Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum 1 Mar 20, 2014 5:31 am Hi All, Can any one advise on framing nail , size + grade. This is for a 90 x 45 mm structural pine frame in nsw. Eg Size - diametre x lenght , bright, gal , aurmorgal , whatever. Ty wobbly1 Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: framing nails 3Mar 22, 2014 7:15 am I use a nail gun for any framing I do - an older style Jambro that fires 100mm x 3mm "D" head nails. A lot of the newer guns only fire 90mm max. Any hand nailing I use something like a 100 mm 3.5 - 4mm jolt head nail or a 75mm x 3mm for smaller stuff. All bright steel not gal either. The manual 100mm nails are thicker so they don't bend as easy. The smaller diameter nails for guns only get hit once as they get punched into the wood. We find less splitting of timber by using a nail gun rather than swinging a hammer. Stewie Re: framing nails 5Mar 24, 2014 5:00 am So as general rule , if ya are going through 45mm pine the nail should be at least that deep in the section being nailed too ? as in the case for noggins and studs would this be correct , and do the inspectors want to see this Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: framing nails 6Mar 24, 2014 9:04 am It's all about holding power. I'm sure you'd be able to dig up a pdf or section of a top plate nailed to studs saying something along the lines of "all studs to be fastened to the top plate by two 90mm x 3mm nails " or something similar. I can't imagine the inspectors would want to see a sample seeing as it is pretty much industry standard but leaving a few framing nails around would indicate what you've used to nail it all together. Stewie Re: framing nails 7Mar 25, 2014 1:28 am Ty Stewie, Being a rank ameteur about to add an extension , i don't know these industry standards everyone takes for the done thing. Also their not an everyday topic and its hard to get the right info about the mundane aspects of framing. Ty wobbly1 Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: framing nails 8Mar 25, 2014 8:17 am Wobbly1, there are some good books that you can buy and also a lot of pdfs that can be downloaded from the net regarding framing a house. Bear in mind that some of them are from the US and as such are in imperial measurements as well as having different takes on building codes etc. Even at your local Bunnings etc there are usually free publications put out by organisations like TABMA that detail things like this. Stewie Re: framing nails 10Apr 11, 2014 6:43 am Thanks to all posters, went and got the AS1684 frame code , this has cleared up 99% of querries but, only added some more, as follows 1 frame nails ? is/are deformed / ring shank preffered and required in nsw 2 doesn't allow for yellow tongue flooring fixing , only structural ply. Any thoughts please ? Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: framing nails 11Apr 11, 2014 7:55 am You'll find most framing nails are ring shanks of various descriptions - some have the rings or deformations their entire length, others only one or two. The nails I use in my framing gun are relatively smooth. I'm unaware of any standard for them that is required for their use apart from length and diameter. Sheet flooring should be nailed down with 50mm nails minimum into hardwood floor joists and 65mm for pine . Any of the manufacturers would have a spec sheet for their products regarding installation. We used to glue all our sheets down to the joists as well and end-join them over a trimmer joist - stops any squeaks. Stewie Re: framing nails 12May 20, 2014 4:48 pm Australian Building Standards require structural nail gun mails to be either ring shanked or be coated in glue. The standard Paslode framing nails are coated in a thermo setting glue. The friction of the nail melts the glue which then sets once the nail is driven home. A more important issue is the requirement to use galv nails (in lieu or bright nails) when nailing into treated timber Re: framing nails 13May 21, 2014 6:40 am Ty Beetaloo. This is the kind of info I'm after. Having spent $$$ buying standards and amendments only to find it is vague, was deppressing. Seems nails aren't just nails anymore!!!!! Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: framing nails 14May 21, 2014 9:34 am Wobbly, Clause 9.5 in AS 1684.4 specifies the fixing and nailing requirements for the various typical structural connections in a standard house. You may be able to access/read this standard is some state public libraries. For fixing materials such as cladding, plasterboard, eaves lining etc, down load installation guidelines from the respective manufacturers web sites. Re: framing nails 16Jun 15, 2014 5:28 pm Q,What size and type of machine driven nails are acceptable too pass the council inspections, in N.S.W , when fixing 19mm particle board flooring to floor joists. Dee head collated deformed shank nails - such as paslode dekfast 65mm long x 2.8mm diameter. Or finishing tee heads of same size Or brads ty wobbly Design from top down to ground , build from ground up Re: framing nails 19Jun 16, 2014 8:45 am Glue the sheets down too with a reputable adhesive like Sikkaflex. Surprisingly it stops a lot of squeaks especially on second storey floors. We used to use Paslode 65mm D-head nails as well but that depends on what you are fixing it to . Pine joists - 65mm, hardwood - 50mm. Stewie STEFF62 Framing should be fine, but he will only be able to nail the baseplates in, I wouldnt think you can dynabolt them after 24 hours. 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