Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 May 06, 2008 4:48 pm AAAAAAARRGHHHHH......
Suggestions would be welcomed. Thinking about upgrading the idiot box for something a bit more space aged. Also would make a nice 40th present for me.........and the family apparently Box will live in family room, and will play free to air TV and Thomas the Tank engine DVD's primarily. Not a dedicated room, so there will be lights on, sunlight etc while viewing. Box will live on a TV unit that houses amp etc. Not wall mounted as we move the room around occasionally. No pay tv at the moment and probably not in the future. When the kids are in bed, the odd movie will get a belting. I have 5.1 amp, speakers etc set up so that's not a big issue.....hopefully. I am a little concerned about the cost of running a plasma, any clues on what they cost extra per week/month/year? LCD refresh rate may also be an issue, drives me nuts watching the footy on FIL's big screen and the greens are all pixelated. A google search reveals plenty of different opinions....just making it all the more confusing. http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com.au/ http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.as ... tid=100008 http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.as ... tid=100008 Help Finished venting....ignore me if you wish. Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 2May 06, 2008 5:09 pm There has been quite a bit of discussion on this before.
Try looking at this, it may help or just do your head in even more https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=1977 Cheers 'chelle We have a hand-over date...15/10...but I won't hold my breath! http://people-in-glass-houses.blogspot.com/ Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 3May 06, 2008 6:56 pm Al,
Simple tip! Forget the costs to run argument ... it is ridiculous. Go to your local store that sells lots of TV's and go and stand in front of a few different sizes and technologies. Personally for me a Samsung 42" plasma for under $1500 is the way to go... but you might like the 50". It is each to their own when it comes to displays...there are no rules. What I like (think looks good) may not be right for you. Just buy the one you like the look of the most...simple! Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 4May 06, 2008 10:15 pm thats exactly what we did....picked out the one with the nice picture at "the good guys"
salesman tried to "sell us" the tv me to salesman... " dont worry about selling it to us..we will take it" salesman...oh ok! retravision are advertising friday saturday sale "store cost plus 5%" does anyone know what the average mark up on cost is for retailers? may be it is 5%...I am feeling suspiscious about so called sales Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 5May 06, 2008 10:31 pm Our decision was even simpler than picking one that we thought was the nicest looking.
We walked into the TV section and I swear the TV said "Buy me, buy me!" And the price was within our budget, and the size fit into our space and there was no time like the present. [sneakersss] Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 6May 06, 2008 10:38 pm zonk thats exactly what we did....picked out the one with the nice picture at "the good guys" salesman tried to "sell us" the tv me to salesman... " dont worry about selling it to us..we will take it" salesman...oh ok! retravision are advertising friday saturday sale "store cost plus 5%" does anyone know what the average mark up on cost is for retailers? may be it is 5%...I am feeling suspiscious about so called sales Not sure if Matt's around but he gave me this advice about a week ago....talking about why a salesman was more interested in selling me Home Theatre in a Box than a plasma itself... mattwalker TDL, The biggest reason for the add on sale is the commission. Every man and his dog sells plasma TV's and there is no Margin left most of the time. It is not unusual to make less than $100 on a TV that costs in excess of $3000. However if you sell a HTIB (Home theatre in a box) for around $700 you most likely will make $250 to $300 out of this alone not to mention the $50 out of the $120 m*nster cable etc etc. As a retail salesperson who spent nearly 15 years on the front line and senior management the add on sales are what counts towards your GP not the volume sellers like plasma's etc. If you sell the tv you make say 3% on the entire sale... If you sell the the TV, HTIB and Cable you make 12%... I know what I wanted to percent I always wanted to earn my commission on ... mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 7May 06, 2008 11:10 pm ok, so I am in the market for a plasma most to spend 2000, westinghouse gas wall oven with seperate grill(1200) and a butterfly canopy rangehood cheap brand lofra (600) and a low line TV stand thing (400.00) or maybe 2 of these
total sale 4600....what discount should I expect of the retailer for bundling? perhaps a free TV stand or 2? Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 8May 06, 2008 11:28 pm zonk ok, so I am in the market for a plasma most to spend 2000, westinghouse gas wall oven with seperate grill(1200) and a butterfly canopy rangehood cheap brand lofra (600) and a low line TV stand thing (400.00) or maybe 2 of these total sale 4600....what discount should I expect of the retailer for bundling? perhaps a free TV stand or 2? Can't hurt asking....on a separate but related note...by brother's house came with a HTIB and plasma package....he wanted a modern TV unit for it and picked up a $300 to $400 retail three shelf glass unit about 2 metres wide....he paid $99 at Hardly Normal. It was damaged stock....the only thing wrong with it was a tiny chip at the back of one of the shelves, which is against a wall so you can't see it. Everything else is perfect....I've actually eye-balled it and can't see any other faults. Something to keep in mind but would only recommend it if you can do a full inspection prior to buying....to make sure there's no bits missing. Apologies to _AL_ for going OT......my brother's TV is a Panasonic Viera it's not Full HD but just HD...I'm thinking about this one it's got a very nice picture...but as has been said before buy what you reckon looks best. