Browse Forums Owner Builder Forum 1 Apr 23, 2010 8:36 pm Can anyone comment as per the value of the following quote for plans? STAGE 1: Sketch design and Planning approval o Client consultation and site visit o Sketch Drawings o Engineer’s contour plan o Site drainage plan o Planning drawings and council documentation o Encumbrance approval o Planning application fee to council TOTAL STAGE 1 INCLUDING GST $ 4400.00 • STAGE 2: Working Drawings and Documentation for construction o Working Drawings o Engineering documentation including - soil test - Footing design - Structural steel design o Timber framing layouts, tie down details and truss calculations o Private certifier Building Application fees o Construction Industry Training Board Levy o Energy rating Assessment TOTAL STAGE 2 INCLUDING GST $ 6820.00 I was supprised as to the amount of components required in a the planning. 71monaro Slab poured 21/04/2011 Frame finished 27/05/2011 Moved in 07/11/2011 Re: Drafting quote? 2Apr 23, 2010 9:11 pm We paid $3500 for working drawings with the builders draftie, we supplies sketch of the design, all soil tests, contour survey. Cheers Lou http://take2-customdesigndownslope.blogspot.com 07-10-09 omg they have cut the block 14-05-10 we finally have the keys Re: Drafting quote? 3Apr 23, 2010 9:17 pm thats too much for drafting, when people specify every single item like this, they are trying to make it sound like they are doing a lot of work when really they are not. This is so they can charge you more. Why split up cost. It has to all happen. They are probably thinking you will work out it is to expensive and leave half way. Re: Drafting quote? 4Apr 23, 2010 9:23 pm this is one area that has a huge range in quotes - it depends on whether you go with an architect or draftsman, size of house, number of changes that you make, materials you are using, your location, how much your designer can do/is qualified to do and how much needs to be done by others etc etc etc. I have heard some people getting away with only paying a couple of grand plus fees and others paying tens of thousands. Our designer charges a flat rate of $45 per square metre - regardless of how many consults or hours he spends - this includes site visits, initial sketches, final design - he also does the structural drawings, drainage and electrical drawings and then gives me 8 full copies of the working drawings. The extras were engineering - footings design and beams ($800), countour and soil test ($free because we got it when we bought the land), council fees ($1200). Good luck with everything!! Mel - jumping in feet first to my first owner build!! Land settled 12/08/09 Design finalised 21/01/10 OB permit 26/03/10 Re: Drafting quote? 5Apr 23, 2010 9:29 pm Design $5,000.00 - We gave him the design we wanted, he tweaked it. We got floor plan, elevations, cross section, site layout, landscape plan (which I put together, he just PDFed it) and window and door schedule (which we put together and he entered the values). House is 37 squares total. Soil Testing $308.00 Engineering $400.00 Energy Rating $140.00 Building Surveyor $1,862.60 - Includes levies etc Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Drafting quote? 6Apr 23, 2010 9:32 pm MelMan this is one area that has a huge range in quotes - it depends on whether you go with an architect or draftsman, size of house, number of changes that you make, materials you are using, your location, how much your designer can do/is qualified to do and how much needs to be done by others etc etc etc. I have heard some people getting away with only paying a couple of grand plus fees and others paying tens of thousands. Our designer charges a flat rate of $45 per square metre - regardless of how many consults or hours he spends - this includes site visits, initial sketches, final design - he also does the structural drawings, drainage and electrical drawings and then gives me 8 full copies of the working drawings. The extras were engineering - footings design and beams ($800), countour and soil test ($free because we got it when we bought the land), council fees ($1200). Good luck with everything!! is that per square or sqaure meter?? Re: Drafting quote? 7Apr 23, 2010 10:07 pm Per square metre!!! very expensive but he did the whole design and all structurals etc - he is award winning and very practical - he has probably saved us over $50k in building expenses because of the way he has designed the house - eg. we have open plan spanning 15m by 7m with ceilings ranging from 9foot to 15 foot and 5m wide sliding door openings etc and not one steel beam. We also had quite a tricky block with a significant slope (1:6) - so I figured I'd rather spend the money up front and get what I want and save on building costs than end up spending extra money on construction that I didn't need to. That's how I'm justifying it to myself anyway (I still need to convince myself!!) because I freak out every time I think about how much we have spent on the desing/drawings stage!!! Mel - jumping in feet first to my first owner build!! Land settled 12/08/09 Design finalised 21/01/10 OB permit 26/03/10 Re: Drafting quote? 8Apr 24, 2010 12:27 am The house is 2 story close on 300 m2. I supplied the draftsman my visio drawings to get quote on, and he comes highly recommended. But I will still get another quote I think. http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4893 ... youtb3.jpg Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Slab poured 21/04/2011 Frame finished 27/05/2011 Moved in 07/11/2011 Re: Drafting quote? 9Apr 24, 2010 10:19 am For us a single storey, 6.6 star rating on a level block cost under $2500 all up plus $2000 for the permits. We went to a draughsman with firm idea of what we wanted and drawings part completed. He charged per hour and we had 4 or 5 visits back and forward to produce the results. All drawings were on A3 so could be easily reproduced for the tradies and I got a copy of the cad files so thatI can modify and print off more if required. Re: Drafting quote? 10Apr 25, 2010 2:58 pm our house was pretty standard and reflected in the price we paid $800 for plans and $225 for 5 star report council fees were less then $500 and included all building inspections our building inspector said we didnt need engineers certificate for footings provided we done them to the depth he wanted and we didnt get a soil report done as he said it wasnt necessary so we saved $600 for engineer and $400 for soil test and we have passed all inspections to date. i guess its a very broad spectrum out there on who wants what and how it gets done i really dont know why some inspectors want the world and others are happy with australian standards personally i think there should be a national standard and shouldnt be more or less regardless of what council your with or who you use. stay safe happy building Re: Drafting quote? 