Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum 1 Mar 05, 2012 5:34 pm Hi all been reading the forums for a few years and decided to join the other day! Me and my partner have recently purchased a block of land in Jurien bay WA I want to owner build as I know that we will get a bigger house for our buck. He is not so sure. Ok so have drawn up the house plans with pencil and paper! House is going to be aprox 300sqm Got quotes from a brickie that it would prob take about 13,000 brick and would cost $15000 for him to lay them! We asked him if it would be cheaper if we got the front of the house rendered, which cuts cost on Face bricks. We have a m8 who will be doing the interior walls and he only charging us $4000. The brickie said it would cost us more and because the bricks wont be structually sound. However all the reading I have done on borals site they make bricks think they were called maxi lite they r lighter than the average brick however r quite strong. Quote on the slab is $12,000 and $2000 swite works. Electrical we got told should not be anymore than $10000. Then we have plumbing but cant find a plumber to anser his phone We r able to put up the ceilings ourselves, so it would just be the cost of materials here. Gyprock $2000. Then we just need a flusher $2000 We got told that a roof would cost in the vacinity of $24,000, it has to be colourbond re block requirments. So far jsut for all this not including windows and doors and plumbing as we cant seem to find prices for them atm cost come to $ 84,000. We were then going to get the inside done through going to the austions as we know from experience u can get brand new stuff dirt cheap as companies have closed down etc. Do u think we r underestimating anything, and do u think it would be cheaper to get the whole house rendered by our m8 instead of paying top prices for face bricks??? All ideas would be greatly appreciated Oh and we have a family member who owns their own building bussiness so we r going to go to him to get the plans done properly etc which shouldnt cost anymore than say $4000 Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 2Mar 05, 2012 5:45 pm What about the frame and roof trusses ? Our Building on 118 acres in South Gippsland thread - https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=54556 Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 3Mar 05, 2012 6:11 pm drpopper What about the frame and roof trusses ? We got told all up it wouldnt cost anymore than $24000 for the roof including the materials and the trusses etc Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 4Mar 05, 2012 7:32 pm Hi Kate & Dave My advise is over estimate, we are currently owner building and all the small incidental things really add up over time. Eg: rubbish removal, extra tools you need when doing work yourself etc. We over estimated on lots of things which meant we had money for those extra things we forgot and were able to pick better finishes when we got to that part. Best of luck BLOG: thehousewebuilt2010.blogspot.com (And are still building!) Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 5Mar 05, 2012 7:35 pm kate and dave drpopper What about the frame and roof trusses ? We got told all up it wouldnt cost anymore than $24000 for the roof including the materials and the trusses etc Ummm the frame of the house I mean .... what's going to hold up the roof ? Our Building on 118 acres in South Gippsland thread - https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=54556 Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 6Mar 05, 2012 7:42 pm kate and dave I want to owner build as I know that we will get a bigger house for our buck. He is not so sure. "He may well be right. Ob'ing is not the be all and end all and most on here would be doing it to get a higher spec home or something a bit different from a regular display home design. OB'ing wont always save you money (and may in fact cost you a lot more) as you don't have the buying power that a builder has for both Trades and materials. Coupled with time overruns which result in hidden costs such as extra rent, interest payments on a loan etc. it can really add up. If you can find a design you like that suits your block you need to compare the cost of that to what it would cost you for the same thing. There are professional building estimators around that can price up your plans very accurately for you. (You need real plans though as it cant be done form a sketch on paper). It has also been mentioned elsewhere you will need a lot of equity (Cash in the bank) as Banks dont like lending large amounts to owner builders so may be something else you haven't thought of. I certainly don't want to put you off OB'ing as if you have the time to dedicate to the project it can be very rewarding. Just go in with your eyes open and explore all avenues kate and dave Oh and we have a family member who owns their own building business That to me seems a resource far too good to waste. Any reason you dont want them to do the build for you? https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=44762 My Owner builder journey extending a 1930's Bungalow Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 7Mar 05, 2012 7:44 pm drpopper Ummm the frame of the house I mean .... what's going to hold up the roof ? Bricks The OP is in WA where Double brick construction is the norm. Unlike the east where Brick veneer is more common https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=44762 My Owner builder journey extending a 1930's Bungalow Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 8Mar 05, 2012 8:07 pm docker_rob drpopper Ummm the frame of the house I mean .... what's going to hold up the roof ? Bricks The OP is in WA where Double brick construction is the norm. Unlike the east where Brick veneer is more common 13,000 bricks doesnt sound like enough bricks for a 300sqm double brick house Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 9Mar 05, 2012 9:11 pm docker_rob drpopper Ummm the frame of the house I mean .... what's going to hold up the roof ? Bricks The OP is in WA where Double brick construction is the norm. Unlike the east where Brick veneer is more common Yes we are thinking of double brick. Still trying to figure out tho if we will use Maxi bricks and get it rendered or use face bricks. Plus I have a m8 that have known for nearly 30 years who works for a major brick company and is pretty high up in the company so hoping to get a good deal with them! Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 10Mar 05, 2012 9:12 pm drpopper What about the frame and roof trusses ? Sorry now I know what u mean. Double brick for the frame!! Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 11Mar 05, 2012 9:14 pm kate and dave Oh and we have a family member who owns their own building business That to me seems a resource far too good to waste. Any reason you dont want them to do the build for you?