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 9May 07, 2008 8:29 am 'chelle Try looking at this, it may help or just do your head in even more https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=1977 Cheers I read that thread first and a few others after a search....hence the head doinginness. mattwalker Al, Simple tip! Forget the costs to run argument ... it is ridiculous. Go to your local store that sells lots of TV's and go and stand in front of a few different sizes and technologies. Personally for me a Samsung 42" plasma for under $1500 is the way to go... but you might like the 50". It is each to their own when it comes to displays...there are no rules. What I like (think looks good) may not be right for you. Just buy the one you like the look of the most...simple! Fair enough. Guess I'm off browsing then. And when I think about it, with amp, sub and existing TV it would add up anyway. ANd you only get a power bill every few months, so the pain is sharp but only for a short time Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 10May 07, 2008 8:51 am Hey _AL_
Just to confuse you totally... http://www.dtvforum.info/index.php?s=25b4d7641e30fd9e0f4f04d0e22aef3e&showforum=6 BTW, I went with the 50" Samsung Plasma & no complaints here... http://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=6482 Mike. My Blog... http://ahouseonthehill.blogspot.com/ Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 11May 07, 2008 3:43 pm I know they are pricey but you really can't beat Pioneer for plasma's. They come with 5 year warranty and they install it for you (they even hooked up our foxtel and surround sound system). We got the 50" for our living room and mounted it on the wall.....love love love it!! Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 12May 07, 2008 7:38 pm Hi Jac.
I know you believe that (that you can't beat Pioneer plasmas), and that's great. You certainly are correct in proclaiming that they come with a great warranty. But I don't agree with the notion that the Pioneer plasmas can't be beaten. For my eyes (and I've been looking very closely at all of these types of devices for years now - from back in the days when an LG SD 42" plasma with no tuner was $8000) I've not seen any current Pioneer plasma that suggested it was any better than equivalent models from the likes of say Panasonic, Samsung or Sony. I'm not saying the Pioneer ones are not as good either. As Matt was saying, it's in the eye of the beholder and really a matter of taste (I've stood next to someone who was trying to convince me that the brand A plasma we were looking at "CLEARLY" gave a better picture than the brand B one in front of us, when I honestly thought the win clearly went the other way...). I think Missy's attitude is right on too. As long as you think it looks good and fits the criteria like what she used, that's the one for you. Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 13May 07, 2008 9:07 pm Rodda As Matt was saying, it's in the eye of the beholder and really a matter of taste (I've stood next to someone who was trying to convince me that the brand A plasma we were looking at "CLEARLY" gave a better picture than the brand B one in front of us, when I honestly thought the win clearly went the other way...). actually its not really in the eye of the beholder. Most of these things can be measured, or at least critically reviewed by those who know what they are looking for and know what makes an accurate image. now people might think they prefer an image that isn't accurate, and people are very susceptible to clever marketing in the showroom by manufacturers to make their set stand out from the others (i.e. boosted contrast and colour saturation) but the reality is these things don't make for a good picture or a better set than the one next to it. In some ways its like Bose - people think its good gear, its small and 'sounds good, really good bass' - but in reality those in the know are aware that it is overpriced and just really well marketed. There certainly are differences between different brands of Plasma, at the upper end there may not be as much in it, particularly for the untrained eye, but it is unquestionably there. The trouble is that people don't know how to evaluate what makes a good image, and the showroom is typically the worst place to evaluate the real potential of a display. Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 14May 07, 2008 11:06 pm pasey25 actually its not really in the eye of the beholder. Most of these things can be measured, or at least critically reviewed by those who know what they are looking for and know what makes an accurate image. now people might think they prefer an image that isn't accurate, and people are very susceptible to clever marketing in the showroom by manufacturers to make their set stand out from the others (i.e. boosted contrast and colour saturation) but the reality is these things don't make for a good picture or a better set than the one next to it. In some ways its like Bose - people think its good gear, its small and 'sounds good, really good bass' - but in reality those in the know are aware that it is overpriced and just really well marketed. There certainly are differences between different brands of Plasma, at the upper end there may not be as much in it, particularly for the untrained eye, but it is unquestionably there. The trouble is that people don't know how to evaluate what makes a good image, and the showroom is typically the worst place to evaluate the real potential of a display. Errrr... and .... Ok now I am confused!!! Pasey whilst what you have said is basically true....what is the point of the statements? Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 15May 08, 2008 8:37 am Pasey.
