Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Feb 04, 2015 6:56 am Hi guys n gals, We will have NBN at our new home once completed and I am trying to work out how many points I will need for each room. I want to limit wireless connections (they are far too sow) and allow wired connections. I imagine 1 point to each bedroom would do but in the family room I will have TV, BlueRay, PlayStation and XBox. Do I need a point for each? So 4 points on the wall? What's the best place to locate the router/modem and still be able to gain wireless connections for portable devices? Cheers, Paul (& Lisa) Parkhill 36 by ClarendonHomes in Coomera Retreat H1 Build Thread And Blog Building Blogs List - Go Ahead And Add Yours!! Re: Data points how many do I need? 2Feb 04, 2015 9:33 am You have the option to run multiple points to where your TV/Bluray player/Xbox, but what's the typical way is to have a single point and a small switch to route to the other devices. There have been internet connected fridges, and the suggestion of all whitegoods eventually being net connected ! Personally I'd only consider the fridge if you are keen. As far as points to each bedroom, are you sure you want your kids to have net access behind their closed bedroom doors ? I think I'd be going wireless for them, and that way you can set up the access point to only connect their MAC addresses at times you configure them to. Stick the access point in the ceiling above the bedrooms. The Master bedroom, is a spot where you might want to have two wired points, one near the bed and the other up on the wall where you will probably put the TV so you can access internet tv. Access point location might be best in the ceiling to hide it, and you might need two of them, one for the kids, the other up other end of the house. The old saying "height is might" we have in amateur radio is true here too, less obstacles in the way in the house to block or restrict the signal. As you can see, wireless access points separate to the normal router. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Data points how many do I need? 3Feb 04, 2015 10:23 am I think the best minimum would be a network point in each room, 4 in the living room and possibly 2-4 in the Study. It would be ideal to have the switch & modem/router where all the cables return to (comms cupboard) and from there you can add an access point in the largest open area room (living room) for best coverage. Builder: Dennis Family Homes House: Hartley Facade: Provincial Suburb: Lyndhurst Moved in! http://cynash.blogspot.com Re: Data points how many do I need? 4Feb 04, 2015 10:52 am internet enabled fridges and washers are WiFi - they dont do anything that would benefit from a wired connection. as to limiting wireless - not much need these days. new protocols are faster. Speedtest on my phone from the loungeroom (router in garage) nets me 40-80Mbps. There is nothing i can do on my ipad, phone or laptop that needs a faster speed. Unless you need it for work i wouldnt obsess over limiting it so much. that said I would overdo the living areas get 50% more than you need now for expansion. get more in the study, but one in each bedroom (2-3 for master) is probably sufficient. Kids and the internet? They will access content despite whatever you do to limit it at home. Even more so. You have better outcomes by treating them as adults and teaching them about inappropriate content and how innapropriate content breeds innapropriate human beings. In this age of connectedness it is impossible to prevent your kids from seeing something inappropriate. There is nothing wrong being curious. You can always review history logs and determine if you need to have a serious conversation with your kids or not Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Data points how many do I need? 5Feb 04, 2015 2:27 pm Thanks guys. I'm wondering how "strings" work? Would it be cheaper for me to run strings so I can pull through cables later? Do these strings need to be in conduit? I am guessing so so they don't get snagged on anything in the wall / ceiling? Not too concerned about my kids as they are 17 and 19. I guess I should be more concerned about WHY they are still at home lmao. Cheers, Paul (& Lisa) Parkhill 36 by ClarendonHomes in Coomera Retreat H1 Build Thread And Blog Building Blogs List - Go Ahead And Add Yours!! Re: Data points how many do I need? 6Feb 04, 2015 2:48 pm Also I see people talking about cat5 and cat6. Do I need both? Cheers, Paul (& Lisa) Parkhill 36 by ClarendonHomes in Coomera Retreat H1 Build Thread And Blog Building Blogs List - Go Ahead And Add Yours!! Re: Data points how many do I need? 7Feb 04, 2015 2:51 pm Roomeat Thanks guys. I'm wondering how "strings" work? Would it be cheaper for me to run strings so I can pull through cables later? Do these strings need to be in conduit? I am guessing so so they don't get snagged on anything in the wall / ceiling? Not too concerned about my kids as they are 17 and 19. I guess