Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Nov 18, 2014 1:50 pm Hey guys. Just want to know, a couple of things. Where do most builders put the connections for the fiber router in the garage I believe? Then do you just have the fiber router sitting in the garage or inside somewhere? For wireless do you just have a separate wireless modem set up somewhere in the house? Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 2Nov 18, 2014 2:02 pm I learned this is a pain. The fibre is connected to a patch panel in the garage (unless requested for the panel to be installed elswhere). Your router then needs to be connected to the NBN device that gets installed in the patch panel cabinet. if thats a wireless router, your signal will be coming from the garage. You then have your router's cables attached to the patch bay for the various connections data points you've connected around the house. Unless you've thought about your network needs prior the contract and house design, youre pretty limited in where the gear gets installed and thus how you patch AFAIK. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 3Nov 18, 2014 2:12 pm Well what I am getting done is A data point and powerpoint in the linen closet for a wireless router that is hidden and central to the house I will have data points in bedrooms for computers Builders put the router/switch fiber devices in the FTTH cabinet correct? Where is the FTTH cabinet typically located? Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 4Nov 18, 2014 2:13 pm This is a guess, as we don't have NBN and I think NBN is the only way you're getting fibre all the way to your house ... However, we have cable, and the builder's electrician ran (1) a Cat 6 Ethernet cable from the cupboard we chose to the side of the house near the electricity meter, (2) a coax cable from the cupboard we chose to the side of the house near the electricity meter, (3) a coax cable from the ceiling cavity to the side of the house near the electricity meter, (4) a coax cable from the ceiling to the cupboard we chose, (5) two coax cables from the ceiling to TV point 1, (6) two coax cables from the ceiling to TV point 2, Additionally, we paid extra to run: (7) Ethernet from our cupboard to TV point 1, (8) Ethernet from out cupboard to TV point 2. I suspect that with fibre internet access, your internet provider will run the cable to a new box they will install on the side of the house near the electricity meter. We have cable internet, and that's what they did for us. Then for you they will use #1. For us they used #2. Our aerial installer used one of the #5's and one of the #6's. If you're getting Foxtel, I think they install a box and use #2 plus #3, and then use one of the #5's and one of the #6's. Your wireless access point goes inside the cupboard I mentioned - this may vary between builders, they may not give you that choice. I wanted to do that, so I could then have wired internet access behind the two TV's as well as wireless. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 5Nov 18, 2014 2:40 pm ok so No computer devices either wired or wireless get connected to any fiber devices that are in the FTTH cabinet correct? My separate wireless router/switch I purchase connects the wired and wireless devices only if Im understanding this correctly Therefore, there will be one main data point thats connected to the wireless router ( eg linen closet ) and if I have additional data points for TV's and desktop computers, example 3 of those. The main data point would need 4 connected wouldnt it? 3 for the additional data points and 1 to connect the wireless router to the FTTH cabinet device am I right? Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 6Nov 18, 2014 4:06 pm Drekko ok so No computer devices either wired or wireless get connected to any fiber devices that are in the FTTH cabinet correct? My separate wireless router/switch I purchase connects the wired and wireless devices only if Im understanding this correctly Therefore, there will be one main data point thats connected to the wireless router ( eg linen closet ) and if I have additional data points for TV's and desktop computers, example 3 of those. The main data point would need 4 connected wouldnt it? 3 for the additional data points and 1 to connect the wireless router to the FTTH cabinet device am I right? No. the fibre is connected to the cabinet via the Network Termination Device (the NBN "Modem") which is installed when NBN Co. come. This has 4 ports on it. Each port is for a separate possible incoming fiber connection. You then connect one of the out ports (usually corresponding to an inport your fiber is connected to) to your router via a Ethernet cable. if you want a "main" Ethernet port somewhere in your house, you can do that, but you need to have the cablers install this, however because your router is your network's "brain" youre going to have to run a cable back tyo the cabinet from teh router if youre looking to use th eother data points connecetd around the house. Th eproblem with this set up is it a lot is screwing around as you cabinet will likley have 8 ports that you can have conncted to 8 pots around the house. You should just connect your router in the cabinet to your patch bay for a connection to your data points. If you want to then extend the signal or ports from another data point in your house, you can do that without running a cable from your "main" port back to your patch bay in the cabinet. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 7Nov 18, 2014 4:09 pm i would recommend getting a router that has as many ports as you have isntalled data points and patching them inside the cabinet. Extend the wireless from one of the data points in the house that isnt being used via wireless router. This will cost you the price of another router rather than running cables necessarily and getting weird set ups cabled into your home Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 8Mar 09, 2015 9:35 pm Hi Ponzu, Thanks for your contribution to this thread. I think I am finally starting to understand it. I initially thought the wireless router would need to be located next to the NBN box in which case the garage wouldn't be the optimum location. As a result during our electrical appointment, I asked for the NBN box to be located in the Butlers pantry. If we follow you recommendation above and the 2 routers (1 just after the NBN Box and the other at the end of a data point in the home to provide wifi coverage, the I guess we should relocate the NBN box to the garage as it will be out of the way and free up the pantry for its intended purpose. Do you agree? Couple of other questions if I may: 1- if you dont currently have the NBN service available, will other service providers (say Optus) be able to use the NBN hardware to install their broadband service? 