aug 18, 2012 11:13 pm Hi Delatite, thanks for posting. We too have Bosch dishwasher and it is fantastic. Had it 1 year and only 2 occasions that a dish came out still dirty (burnt lasagne) - I'll give that a high distinction. What makes you say Bosch do not compare to other brands? The number of reviews online for Bosch ovens outnumber every other brand and they are overwhelmingly positive. Sure Miele get a lot of positive reviews, but there are not nearly as many reviews of them. As for other high end oven manufacturers (Siemens, AEG etc) there are nearly no reviews. I have been looking for info on Asko and found nothing of relevance, they could be high end or overpriced.
I am interested what do you mean when you you say Bosch "still do not compare to the other higher spec brands for efficiency and the like". I believe that Miele for example are a better oven, but when a Bosch pyrolytic can be had for $1600 but Miele pyrolytic can only be had for $3200+ you could buy a fantastic dishwasher for the difference. I ask if the oven is really that much better? We checked the great Asko deal today ($3299 pyrolytic oven + $1399 gas cooktop on sale for $2699), but I am happy with something that has only a temperature gauge, fan strength and timer, the rest means little to me. Please feel free to convince me how Miele, Siemens AEG NEFF etc are worth $1400+ more than what I am currently looking at paying. Please take this seriously - I am not being rude (though it may seem that way), I just don't know that much about ovens and want to make the best considered decision I can. If paying an extra $1000 is worth it and has a rationale about it I will consider it, but if not well... I just want the best that suits my purpose and my budget. Thanks. Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 11Aug 19, 2012 12:00 pm Have a look at wall thickness = insulation, double, triple, quad glazed dooring, the star rating is also a good guide to efficiency. It all adds up to lower running costs and more even cooking. Also warranty length. Don't know much about Asko as we didn't look at them. As for cost, that's why we purchased individual items, to get what we wanted. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 12Feb 13, 2014 2:05 pm Hi delatite13 Saw a post from you 1 year ago regarding your purchase of a AEG oven, was just wondering how you have found it? Am tossing between Smeg & AEG and like you i think the 5yr warranty is great compared to 2yr with Smeg. Do you mind letting me know? its such a big choice and sales reps all tell you different things would appreciate your honesty. Thank-You Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 13Feb 13, 2014 3:21 pm Well for what its worth I went with Neff Slide and hide because I like the idea of the door going under the oven as both my wife and I are shorter. We coupled it with normal Neff Microwave and 29cm warming drawer. For cooktop we went with a 90cm induction with the 3 flex zones. With the deals going they threw in 2 dishwashers (we want one inside and one in the alfresco) free pots, telescopic rails. So all in all a good deal. The slide and hide do not have Pyro but they have some other cleaning method. I think the brand is a good one but less touted than Miele.... Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 15Feb 17, 2014 9:41 am Hi Shortie, Sorry for the delay just saw the post. Absolutely no probs at all with the AEG. Cooks evenly, the slides for the racks work really well as they come out a long way. The griller is awesome. Cleaning like any non pyro oven can be a pain, but everything does come off the surface so from that perspective it's fine. The warranty was the thing that really swayed us. I don't think there is anyone else with a 5 year warranty. The cool touch door to me was important as well. From memory its a triple glazed door, so u can't burn yourself on the glass, and it holds the heat for quite a long period after use. Overall I would buy the brand again. Haven't had a Smeg oven so really can't comment on them. I would check reviews by people on the oven. They will vary but will give you a good overall picture of what they are like. Settlement 1/2/12 New Shed 23/3/12 Slab poured 27/3/12 Frame complete 4/5/12 Roof complete 1/6/12 LOCKUP 29/6/12 Our new build blog http://kareenhillsownerbuild.blogspot.com/ Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 16Mar 12, 2014 6:50 pm My builder use Ilve products and I'm going for a 600mm pyro instead of the default 900mm gas oven. I don't need the big oven and that will obviously be different for others. It works out to actually be $85 cheaper. Builder sales person I'm dealing with used to be a chef & highly recommended the pyro. Seems a worthwhile deal to me but I'm no foodie. http://ilve.com.au/products/showcase/52/ovens Re: Is it worth paying extra $1000 for a pyrolytic oven? 17Mar 14, 2014 7:39 am Bandha My builder use Ilve products and I'm going for a 600mm pyro instead of the default 900mm gas oven. I don't need the big oven and that will obviously be different for others. It works out to actually be $85 cheaper. Builder sales person I'm dealing with used to be a chef & highly recommended the pyro. Seems a worthwhile deal to me but I'm no foodie. http://ilve.com.au/products/showcase/52/ovens Only down side is the internal width of a 600mm oven. We have a 700mm oven and our fry pan only just fits into that. We can only just get two trays side by side in. We would really struggle with a 600mm oven. If you don't use the oven much then a 600 pyro would be fine. 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