11Apr 25, 2010 6:52 pm Having added up everything you have listed, our total cost inc GSt was about $6000. Have you gone to a Draftsman, or an Architect? Either way, he is slugging you (a lot) extra for things like soil tests, engineering, permits... Cream on his cake me thinks. If you haven't committed, move on.. If you are in Melb, PM me and I will supply you my guy's details. Plans Done Feb 2010 Permit Done 23 April. Set out Done. Scrape and Excavations Done. Footings Done May 10th. Now, to find a brickie.Got one! Sub-floor bricks & Garage Done - 13th June Sub-floor installed 28 June (?) Re: Drafting quote? 12Apr 25, 2010 6:56 pm We went to an architect and we paid similar to those fees. Our home is double storey with attic. We needed all of those tests etc for council and if I didnt pay him I would have paid someone else. Shop around but it doesnt seem unreasonable to me! Re: Drafting quote? 14Apr 26, 2010 12:27 am No, sorry, Melb here. Plans Done Feb 2010 Permit Done 23 April. Set out Done. Scrape and Excavations Done. Footings Done May 10th. Now, to find a brickie.Got one! Sub-floor bricks & Garage Done - 13th June Sub-floor installed 28 June (?) Re: Drafting quote? 16May 28, 2010 11:50 pm 71monaro Does anyone have any recomendations on a draftsman/drafting company in Adelaide? I'm planning on using HTP Drafting (Modbury) for our next build as their charges seem reasonable and they were very helpful with our current build even though someone else drew up our plans. Re: Drafting quote? 17Jul 16, 2010 10:16 pm Quote: Does anyone have any recommendations on a drafts man/drafting company in Adelaide? Im currently using gcc consulting pty ltd. Ive just got final development approval through them. Was very professional, patient (with all our changes), friendly and gave a good result at a good price. Give them a call and ask for Gianni. Re: Drafting quote? 19Aug 05, 2010 7:31 pm Hi I am just wondering if anyone could forward your draftsmen contact details. We are doing a lift and do in underneath and have just had a quote from a building designer for $23k. So we arenow looking for a drafstmen in Brisbane. Re: Drafting quote? 20Aug 29, 2010 11:40 am The best way to find someone to draft your plans is by word of mouth. A good set of plans can save you an absolute fortune. So spending $23,000 on a set of drawings if they are top quality should actually save you at least that amount of money in construction. If the drawings are top quality there will be no costly mistakes or misunderstandings during construction and therefore the project will run smoothly. You would be surprised at the amount of careless mistakes in some of the drawings I have seen. (my partner is in the building industry and i always get to see the plans he is working from which were drawn by others) For example, I always provide a concrete layout plan. Not just the external building line but the actual extent of the concrete slab with dimensions. This saves a lot of mistakes when it comes to setting out for the concrete slab. I don't believe it should be left up to the grano worker to figure out the size of the slab, there should be a separate drawing with dimensions already prepared but this is rarely provided as standard. (in WA we have lots of slab on ground) Some drafties charge more because they actually do the extra work (like me) but there are certainly some who charge more and don't do the extra work. You can generally get a gut feeling about them, the draftie should be able to show you examples of the drawings to be provided so you can see the amount of work that goes into them. The most common misconception I have to deal with in my line of work is that people think that because the drawings are done on the computer, that they are somehow drawn magically in an instant! Or that you can re-use drawings from other houses so you don't really have to draw them again. CAD drawing isn't actually a lot quicker than hand drawing ... you still have to draw every line of every page just about and every text note etc. What CAD does allow you to do is re-use the windows and doors so you dont have to draw those up for each job, and other objects like standard sink sizes etc. but that's not a big part of the drawing. There is still a great deal of drawing to be done which is different for every job, and its pretty much like hand drawn because you still actually have to create the lines etc. Unless of course you are lucky enough to have 3D CAD software which costs $8,000 - $10,000 and more by the time you include the add-on librarys you need to buy, then you can do the drawings much quicker, but you can't charge any less because you do the drawings quicker, because you have to keep spending a fortune each year to keep your fancy software up to date! With my CAD software a 400m2 house would take me about 50 hours work to complete the full set of working drawings, then about a further 10-12 hours for the engineering drawings. Then you have to include client meeting time, engineer meeting time (i provide structural drawings too and my engineer certifies the complete drawing set so i have at least two meetings with the engineer for each job) I do get to re-use a lot of of the engineering details, but even then there are always custom engineering details that need to be drawn for each job. I always provide at least 5 cross-section drawings sometimes more, as many as necessary so that there is no guesswork on site. I like to think that my work is at least as expert and specialised as a plumber or electrician, so i don't see why i should get paid any less than they do! I need to know more regulations that they do, I need to know the plumbing, electrical regulations pertaining to building and also the building code of australia, including energy efficiency compliance and also the various council building policies. With plumbers and electricians charging anything from $90 - $120 an hour these days here in Perth I don't see why I should be working for anything less than them. That's what I base my rates on anyway! So the best way to find a draftie is by word of mouth. If you can't do that then ask to see a sample of the drawings provided and see if you get a good feeling from the meeting. If you are in tune with it you will get a bad feeling if they are trying to rip you off and you will feel confident in them if they are OK, if you can't find a draftie by word of mouth then meet with a few of them and just go with your gut instinct. I hope this has been helpful! NB. 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