Browse Forums Renovation + Home Improvement Re: In floor power/data points 21Aug 23, 2014 11:47 am That's all well and good but nothing beats wired Ethernet for moving large volumes of data. Wireless degrades over distance, is impacted by walls, floors, furniture and interference. Extend the wireless network to overcome coverage issues and you impact its performance. A single device may well stream data fine but the bandwidth is shared and the more devices operating on a wireless network the poorer it performs. Current wireless speeds will outperform most internet connections with regards to the ability for downloading data and streaming from the internet (ie it has a faster rated speed than can be delivered over the Internet connection) but they won't outperform data speeds or bandwidth for a local network that is wired when serving up local data. If you want to set up a decent network for media in your home with content stored on a NAS for multiple devices to access and ensure good performance then wireless just won't cut it. Completed a knock down and rebuild in northern Melbourne. Handover completed 27/09/2013 and now moved in. Re: In floor power/data points 22Aug 23, 2014 1:03 pm Bluesuede That's all well and good but nothing beats wired Ethernet for moving large volumes of data. If you want to set up a decent network for media in your home with content stored on a NAS for multiple devices to access and ensure good performance then wireless just won't cut it. A big +1 to that. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: In floor power/data points 23Aug 23, 2014 2:37 pm It's true that wired beats wireless for moving large amounts of data. But if you aren't going to stream more than 10 movies at once (5 mb/s each) then the real-world speed of wireless (around 50 mb/s) should be more than enough. Supercomputers also can't be beat for processing large amounts of data but whether we need that power is another thing. You could also insulate your home with 1 meter of fabric but you really need to do a cost analysis no? It seems both of you just want power for power's sake without considering real-world needs. But my numbers may be wrong (5 mb/s for video and 50 mb/s total for wireless) so I'm happy to back down if that's the case. Otherwise it seems like overkill and you are effectively recommending that people spend thousands for something that will not benefit them (and possibly look ugly and outdated in 15 years). Re: In floor power/data points 24Aug 23, 2014 3:58 pm LegendLength It's true that wired beats wireless for moving large amounts of data. But if you aren't going to stream more than 10 movies at once (5 mb/s each) then the real-world speed of wireless (around 50 mb/s) should be more than enough. Supercomputers also can't be beat for processing large amounts of data but whether we need that power is another thing. You could also insulate your home with 1 meter of fabric but you really need to do a cost analysis no? It seems both of you just want power for power's sake without considering real-world needs. But my numbers may be wrong (5 mb/s for video and 50 mb/s total for wireless) so I'm happy to back down if that's the case. Otherwise it seems like overkill and you are effectively recommending that people spend thousands for something that will not benefit them (and possibly look ugly and outdated in 15 years). Sorry but if you have 10 devices streaming HD content over a single wireless network it's not going to cope. It's shared bandwidth and for every device using it concurrently it degrades significantly especially if you're going to stream a large amount of data. Your earlier suggested test of 5 movies concurrently on a single device is not an accurate test of capacity. I'm aware of real world needs. I don't think you are. You're caught up on stats of optimal conditions throughput on a single device over a wireless network and not real world usage and constraints. With technology everything will be obsolete at some point. Putting in wired Ethernet is not "thousands" and it is the most efficient and robust data networking mechanism at this point in time. If you want to service iDevices only then go with your wireless option. If you're setting up any sort of serious media capability then wired is the way. Completed a knock down and rebuild in northern Melbourne. Handover completed 27/09/2013 and now moved in. Re: In floor power/data points 25Aug 23, 2014 4:00 pm We use a wireless router at the moment and it is mostly for my daughter to be able to connect to the internet from her iPad anywhere in the house. In our upcoming build we will be doing the same again but I'll still be providing wired Cat5 or 6 cables to all bedrooms and lounge rooms in the house. Our main TV will be hooked up to a NAS etc and our office computer by cable as well. Everything else can be by wireless as long as it works OK. Even if cable becomes redundant they are all just connected through standard faceplates on the wall so I don't think that will faze many people. Stewie Re: In floor power/data points 26Aug 23, 2014 6:30 pm Bluesuede Sorry but if you have 10 devices streaming HD content over a single wireless network it's not going to cope. Do you have numbers to back up that claim or is it just a feeling? Quote: It's shared bandwidth and for every device using it concurrently it degrades significantly especially if you're going to stream a large amount of data. These days routers come with traffic control that will give each device an even amount of bandwidth so it's not a problem. Quote: Your earlier suggested test of 5 movies concurrently on a single device is not an accurate test of capacity. Are you claiming people would stream more than 5 HD movies at the same time? If that's the case then I would agree they should go cable (or buy a second router). Quote: I'm aware of real world needs. I don't think you are. You're caught up on stats of optimal conditions throughput on a single device over a wireless network and not real world usage and constraints. Did you read my posts? 