Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 41Jul 04, 2012 3:12 pm This is true and i hadnt thought of it that way. At the end of the day it is a computer network which is used to transfer data of whatever sort is needed. Just in my case i have the NBN already installed. Hopefully its as good as they claim it is. I am sure it will only get better from here though
Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 43Jul 04, 2012 3:30 pm BradS I put that up as Wimmer had said what i got was more hard wiring and not NBN. When in fact i believed they went hand in hand. Looks like i was pretty much correct. I just wished i had a lot more of an understanding of it all as i am sure i have left stuff out that i would make good use of had i known it was there from the start. Sorry for any confusion. Just wanted to point out that you didn't pay $4500 for NBN connection, you in fact got structured wiring + NBN connection. They can be done completely separately. This is a pretty good summary actually: cinder Well you can have structured cabling/smart wiring without the NBN (like most of us), it will just be working with the current infrastructure, that is ADSL2+ and the like (slower speeds). So I will be getting it in an attempt to future proof, but won't be able to utilise its full potential until the NBN comes to my area. Like many of us, a home network/LAN is great for not only sharing internet access, but also for local content, like streaming all those media files around to XBMC clients! NBN in many cases will introduce higher broadband speeds, and later VOIP services. You don't have to have structured wiring for this - you can use wireless, and even powerline adapters (plugs that put ethernet connections over your electrical circuits). But it's generally agreed that wired connections are far better, as they don't suffer the re-transmissions and interference that is inherent in wireless (which gives you the buffering, as packets are lost or garbage and need to transmit again - yuk!). JMAP Forget 30mm holes - 25 max but most only like to make multiple 20mm holes. HDMI head fits (tight) in a 25mm hole but you wont get anything else in there once thats in. Only other alternative is to have them drill the noggins and plates and install draw cables. My only worry with this approach is that if they botch it up, they MIGHT give you a credit but it is such a pain in the a## to get the cable in there if it falls through. I just don't trust anyone to be honest when it comes to this - if you get them to rough in the cable, you run no risk of the cable not being there when you knock the hole in the wall IMO You also want to run your surround sound cabling at the same time. one work of advise, think about your mid range speakers (middle sides) if your going to have wall mounted, floor standing or roof mounting. I made the mistake of going roof even though mine are wall hanging. now I will have to run some ugly tracks or figure something out. not happy! Guilty as charged on the XBMC nut JMAP! We love it for all our tv/movie viewing. Apple TVs are nice and small & silent, and get great WAF too! Hmm, roughing in cables sounds great, just depends on price and if they will allow it. Got a feeling doing a volume build they won't be too flexible in things like that :\ Time will tell. Have to speak to some recent Metricoin builders, and get their experience. Surround sound will go in too, and they may have to do that. I only have nice wharfedale fronts for now, but do have a satellite set also for surrounds. They're fine, but will plan carefully and buy accordingly. Sorry you had issues there! Cheers. Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 44Jul 04, 2012 3:37 pm I have re-sent it JMAP, accidentally sent it to Wimma My Hamptons build (completed): viewtopic.php?f=31&t=63370 Moved in Wednesday 11th Dec 2013 Front landscaping completed June 2016 Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 45Jul 04, 2012 4:17 pm Wimma Guilty as charged on the XBMC nut JMAP! We love it for all our tv/movie viewing. Apple TVs are nice and small & silent, and get great WAF too! Hmm, roughing in cables sounds great, just depends on price and if they will allow it. Got a feeling doing a volume build they won't be too flexible in things like that :\ Time will tell. Have to speak to some recent Metricoin builders, and get their experience. Surround sound will go in too, and they may have to do that. I only have nice wharfedale fronts for now, but do have a satellite set also for surrounds. They're fine, but will plan carefully and buy accordingly. Sorry you had issues there! Cheers. XBMC - gods gift to home automation (and the tight a##es that dont want to spend money!!) I have found in the last 3-4 months that if you have an Android phone; browse to a youtube video, hit share and xbmc will show up as an option. hit yes and it will start playing on the last connect TV. Kids love this for watching music video clips (and for my mates to show me the most random crap on the net!) Regarding the rough in, I almost signed with Metricoin originally and spoke to them about this. they were not keen on me doing the work myself (as your not licensed - my argument was that you dont need to be but that is a separate discussion!). There prices from memory were not as bad as I expected from memory - I would though be interested in knowing the difference in pricing between roughing in or running the conduit Good luck with the negotiations! Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 46Jul 04, 2012 5:45 pm JMAP Regarding the rough in, I almost signed with Metricoin originally and spoke to them about this. they were not keen on me doing the work myself (as your not licensed - my argument was that you dont need to be but that is a separate discussion!). Are you referring to running conduits or cables? You do need to be licensed to run data cables. Paul Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 47Jul 04, 2012 9:09 pm paulw11 JMAP Regarding the rough in, I almost signed with Metricoin originally and spoke to them about this. they were not keen on me doing the work myself (as your not licensed - my argument was that you dont need to be but that is a separate discussion!). Are you referring to running conduits or cables? You do need to be licensed to run data cables. Paul Paul - I was referring to cable and no you don't have to be licensed to run or terminate Data cabling. At least not in NSW you dont need to be. There is no such ticket that I am aware of You can be accredited, but this is very different to being licensed. Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 49Jul 04, 2012 10:02 pm JMAP XBMC - gods gift to home automation (and the tight a##es that dont want to spend money!!) I have found in the last 3-4 months that if you have an Android phone; browse to a youtube video, hit share and xbmc will show up as an option. hit yes and it will start playing on the last connect TV. Kids love this for watching music video clips (and for my mates to show me the most random crap on the net!) Lol, totally agree. Combined with sickbeard and it's a beautiful thing indeed! Haven't used the upnp 'play to' function yet, but can see it being useful. Just handy to set it to remotely play things for the kids in the other room via the android app, so I can see what they're watching, and change it whenever, without moving my lazy butt! Real must have for anyone with a home media server I think. JMAP Regarding the rough in, I almost signed with Metricoin originally and spoke to them about this. they were not keen on me doing the work myself (as your not licensed - my argument was that you dont need to be but that is a separate discussion!). There prices from memory were not as bad as I expected from memory - I would though be interested in knowing the difference in pricing between roughing in or running the conduit Good luck with the negotiations! Yeah, negotiating will be interesting. We're a couple months off the serious stuff though, but I will keep an eye on these forums and come back with prices when we get to that point. I'll need to get someone in to hook up satellite after build anyway, so could use them to sign off any cabling also if it's really required, but will leave that can of worms alone Cheers. Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 50Jul 05, 2012 6:03 am JMAP paulw11 JMAP Regarding the rough in, I almost signed with Metricoin originally and spoke to them about this. they were not keen on me doing the work myself (as your not licensed - my argument was that you dont need to be but that is a separate discussion!). Are you referring to running conduits or cables? You do need to be licensed to run data cables. Paul Paul - I was referring to cable and no you don't have to be licensed to run or terminate Data cabling. At least not in NSW you dont need to be. There is no such ticket that I am aware of You can be accredited, but this is very different to being licensed. It is federal legislation under the Telecommunications Act. The Telecommunications act uses the word licensed, while the ACMA uses the word registered, but to install data cabling anywhere in Australia you need to hold an open or restricted cabling registration, depending on the work that is done. http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/telcomm/cabling/cabling_brochure/play%20it%20safe_always%20use%20a%20registered%20cabler.pdf Paul Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 51Jul 05, 2012 11:52 am paulw11 It is federal legislation under the Telecommunications Act. The Telecommunications act uses the word licensed, while the ACMA uses the word registered, but to install data cabling anywhere in Australia you need to hold an open or restricted cabling registration, depending on the work that is done. http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/telcomm/cabling/cabling_brochure/play%20it%20safe_always%20use%20a%20registered%20cabler.pdf Paul While I agree with what they (ACMA) are doing so people dont get 'fly by night' mobs installing, I do stand by my previous comment; by law (again, at least in NSW), you do NOT have to be licensed to install or terminate data cabling in a home Federally they are trying to bring in systems (eg white cards are going and being replaced by nationally recognised WHS cards) that allow for trades to be accredited. Registration shows that the card holders have gone through some sort of course/training to