---> " There certainly are differences between different brands of Plasma, at the upper end there may not be as much in it, particularly for the untrained eye, but it is unquestionably there. The trouble is that people don't know how to evaluate what makes a good image, and the showroom is typically the worst place to evaluate the real potential of a display. " I never said there were no differences, in fact my comments illustrated quite clearly that there were. I'm refuting the notion that one brand produces a better picture than the rest - that is the point that is subjective, or in other words "in the eye of the beholder". Accurate is actually a term that is generally not used to describe picture as a whole. You wouldn't really use the word accurate when describing picture qualities like contrast or brightness for example. It's usually only used when describing colour - that is an aspect where manufacturers do strive for accuracy (because accuracy or something very close to it is something that can actually be attained). For the other aspects its a case of basically just getting the best result they can from the technology (eg. blacks and low-level or shadow detail are areas where we are still not yet at nirvana - that's a bit of a way off yet). However, the picture these devices produce, the good ones anyway, is now a very, very good standard, and with the added fact that they are a lot more affordable than they were a few years ago makes them a very good TV purchase prospect. And, they are all better than whatever the 'best' was a few years ago, so what was (considered) 'accurate' then? I'm guessing nothing was. Whether people fall in love with one the second they see it in the showroom, or if they spend some time calibrating them (as much as you can in a showroom) and comparing like models, there is always the chance that the customers' own subjective judgement will have some baring on which TV they want to give over their hard-earned for. If a shop sells brand A and brand B and the customer loves brand A with a passion (and will in ALL likeliness continue to love it after they get it home), who are we to tell them they are flat out wrong? Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 16Jun 25, 2008 3:10 pm Another vote here for the Pioneer
I install quite a few media centre systems around the place, nothing like these AV dudes here Im sure and I get to see quite a few systems. But I still think the Pioneer cant be beat. For colour depth and for motion... But thats just my 2c PS: LCD Sux (IMHO Of Course) Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 17Jun 30, 2008 11:18 pm For anyone concerned about how much power some of these beasts pull, the following is quite interesting:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-2.html Especially check out the chart on page two giving model - power costs. Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves. - Dale Carnegie Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 19Jul 02, 2008 10:07 pm People go about this the wrong way... You shouldn't be looking so much for Plasma Vs LCD... As you get some companies that make awesome plasmas ie Panasonic and Pioneer, then you get some awful ones like LG and Samsung.... The same goes for LCD; there are bad and there are good
Then some people make awesome LCDs like Sharp, and Sharp But really I ultimately I would go with Plasma again and again and again; but then again we also have a couple of LCDs around too Re: Doing my head in....LCD vs Plasma 20Jul 03, 2008 9:42 am Hey Drew, what makes you say that the Samsung plasmas are aweful (even the new LG Scarlets are supposed to be OK)? Have you had a look at one recently, like within the last year or so?
Their LCDs happen to look pretty good - IMHO - and are extremely popular (as are their plasmas). My memory of Sharp LCDs is that they didn't impress me much at all. The reality is, as I've stated before in this forum, that this really is subject to a large amount of personal taste. To counter your initial argument, I still think the original question/argument posed by this thread is more relavent than the 'one brand is better than another' one. I'll look into different shower heads and ask the plumber about some engineering and see what he says. Thanks 2 9564 If you can calculate the reasonable charged head from let's say 100mm below the gutter to the top of where the vertical riser's horizontal discharge pipe will be, that… 11 17530 The DIY project can be broken into two major steps. Planning and Design and Construction. Both of these steps are as important as one another to ensure you give… 0 5172 |