[/quote] Yes I know but it finding the time to sit down and talk to them. Plus there an electrician in the family too, however my neice told me on friday she has been nagging them to do some work for her and finally got it done the other day after waiting for 6 months Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 12Mar 05, 2012 9:19 pm docker_rob kate and dave I want to owner build as I know that we will get a bigger house for our buck. He is not so sure. OB'ing wont always save you money (and may in fact cost you a lot more) as you don't have the buying power that a builder has for both Trades and materials. Coupled with time overruns which result in hidden costs such as extra rent, interest payments on a loan etc. it can really add up. It has also been mentioned elsewhere you will need a lot of equity (Cash in the bank) as Banks dont like lending large amounts to owner builders so may be something else you haven't thought of. I certainly don't want to put you off OB'ing as if you have the time to dedicate to the project it can be very rewarding. Just go in with your eyes open and explore all avenues? We lucky we purchase a block and built on it many years ago b4 the boom so have made a bit of money that way. So have paid for the block with cash and have aprox $100k left over so finance not a big thing atm. Am thinking tho might want to get a mortgage in the vacinity of $30,000 to get the extras etc Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 13Mar 06, 2012 12:50 am Hi K & D Just wondering if the sums above mean you are hoping to build a 300m2 house for around $130k. I'd double it, and then add a bit. You have missed out lots of items. The ones you mention are some of the big ticket items but there are plenty more and heaps of smaller items that will all add up. Added to that is the fact it's in a regional area so you will always pay more than metro area. Not trying to put you off but you need to be realistic. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 14Mar 06, 2012 8:21 am +1 to what Chippy said. There are literally hundreds of smaller expenses, including things like hardware, building materials, tools, rubbish disposal, temporary power pole and lots of other little stuff that all adds up quickly. I thought that the estimate that I put together for my extension and renovation was very comprehensive, but boy was I wrong. You mention $2000 for ceilings - have you included ceiling battens, batten screws, adhesive, panel lifter hire (if you hire one), clouts, the various different plastering products (base coat, top coat, etc), plastering tools, sand paper and sander, plus of course paint? It's all these little things that contribute towards the cost for these things. I also didn't see any mention of insulation, which I'm pretty sure is mandatory now. Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 15Mar 06, 2012 11:19 am Costs will entirely depend on how much time and effort you put into the build yourselves. Labour is a huge funds drain. But it can still be done cheaply if you have the time to spend on the build yourselves and sourcing your own materials. A very good exampe of this is a self build I followed on another forum ( http://www.byohouse.com.au/forum4/viewt ... ?f=5&t=626 ) where the total costs of the house and shed to move in stage was $76,500 for about 200 sq.m (from memory). These owner builders sourced a lot of their materials from eBay etc and did most of the work permited themselves (I think they paid a plasterer to do the gyprocking). Page three is a complete breakdown of costs - right down to bags of nails, paint and some plants for the garden. An excellent resource for OB's I think! Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 17Mar 06, 2012 1:02 pm I had forgotten she was on this forum! I've been hoping she would give us an update on her place after she moved in. (hint..hint Shelley if you're reading!) I'm really glad to have her costings - it will be of great use when I begin my own build. Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 18Mar 07, 2012 10:03 pm I also think you've underestimated your budget and really need to sit down and work out costs for absolutely everything that goes into the build. There are just so many little things and incidentals that go into it. For example the other day I had to pick up a weather seal for underneath our double front doors. Such a small thing that I wouldn't have thought to budget for but there went another $50 added on the bill. We have built the same size house than what your proposing - 300m2 single storey. We've splashed out on a few things like our windows and kitchen, but we have also done almost all the labour ourselves to reduce the cost. We were also able to get our bricks and paint at trade price as we had friends working in the business. We've still managed to spend $300k all up. If we had gone for the cheapest products we could find for fitting out the house I still don't think we could've done it for less than $200k and everything would probably break down/fall apart in a couple of years. From my experience it's really hard to get cheap prices on stuff as an owner builder. Plus there is SOOOOO much stuff you have to source and buy along the way it's so hard to shop around at a million places for each thing. That and the mental/emotional cost is HUGE!!!! All I can say is it's flippin' hard work!! Our owner-builder journey - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=45187 Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 19Mar 07, 2012 10:16 pm Also, just thought you may be interested in our roof price as we had a roof the same size as you're proposing and we're in perth. We got a bit of a shock when we started getting quotes, so we ended up getting HEAPS of quotes so we didn't get ripped off. Timber for roof (stick roof) - $14000 Steel beams for roof support, carport & verandah - $6000 Roof Carpenter - originally was $9000 but my DH took over the job before it was finished so we paid him $7000 Roof plumber including colourbond sheeting, gutters, anticon and labour to put it on - $20,000 Total roof cost - $47,000 That was the absolute cheapest we could get it after heaps of shopping around. Other quotes we got ranged from $60,000 up to $73,000. Our first quote was from a roofing company to do the timber frame and tin all in the one job. That was the $73,000 and totally freaked us out. We then broke it all down into the individual components and got it as cheap as we could. Our owner-builder journey - viewtopic.php?f=38&t=45187 Re: Hi all new to all this are we doing things right? 20Mar 07, 2012 10:58 pm as an OB significant savings can be had if you know where and how to look. It would probably be wise to budget at a per square metre rate to build your house and with decent quality without going over the top you wont get much change out of $900/sqm The DIY project can be broken into two major steps. Planning and Design and Construction. Both of these steps are as important as one another to ensure you give… 0 4520 Hi group, have some damage to the door frame and skirting board. It's a side door to the laundry area. Only has a security door. I had a termite inspection (note drill… 0 4130 0 884 |