'N' class routers claim 300 mb/s and i reduced that to 50 mb/s for real-world conditions. So no I don't believe I am 'caught up on stats'. I am trying to quantify my claims though so maybe that is too 'statsy' for you? Quote: Putting in wired Ethernet is not "thousands" Ok I don't know how much it costs actually I am just going off the couple of threads I've read here. Are you saying it is $500 ish in a new house? If that's the case then ignore all of my arguments because the price difference isn't that much. Re: In floor power/data points 27Aug 23, 2014 9:03 pm LegendLength Quote: Your earlier suggested test of 5 movies concurrently on a single device is not an accurate test of capacity. Are you claiming people would stream more than 5 HD movies at the same time? If that's the case then I would agree they should go cable (or buy a second router). It's not hard to have 5 or more TV's/media points in the one house, and if they are all wireless then you will have problem. Run 5 wireless access points and I wouldn't disagree with you, but who does that in the real world ? I don't care for the claimed 300mb/s of N class access points, because that claim is under ideal conditions, and you will never get that in a house, and even if you could get close you would be right next to the router anyway. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: In floor power/data points 28Aug 25, 2014 1:59 pm LegendLength Bluesuede Sorry but if you have 10 devices streaming HD content over a single wireless network it's not going to cope. Do you have numbers to back up that claim or is it just a feeling? Quote: It's shared bandwidth and for every device using it concurrently it degrades significantly especially if you're going to stream a large amount of data. These days routers come with traffic control that will give each device an even amount of bandwidth so it's not a problem. Quote: Your earlier suggested test of 5 movies concurrently on a single device is not an accurate test of capacity. Are you claiming people would stream more than 5 HD movies at the same time? If that's the case then I would agree they should go cable (or buy a second router). Quote: I'm aware of real world needs. I don't think you are. You're caught up on stats of optimal conditions throughput on a single device over a wireless network and not real world usage and constraints. Did you read my posts? 'N' class routers claim 300 mb/s and i reduced that to 50 mb/s for real-world conditions. So no I don't believe I am 'caught up on stats'. I am trying to quantify my claims though so maybe that is too 'statsy' for you? Quote: Putting in wired Ethernet is not "thousands" Ok I don't know how much it costs actually I am just going off the couple of threads I've read here. Are you saying it is $500 ish in a new house? If that's the case then ignore all of my arguments because the price difference isn't that much. I'm going off my experience as an industry professional. At the end of the day your suggestion of testing out a wireless router first before committing to wired Ethernet is flawed: - this forum is geared towards a high percentage of new house builds. If you don't make your decision before you sign the contract then it's difficult and more expensive to retrofit wired Ethernet to a home. - as per the above point you have no way to test out wireless performance in the new home and so can't take into account where dead spots are, where performance may be poor due to walls, furniture and any local interference. - testing bandwidth utilization via a single device streaming is not an accurate test to determine suitability for moving large amounts of data to multiple devices - different devices will perform differently on the wireless network due to differing hardware specs, software, and device placement - and overall utilization of the network at the time - centralized file storage and distribution for media purposes with link redundancy or bandwidth aggregation is not suited to wireless Price is entirely dependent on requirements. If your bare necessity is to provide wired Ethernet to a media room then you're looking at a single run at around a hundred bucks. The more points you need the more expensive it gets. If you've got a couple of teenage kids then having them sit in their rooms streaming HD content on their laptops while you try and watch a 1080p movie in your theatre all on a single wireless network, you're going to run into issues. It's better to plan for peak capacity than limit yourself to what 'might' do. What I'm saying is that if you plan to have a high use of data in your home - and more specifically I'm talking about media serving - then you are better served provisioning a robust switched wired solution than hoping for the best with wireless. Completed a knock down and rebuild in northern Melbourne. Handover completed 27/09/2013 and now moved in. Re: In floor power/data points 29Aug 26, 2014 11:10 am LegendLength Bluesuede Sorry but if you have 10 devices streaming HD content over a single wireless network it's not going to cope. Do you have numbers to back up that claim or is it just a feeling? Real world test. Same devices, only difference was whether the patch cable was connected or they connected via wifi over a distance of about 1.2m. Wifi result: several seconds of buffering, stuttering and multiple pauses to rebuffer during a 40min video. Wired result: perfect stream, experience the same as playing a disk in the HDMI attached BRplayer. It's a new router too, bought about 3 months ago with '300' max theoretical speed. I can stream 2-3 standard def videos to my tablets without issue. I -cannot- stream more than one high def stream and even that is chancy. Real. World. Experience. LegendLength Quote: Putting in wired Ethernet is not "thousands" Ok I don't know how much it costs actually I am just going off the couple of threads I've read here. Are you saying it is $500 ish in a new house? If that's the case then ignore all of my arguments because the price difference isn't that much. It really depends how much you're putting in. Each wired point in addition to the included ones is probably going to cost in the region of $100-150 (maybe a bit less, maybe a bit more). So you should be able to put one to each potential TV without spending that much! My advice to people who are not techy is a point behind each TV or potential TV, one where a phone could go, one where a computer could go and possibly one more so you can have your wifi router in a good (central, not next to a bathroom) spot if the computer one or TV one(s) don't qualify. Land settled May '14. 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