Browse Forums Kitchen Appliances 1 Nov 19, 2009 1:27 pm I am building a new home and the Miele appliances are standard for the kitchen. However the standard pyrolytic oven wont fit my large lasagne dish or 2 roasting pans. The cavity is only 41.6 cm wide and 40 deep and 38cm high with overall capacity 66L. $3199 approx The wider Miele oven is 47 wide but only 30cm high and the overall capacity is only 60L !!!!! I dont think I could fit a roast on one shelf and another pan on the other shelf because of the height? It is $4199 The big oven's cavity is 58 wide with 30cm height however it is $11,000!!! Can anyone recommend a good oven in a good brand which would be more suitable for me that those above? I dont want to spend more than approx 4k Is having a pyrolytic oven worthwhile? Many thanks Building in Bella Vista Waters Sydney. The Galaxy with Macquarie facade by Young Homes Re: new oven advice please 2Nov 19, 2009 6:13 pm The Australian brands - Electrolux, Westinghouse and Chef usually do the best in the Choice magazine tests. The also have a particularly good stainless steel for avoiding finger prints. They generally have more space inside the ovens than Euro brands. I'm planning on getting a Westinghouse. The catalytic liners seem good enough for me, although the Australian brands offer the Pyrolytic, too. I would have thought the pyrolytic would be ecologically unfriendly as you have to put the temperature up incredibly high and for a long period for it to do its work. Re: new oven advice please 3Nov 19, 2009 6:25 pm What size space have you allowed in yr kitchen? 600 or can u go bigger. If you want the extra oven space why not get a 75cm or 90cm oven. If its still at the design stage, it might be worthwhile changing the design to incorporate a bigger oven. I'm thinking about home made lasagna now! I just got the blanco pyrolitic. Havent had to use the pyro clean yet but i absolutely hate oven cleaning and the toxic oven cleaner, so the pyro function was a must for me. I love the oven so far. Re: new oven advice please 4Nov 19, 2009 6:43 pm Thank you for your replies. I can go as big as I like as the kitchen hasnt been fully designed as yet. I was even thinking I could go for a free standing combo with gas cook top and electric oven??? And you are right Cyberman - so many of the Euro ovens are small. i will check out the Westinghouse and the Blanco Building in Bella Vista Waters Sydney. The Galaxy with Macquarie facade by Young Homes Re: new oven advice please 5Nov 20, 2009 7:56 am We chose the smeg pyrolitic. It has more space in it than the miele and whilst they start at the same price you can negotiate on the smeg. We took 2 trips to their showroom at botany and played around with all the appliances we were buying for a few hours each time. They let us chose what to cook in them and get involved which helped us decide to go smeg over miele or blanco. So far the oven has been excellent. Re: new oven advice please 7May 11, 2010 4:02 pm kerrin62 And you are right Cyberman - so many of the Euro ovens are small. i will check out the Westinghouse and the Blanco Never read so much crap in my life. Westinhgouse are re-badged Taiwanese jobs! I have a Euro 900mm which is 126L and is huge!!! Re: new oven advice please 8May 11, 2010 10:17 pm kerrin62 Is having a pyrolytic oven worthwhile? We had an LG Pyro at our old house which we put in when we did our kitchen reno. I personally didn't think it was worthwhile paying the extra again for the Pyro in our new house. For a start you have to take all your racks out of the oven anyway and clean/scrub them separately . Secondly, you have to wipe out the oven after it has been Pyro cleaned anyway. Thirdly, the kitchen gets extremely hot when Pyro cleaning is in use - couldn't stand being in there when the oven was being cleaned. I also only used the Pyro feature 3 or 4 times when we had it anyway. I have purchased the same LG oven for this build (the actual oven I loved, everything cooks beautifully), just without the pyro feature. Just my 2 cents worth Re: new oven advice please 9May 11, 2010 10:21 pm I'm having the blanco induction cooktop with the 75cm oven. The 75cm oven has the same internal capacity as the 90cm but the facade is reconfiguired to be "squarer"than the rectangle 90cm Deemaree Kyndylan Capers: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=46852 My blog: http://www.sufficientlysufficient.blogspot.com/ Re: new oven advice please 10May 11, 2010 10:39 pm Deemaree I'm having the blanco induction cooktop Me too! I also had this in my last house and it was so good we have bought the same one for our new house as well! Loved it!! Def good choice - cuts cooking time in half. Re: new oven advice please 11May 11, 2010 10:45 pm Whenever I see the ads from Harvey Norman selling the pyrolytic oven, it always makes me laugh. They sell it as good for the environment because it 'does away with environmentally unfriendly cleaners'. It also has to get REALLY REALLY hot which takes a fair whack of electricity, predominantly powered by a coal fired powerstation. If they had just said, less toxic cleaners in the house, would have been more believable. Building tip No. 3: A raft slab will not get you down a river. A waffle pod slab does not go with maple syrup. My building thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=53000 Re: new oven advice please 12May 12, 2010 7:57 am n&n02 Deemaree I'm having the blanco induction cooktop Me too! I also had this in my last house and it was so good we have bought the same one for our new house as well! Loved it!! Def good choice - cuts cooking time in half. Glad to hear it! We would have had to have bottled gas out where we are building so I chose full electric appliances and upgraded to the induction. Deemaree Kyndylan Capers: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=46852 My blog: http://www.sufficientlysufficient.blogspot.com/ Re: new oven advice please 13May 14, 2010 5:03 am Hiya, I currently have a pyrolytic oven and I love it. Yes it is smelly when it cooks off all the gunge inside, but I always put it on