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Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 22Aug 05, 2014 2:22 pm Interesting looking project. I bought a 3.5 acre property in launceston a few months back and i will building a 3 bedroom weatherboard later this year. I originally wanted to do a 1 bedroom shack under 100k but couldn't convince my partner. Ive also spent a bit of time reading through the timber framing standard working out frame member sizes and things to build stable buildings on our property. It might be owrth looking at yourself as you can work out the most cost efective design choices in terms of room sizes. Some times going a little bit wider in the room means you have to change to a larger ridge beam or larger rafter timbers and when you look at the cost of each component it can add up With the narrow rooms are you considering a cathedral ceiling? Would make your little cottage nice look a lot larger. Will be following along with this one. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 23Aug 05, 2014 3:48 pm thanks batey i'll consult with my designer re the cost efficient design aspect left of the red dashed line on the floor plan post 1, will probably be 2.4m ceilings, right of the green dashed line raked/cathedral. batey_1020 Interesting looking project. I bought a 3.5 acre property in launceston a few months back and i will building a 3 bedroom weatherboard later this year. I originally wanted to do a 1 bedroom shack under 100k but couldn't convince my partner. Ive also spent a bit of time reading through the timber framing standard working out frame member sizes and things to build stable buildings on our property. It might be owrth looking at yourself as you can work out the most cost efective design choices in terms of room sizes. Some times going a little bit wider in the room means you have to change to a larger ridge beam or larger rafter timbers and when you look at the cost of each component it can add up With the narrow rooms are you considering a cathedral ceiling? Would make your little cottage nice look a lot larger. Will be following along with this one. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 24Aug 19, 2014 11:17 am Having a great time using the free version (or is it the trial version!) of Sketch-up for 3D.....addictive!
http://www.sketchup.com/learn Was off to buy some land recently, but it fell through. Found another block to inspect, pics below. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Floor Plan Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 25Aug 19, 2014 12:32 pm As someone who has done a lot of research in buying a waterfront property in Tassie I would recommend you have a good look around and you may find established property at a bargain value. It could save you a lot of hassles, you may get something that looks a lot better than a barn or a shack and you will get established gardens and possibly many other extras or advantages. Putting your effort into research could be more cost effective than putting on a nail bag. Just my experience. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 26Aug 19, 2014 1:15 pm yes, its a good idea, however, there are many variables. Within 60min of Hobart, with water view and a "decent" house, I think I will be looking at $380K plus buying established. I believe I can take somewhere in the vicinity of $80 to $100K off that considering my sqm., design and as an OB. The other benefit is to have a house to my own specifications. I am open to the possibility of my calculations being wrong of course. building-expert As someone who has done a lot of research in buying a waterfront property in Tassie I would recommend you have a good look around and you may find established property at a bargain value. It could save you a lot of hassles, you may get something that looks a lot better than a barn or a shack and you will get established gardens and possibly many other extras or advantages. Putting your effort into research could be more cost effective than putting on a nail bag. Just my experience. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 27Aug 19, 2014 8:43 pm James Austin wrote: "Within 60min of Hobart, with water view and a "decent" house, I think I will be looking at $380K plus buying established. I believe I can take somewhere in the vicinity of $80 to $100K off that considering my sqm., design and as an OB. The other benefit is to have a house to my own specifications." Within 60 Min of Hobart there is a lot of choice. You can get a decent house with great water views for under 200K (Try Primrose Sands) waterfront for around 300K (have look at the example I posted in Boomer Bay 35 min airport 45 min Hobart, waterfront +own jetty. I am not trying to put you off, build if you must so long as you have done your homework In my book buying smart beats working hard any day. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 28Aug 19, 2014 9:53 pm It isn’t difficult to find a place to buy and just move in, as you suggest, Primrose Sands for example. However, variables such as location, environment, age of house, building a house to your own specifications etc., all need to be weighed up. Boomer Bay, whilst pleasant views, may be offset somewhat by the locals. Also, the house was sold for $310K-ish, and requiring some upgrading; making it $50 to $70K more expensive than my OB project. At present I’ve got my eye on the land shown in the post above, located in the Huon Valley (my preferred area), a new home as per my own specs., set amongst other new homes, at $250K-ish. building-expert Within 60 Min of Hobart there is a lot of choice. You can get a decent house with great water views for under 200K (Try Primrose Sands) waterfront for around 300K (have look at the example I posted in Boomer Bay 35 min airport 45 min Hobart, waterfront +own jetty. I am not trying to put you off, build if you must so long as you have done your homework In my book buying smart beats working hard any day. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 29Aug 19, 2014 10:16 pm All good! I like the views from the land you are considering. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 30Aug 20, 2014 7:35 am Just one more thing Think seriously about your budget bow out, it's very common even for professionals. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 31Aug 20, 2014 8:14 am you mean the point at which the OB is no longer financially feasible? once all quotes have been recieved, if the numbers arent adding up, i will have to do the build the old fashioned way, builder plus debt slave building-expert Just one more thing Think seriously about your budget bow out, it's very common even for professionals. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 32Aug 20, 2014 10:01 am James Austin you mean the point at which the OB is no longer financially feasible? once all quotes have been recieved, if the numbers arent adding up, i will have to do the build the old fashioned way, builder plus debt slave building-expert Just one more thing Think seriously about your budget bow out, it's very common even for professionals. No I mean budget blowout during your build, someone lets you down, dispute or a building blunder. I have lost count of owner builds that end in dispute or cost a premium but look sub standard. Some blunders cannot be fixed or cost arm and a leg. If building was easy we would not have building degree courses. As this is your first build be prepared to pay for the experience, perhaps a lot. It's all doable but Just be careful. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 33Aug 20, 2014 10:03 am The old fashioned way is to pick up the tools yourself and get your hands dirty. There was a time when "owner-builder" had a different meaning. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 34Aug 20, 2014 11:18 am i see. i cant guarantee of course but i'll certainly be trying to minimise my risk via: meticulous preparation, living onsite, labouring myself, understanding building processes as it relates to my build, building consultant assistance, etc building-expert No I mean budget blowout during your build, someone lets you down, dispute or a building blunder. I have lost count of owner builds that end in dispute or cost a premium but look sub standard. Some blunders cannot be fixed or cost arm and a leg. If building was easy we would not have building degree courses. As this is your first build be prepared to pay for the experience, perhaps a lot. It's all doable but Just be careful. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 35Aug 20, 2014 12:15 pm James Austin i see. i cant guarantee of course but i'll certainly be trying to minimise my risk via: meticulous preparation, living onsite, labouring myself, understanding building processes as it relates to my build, building consultant assistance, etc building-expert No I mean budget blowout during your build, someone lets you down, dispute or a building blunder. I have lost count of owner builds that end in dispute or cost a premium but look sub standard. Some blunders cannot be fixed or cost arm and a leg. If building was easy we would not have building degree courses. As this is your first build be prepared to pay for the experience, perhaps a lot. It's all doable but Just be careful. Just so you know my previous advice was in relation to a steel-framed off the shelf kit home - there are many that suit your design. Many people dont like the aesthetics of those rectangular gable roofed shoe boxes, but in terms of practicality and cost they are the best in my book. If you're contemplating a custom build, well then I dont know about the cost. Also BE gives some good advice. Personally if I cannot OB for at least 100K less than comparable good quality homes in the area, then I would not bother. You may as well bank on taking a full year to do it so what are those wages worth to you? IF you are contemplating a stumps design Take a look at bingoshelleys build. Documents everything- from memory their costs came in at low $600's/sq m. A slab should not cost a lot more if you buy on the right soil. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 36Aug 20, 2014 1:38 pm no this isnt a kit i dont think my design is so unpleasing, but i need to consider resale; voting here http://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=72919 thanks for bingo's thread, $600sqm just goes to show what can be done, it is base model, yet still makes me think my $1000sqm is achievable .......and after all that bingo is now selling http://www.byohouse.com.au/forum4/viewt ... 4775#p4775 qebtel Just so you know my previous advice was in relation to a steel-framed off the shelf kit home - there are many that suit your design. Many people dont like the aesthetics of those rectangular gable roofed shoe boxes, but in terms of practicality and cost they are the best in my book. If you're contemplating a custom build, well then I dont know about the cost. Also BE gives some good advice. Personally if I cannot OB for at least 100K less than comparable good quality homes in the area, then I would not bother. You may as well bank on taking a full year to do it so what are those wages worth to you? IF you are contemplating a stumps design Take a look at bingoshelleys build. Documents everything- from memory their costs came in at low $600's/sq m. A slab should not cost a lot more if you buy on the right soil. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 38Aug 21, 2014 2:38 pm great tool Sketchup for 3D perspective in smaller spaces it gives perspective in terms of proportions/layout/functionallity; i've deleted 2 windows to make way for a wood fire heater this type of planning should reduce my drafting consultation time/cost; not to mention reduce onsite changes/costs Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 39Aug 21, 2014 4:15 pm Take a look at the Shadows tool. If you allocate real space co-ordinates to your house model you can then 'switch on' Shadows and the model will how you how the sun will create shadows on your model for every hour of the day and every day of the year. I found it indispensable for orientating my house, and designing my eaves to permit maximum winter sun ingress whilst prohibiting summer sun from entering into the house at all. (Also if you go to: Window/Styles/Edit - and untick profiles, Extension and Endpoints you will get rid of those nasty black dots where every line meets!) I'm a great fan of Sketch Up - I used it to design my house and create all of my own house plans. Re: A shack in Tassie -- tight budget -- assessing viability 40Aug 21, 2014 4:45 pm thanks for the tips wax, appreciate it waxinggibbous Take a look at the Shadows tool. If you allocate real space co-ordinates to your house model you can then 'switch on' Shadows and the model will how you how the sun will create shadows on your model for every hour of the day and every day of the year. I found it indispensable for orientating my house, and designing my eaves to permit maximum winter sun ingress whilst prohibiting summer sun from entering into the house at all. (Also if you go to: Window/Styles/Edit - and untick profiles, Extension and Endpoints you will get rid of those nasty black dots where every line meets!) I'm a great fan of Sketch Up - I used it to design my house and create all of my own house plans. Coming back to your old stomping grounds, huh? Renovations on a budget can be quite the journey. It's like giving your house a new lease on life. The twist of not knowing… 1 3554 |