2- I hear may references to the Hills Hub, is this just one version of what they call a patch panel? Cheers Michael ------------------------------------------- Build Thread - Mainvue Emporio ER430 KDR https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76790&p=1332227&hilit=mainvue#p1332227 Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 9Mar 10, 2015 3:04 pm 1 -no. The nbn hardware is nbn specific. It wont be installed if you cant get nbn. 2 -yes Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 10Mar 10, 2015 3:05 pm Also I agree keeping the nbn hardware in the garage. Unless you uave a store room in the house. Dont put it in the pantry. Thats a terrible place for it. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 11Mar 10, 2015 3:28 pm We have our NBN patch panel in the garage. There is no router or modem etc in the garage, just a panel with various cables going in and out. In our pantry (which is central to the house) we have two data points, one going in and one going back out and the router is connected to these. This means our wireless signal is central and easy for all to access. We got our smart wiring company to do all this. They installed the correct cabling for it. My build: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=68002 Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 12Mar 10, 2015 3:36 pm Ponzu 1 -no. The nbn hardware is nbn specific. It wont be installed if you cant get nbn. 2 -yes Thanks Ponzu, The NBN website advises that the NBN is yet to be rolled out to my area. Next step is to determine when they expect to service the area. In the event that the NBN wont be rolled out for some time, assume we will need whichever broadband provider we select, to connect their service into the garage given this is where all the data points terminate (please correct me if I am wrong). If the NBN PCD box on the side of the house (which I assume has conduit that connects into the garage) cannot be used, how will the service provider connect their service into the garage? Should I be running a separate conduit for this just in case? Cheers Michael ------------------------------------------- Build Thread - Mainvue Emporio ER430 KDR https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76790&p=1332227&hilit=mainvue#p1332227 Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 13Mar 14, 2015 12:04 am Hi. Technically the NBN "Box", which is called a NTD (Network Termination Device) can be anywhere in the house where there is a data point that is a part of a structured cabling system but this is not ideal. The reason it is in the garage most of the times is because it is the most convenient place. The patch panel where all your data cables in your house lead to does not have to be in the same place as the NBN NTD. A Good example is on a job we did on a double story house, it was much more convenient for future access to have the Patch Panel and all the data cables leading into an upstairs utility room, the garage had a data point so in the future the NTD could be in the garage and connect to the homes cabling system via that data point. The router was inside the patch panel and distributed the NBN service to the rest of the data points from here onwards. MichaelQ in the scenario you describe a separate conduit will have to be run or any other means to get the Fibre from the side of the house to your garage, but this is the reason why when you build a new house you have a comms conduit that goes up your external wall to your garage, this is where the Fibre cable will run through from your PCD at the side of your house to the NTD so this will always be possible. Antenna Direct Perth www.antennadirect.com.au 0423919037 Get your home NBN Ready Smart Wiring and Structured Cabling in Perth Antenna Installations | TV Wall Mounting | Data Cabling HD Security Camera Systems / CCTV Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 14Mar 14, 2015 11:29 pm Thanks BJ, In your example, assume the NTD was connected to the Patch Panel in the utility room via a single data cable. Would this not reduce the capacity to all the data points connecting into the patch panel? cheers Michael ------------------------------------------- Build Thread - Mainvue Emporio ER430 KDR https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76790&p=1332227&hilit=mainvue#p1332227 Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 15Mar 15, 2015 9:19 am MichaelQ Thanks BJ, In your example, assume the NTD was connected to the Patch Panel in the utility room via a single data cable. Would this not reduce the capacity to all the data points connecting into the patch panel? cheers Michael Its the same set up as if the ntd was in the garage with the patch panel. One cable goes from the ntd to the patch panel in all cases (unless you have arranged for multiple nbn accounts the ntd will has 4 outs) . What was described is just an alternative placement . Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 16Mar 15, 2015 9:16 pm Thanks Ponzu ------------------------------------------- Build Thread - Mainvue Emporio ER430 KDR https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76790&p=1332227&hilit=mainvue#p1332227 Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 17Mar 17, 2015 6:06 am *sigh* So confusing.. we have data points throughout the house and the hub in the garage, as per the apparent norm, and I was just going to have the nbn modem/router there in the garage and then the data lines attached to that. Question: Is each data point in the house a completely separate cable that terminates in the garage (in most cases)? or is it like one big loop and only one terminating cable in the garage? If we have 8 data points, would that mean we would need a router or switch in the garage that has 8 output ports? Paddington 29 @ Blue Horizon Estate (Lot 105, Wattleridge Crescent, North Kellyville) Our Build Progress Blog: http://light487.wordpress.com/ Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 18Mar 17, 2015 7:58 am http://www.howtogeek.com/99001/htg-expl ... -switches/ Separate cables terminating in the bay in the garage. A diagram in the article above will explain the rest. It shouldn't be confusing (at least for a home network), you just need to do a little more reading. Networking is a series of logical steps. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Fiber internet with wifi in new house 19Mar 18, 2015 12:31 pm Hi Im about to meet my builders electrician tomorrow and would like to know if my network layout is correct based on what I read in this forum. 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