before I am going out, it needs 3.5 hours to burn off. I spray the oven trays with cleaner and just hose them off with warm water. What could be easier. I am having a new kitchen built and have been recommended to have all Bosch appliances. I have the single pyrolytic oven HBA73B550A and the combination Lite speed oven HBC86K753B. Its a combination oven and microwave. I was recommended to have the induction also , But I plumped for a ceramic top instead. My oven will measure 595x595x548, so big enough for the roast lamb and vege when the family visits. This advice may be a bit late for you, but perhaps may help someone else Re: new oven advice please 14May 14, 2010 5:11 pm the pyrolitic liners are a pain in the *** to clean and just marketing hype. It comes down to the quality of the enamiling. Technika has just launched a new range of products late last year you should check them out quality a1, style kills the others, capacity above the blancoi's, electroluxes and I wont even bother with SMEG. Re: new oven advice please 15May 14, 2010 6:19 pm Dave, I find it interesting to read the words "Technika"and "quality"in the same sentence! We have had a number of friends build with companies which use these products and they have found them to be on the cheap and shabby side. The rental we are now in has these appliances and so far we have had the dishwasher break down twice ( the service guy says that most of their calls to newer machines are to the Technikas) and the oven doesn't work properly (the property is less than 3 years old). Granted, they are all in the Bellisimo range (or dirt cheap )...but I wouldn't buy or build any property that had these products. Deemaree Kyndylan Capers: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=46852 My blog: http://www.sufficientlysufficient.blogspot.com/ Re: new oven advice please 18May 15, 2010 11:34 am davethebuilder the pyrolitic liners are a pain in the *** to clean and just marketing hype. Re: new oven advice please 19May 20, 2010 12:10 am kerrin62 I am building a new home and the Miele appliances are standard for the kitchen. However the standard pyrolytic oven wont fit my large lasagne dish or 2 roasting pans. The cavity is only 41.6 cm wide and 40 deep and 38cm high with overall capacity 66L. $3199 approx The wider Miele oven is 47 wide but only 30cm high and the overall capacity is only 60L !!!!! I dont think I could fit a roast on one shelf and another pan on the other shelf because of the height? It is $4199 The big oven's cavity is 58 wide with 30cm height however it is $11,000!!! Can anyone recommend a good oven in a good brand which would be more suitable for me that those above? I dont want to spend more than approx 4k Is having a pyrolytic oven worthwhile? Many thanks Hi kerrin62, We have just bought a Miele 5240 BP which is less expensive than the model you looked at. We decided that we didn't need automatic cooking, remembered programs or temperature probes. It does have a timer and you can stop and start cooking at designated times - but we don't tend to use even that. You must have a super large lasagne dish! Mmmm! Lasagne! It's always been a family favourite. Our lasagne dish is 43.5 cm wide, and it feeds my wife and me, a 21 yo, a 17 yo and a soon to be teenager, plus three or four visitors with plenty left over for lunches. It certainly fits in. The lips on the ends that act as handles sit between the runners, so if your dish is the right height, it can be up to 46 cm wide. We can cook with three layers of such dishes - far more than we need for us. We bought a second set of runners (one came free as a promotional) and we think they are fantastic. We can slide whatever we are cooking completely out of the oven to check it, turn it over, or whatever. We enjoy the super fast warm up. Gone are the days when we would ring ahead and ask one of our sons to turn the oven on to warm up ready for the cooking. We don't know if the pyrolytic is worthwhile as we have yet to use it. Choice recommends buying one if you have the money. So far, we have just wiped it out after using it and it has remained spotless. Easy. But then, we don't cook meat, so we would be producing less fat spattering than many, I suspect. So lovely after our terrible rental cheap and nasty oven. Pfiff Finally making progress again, with a clothesline (yippee) and some much needed little things being attended to over the holidays. 40 C on New Year's eve? We love our a/c! Re: new oven advice please 20May 21, 2010 11:43 pm Deemaree Dave, I find it interesting to read the words "Technika"and "quality"in the same sentence! We have had a number of friends build with companies which use these products and they have found them to be on the cheap and shabby side. The rental we are now in has these appliances and so far we have had the dishwasher break down twice ( the service guy says that most of their calls to newer machines are to the Technikas) and the oven doesn't work properly (the property is less than 3 years old). Granted, they are all in the Bellisimo range (or dirt cheap )...but I wouldn't buy or build any property that had these products. So true. Had Technika installed in my house back in 2000. The oven is ok but the gas cooktop is crap. Takes about 15 minutes to boil a pot of water. When I moved in I had it checked and was told nothing is wrong with it and that it was my pots. 4 years ago I moved O/S and rented a place with gas cooktop and it takes about 3 minutes to boil using the same pots. So when I return next year I think it is time to replace the appliances, no more Tecknika for me. Hi Chippy, no there isn't, gave it a really good look through and literally opened everything and checked all edges as well. Hence the question, just hoping someone would… 2 2083 My daughter and son in law are about to start building, they are having a 600mm induction cook top and 900mm oven. It's personal preferance 5 10870 Versaloc is a mortarless besser block system that still needs a properly engineered footing. If you just do a 400x200 footing it will fail in time. At 17m long you need it… 1 17915 |