I should be more concerned about WHY they are still at home lmao. Pull throughs require conduits. just get the house cabled as required. there will be one conduit for a pull through from the outside to the NBN termination device inside. That comes as part of the installation. As to why your kids are still at home - because its probably very nice at home Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Data points how many do I need? 8Feb 04, 2015 2:54 pm Oh also..... We are building a two storey home. NBN will be in garage. Should I run everything to a central location? I have a oversized garage so could probably install a cabinet to house everything, or run it all to the storage area under my stairs? What are "access points" why put them in the ceiling? Cheers, Paul (& Lisa) Parkhill 36 by ClarendonHomes in Coomera Retreat H1 Build Thread And Blog Building Blogs List - Go Ahead And Add Yours!! Re: Data points how many do I need? 9Feb 04, 2015 2:55 pm Roomeat Also I see people talking about cat5 and cat6. Do I need both? has to do with bandwidth. Cat5e as a minimum as current standards use it. i think it has theoretical bandwidth far exceeding what is currently available in Aus. Cat 6 and above (6e?) to future proof for the foreseeable future and if you have some significant need for ultra high bandwidth transfers around the house network. My view is go for cat 6 if the upgrade cost inst stupid. The retail difference in the cost of the cables on a per meter basis is very small, so if the difference is 2k for 50 meters of cables, tell them theyre dreaming. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Data points how many do I need? 10Feb 06, 2015 9:00 am I may have gone over board but I got Cat 6 in the entire house and have got 30 data points to entire house. 1 in each of 3 bedrooms, 4 in the master bedroom. 14 in the Theater room. 3 in the lounge room / kitchen. Also 1 behind the fringe and 1 in the butlers pantry. 4 at the study nook. With 2 some where else Also had the Theater room wired for 7.2.4 sound (atoms). Hnadover should be at the end of this month so looking forward it Re: Data points how many do I need? 11Feb 06, 2015 11:14 am Blish where did you run the cables back to? Cheers, Paul (& Lisa) Parkhill 36 by ClarendonHomes in Coomera Retreat H1 Build Thread And Blog Building Blogs List - Go Ahead And Add Yours!! Re: Data points how many do I need? 12Feb 06, 2015 12:39 pm A patch panel. When you get cabling done, you end up with a cabinet (usually a Hills Hub or the like) that includes the patch bay, room for NB provisions etc Or do you mean where they physically located the terminated cables? Standard is Garage. Some people prefer to put it in closets, linen cupboards etc. Mine is currently in the garage, which is dusty from wood work, so Will be doing it inside next time. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Data points how many do I need? 14Feb 06, 2015 3:02 pm goody59 30 data points. Wow. What did that roughly cost as an extra? you think that's excessive? theres a guy on here that's done like 90 or something. Total overkill. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Data points how many do I need? 15Feb 06, 2015 7:39 pm goody59 30 data points. Wow. What did that roughly cost as an extra? I can't really give a good quote on it because we got a lot of extra power points and ceiling fans put in but it was about an extra $13k. Also it all goes back to a cabinet in the garage. Should be done by the end of the month. If anyone knows of a good electrician and tv antenna person who hang Tv's in the Officer area of Victoria please let me know. Re: Data points how many do I need? 16Feb 11, 2015 10:42 pm We had 29 runs in total, which all terminated in the cupboard under the stairs to a patch panel. Incoming internet is to garage I also think that internet appliances aren't worth cabling as the bandwidth they use will be low enough for WiFi to handle. You probably want at least 2 runs to each TV point though, as Higher Def TV may require multiple cables to provide sufficient bandwidth We also had cable to the doorbell, phone locations (we use VoIP) and security cameras If you are terminating to a central location, ensure there's enought ventilation as the equipment (network switch, NAS server etc) can generate heat. Also don't forget to get power points installed for the extra equipment As for Cat 5e vs 6, they are both rated for 1 gigabit ethernet. Cat 6 isn't rated for 10 gigabit ethernet, but *may* work. Cat 6 costs marginally more than Cat 5e, and Cat 6 is probably the best in terms of bang for buck. Cat 7 is just too expensive at the moment. Edit: Forgot add, cost. Budget between $90-$120 per Cat 6 run Re: Data points how many do I need? 17Feb 12, 2015 4:37 pm Stick with Cat6 cabling, I dont know anyone who uses cat5e on new installs anymore. As stated above wireless is getting better and better. I would run a minimum of a few runs to the main areas where you will have the likes of a TV (Smart TV), home computer and the opposite end of the house. As for the NBN, have a cabinet installed to house all the hardware. It keeps it neat and protected. These are normally mounted in the garage. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Built Boards NBN Enclosure Re: Data points how many do I need? 18Feb 14, 2015 1:50 am Hi. Ideally it is good to have data service going to every room, compared to having no data access. You can either run one point and have multiple devices running off it via a switch, however dedicated data points for each device will make for a more reliable connection, for an example in theatre rooms many people opt to get 2, 3 or 4 data points The difference between CAT5 and CAT6 is how it's constructed and difference in reliability in carrying various bandwidth. CAT6 is the better choice for data cabling Antenna Direct Perth www.antennadirect.com.au 0423919037 Get your home NBN Ready Smart Wiring and Structured Cabling in Perth Antenna Installations | TV Wall Mounting | Data Cabling HD Security Camera Systems / CCTV Re: Data points how many do I need? 19Feb 14, 2021 1:05 am BJ88 Hi. Ideally it is good to have data service going to every room, compared to having no data access. You can either run one point and have multiple devices running off it via a switch, however dedicated data points for each device will make for a more reliable connection, for an example in theatre rooms many people opt to get 2, 3 or 4 data points The difference between CAT5 and CAT6 is how it's constructed and difference in reliability in carrying various bandwidth. CAT6 is the better choice for data cabling I know I am replying on a exactly 6 yr old post. Hoping someone will reply. I still dont get it need for so many data points. My assumption is as long as there is one downstairs and one at 1st floor, you are well connected for wifi devices to connect. If your NBN speed is good, even running multiple devices via switch should not be of much problem. Am I wrong with that thinking? What all need to be connected to data points in a theatre room? Re: Data points how many do I need? 20Feb 17, 2021 7:09 pm amsaini15 BJ88 Hi. Ideally it is good to have data service going to every room, compared to having no data access. You can either run one point and have multiple devices running off it via a switch, however dedicated data points for each device will make for a more reliable connection, for an example in theatre rooms many people opt to get 2, 3 or 4 data points The difference between CAT5 and CAT6 is how it's constructed and difference in reliability in carrying various bandwidth. CAT6 is the better choice for data cabling I know I am replying on a exactly 6 yr old post. Hoping someone will reply. I still dont get it need for so many data points. My assumption is as long as there is one downstairs and one at 1st floor, you are well connected for wifi devices to connect. If your NBN speed is good, even running multiple devices via switch should not be of much problem. Am I wrong with that thinking? What all need to be connected to data points in a theatre room? Nothing beats a physical connection for reliability. Any device that stays put and is data heavy should be wired its that simple. Wifi; - So something like 300Mpbs is heaps for stream until you have 2 TVs streaming, and someone working from home doing video conferencing, and 20 internet of things hanging of its side. - Wifi slows down with coverage, while you get 300 Mpbs sitting next to it you go on the otherside of a wall it slows down or the 5GHz actually doesn't work so it flicks to the 2.4GHz band and slows down even further. - Cops interference, the central router in our place is on one side of the kitchen a streaming Tv is on the other, if someone uses a microwave the wifi chromecast dies, i actually had a data point so this was solved with a wired chromecast. - Most consumer MESH WIFI routers only have 2 radios so at best you get 50% speed out of the box off the second point, and it gets worse if a few devices add on. At a minimum wired data to any TV location, each room just in case, any location for a planned desk, all security cameras, and points that mesh devices will sit. Ideally i wouldn't have switching hubs behind TVs or in Studies it really should be pulled back so a TV these days should have 4 points minimum, 1 for amp, 1 for casting device (or future when smart TV is dumb), 1 for TV, 1 for gaming console. If you're referring to Eufy homebase, then just put a switch between a datapoint and put the homebase elsewhere near another device in your home unless you want teh… 9 13931 Scientists have used random matrix theory to demonstrate theoretically that the neutrino mass hierarchy can be explained mathematically. When a substance is fragmented… 21 20849 I would never build with Fowler homes. I built with them in 2021 and till date maintenance issues are pending. All their existing trades and businesses don't work with… 14 107948 |