hold that card, but this differs from a licence to perform a trade (i.e. plumbing you MUST be licensed). By licensed I mean issued by Dept of Fair Trading nor would require engineering or council inspection upon completion of the works. In the context of this conversation, any Owner builder is able to install and terminate data cabling themselves without fear of being told the house is unliveable by any Govt institution. As always, I am happy to be proven wrong (and would prefer to be told I am so im not breaking any laws) but I have run this past my electrician (who is NOT signing off the works I am doing) and has said 'there is no issue - there are a lot of people that do the same thing' Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 53Jul 05, 2012 1:02 pm You are correct that you don't need a license issued by any NSW government department, but you do need to be a registered with a cabling registrar approved by the ACMA, this is because Federal government regulates this cabling via the Telecommunications act. Refer to this link - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1537309 While it is unlikely that you will ever have an inspector turn up and ask for your cabling registration details, it is illegal for you to perform your own data cabling. Paul - Open Cabler registration #T31369 Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 54Jul 05, 2012 1:11 pm paulw11 You are correct that you don't need a license issued by any NSW government department, but you do need to be a registered with a cabling registrar approved by the ACMA, this is because Federal government regulates this cabling via the Telecommunications act. Refer to this link - http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1537309 While it is unlikely that you will ever have an inspector turn up and ask for your cabling registration details, it is illegal for you to perform your own data cabling. Paul - Open Cabler registration #T31369 Very interesting - Couple of questions I would have; * Who/where would these inspectors come from and what clout would they have if they found something? * Has anyone had experience with dealing with the fallout of a non-registered cabler? * Post the fact that the cabling has been installed, how would an entity be able to prove that the cabling was not performed by a registered cabler? That illegal part is the bit that gets me - on no Government website does it state that it is illegal, nor does the ACMA site actually state this for home use (The only strong language in one of the documents is that data cabling MUST be installed by a registered installer) None the less, another question for the electrician...thank you for the heads up Paulw11 Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 55Jul 05, 2012 1:20 pm paulw11 While it is unlikely that you will ever have an inspector turn up and ask for your cabling registration details, it is illegal for you to perform your own data cabling. Thats how i know about it..... my sparky told me he has to provide me with documentation of who ran what and where in the house. Without it everyone is in trouble. Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 56Jul 05, 2012 1:34 pm Hi The inspectors are from the ACMA. The only time I ever met one is at my training course, and even he basically admitted that you are unlikely ever to be randomly inspected - they normally respond to complaints or tip-offs (there just aren't enough of them). A registered cabler is required to give a form (called a TCA-1) that details the cabler, their registration number and the work that was done. The "clout" that they have is a fine of up to $13,200 - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ta1997214/s420.html Paul Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 58Jul 07, 2012 9:36 am cinder You would have to be someone with some slight technical knowledge and I suppose have some sort of passion for a good home AV distribution set up. I know of 2 people who have just finished their home builds and the thought of structured wiring did not even enter their heads. Interestingly both of these people are in areas where the NBN is currently in progress and I did read somewhere that cat 6 is a requirement for the NBN (I don't know if that means all through the house or what though) It is what they recommend, it is not a requirement. After all anything beyond their box is the customers responsibility to provide and maintain and anything before their box is fibre that they provide (through conduits the customer provides to the pit). Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 59Jul 07, 2012 1:59 pm AJW It is what they recommend, it is not a requirement. After all anything beyond their box is the customers responsibility to provide and maintain and anything before their box is fibre that they provide (through conduits the customer provides to the pit). I know this, but your every day person building a house doesn't. My sister got a brochure in the letter box after she had moved in (about NBN), better to have got the info before the build. My Hamptons build (completed): viewtopic.php?f=31&t=63370 Moved in Wednesday 11th Dec 2013 Front landscaping completed June 2016 Re: Cat 6 cables, cat 5e plugs.. 60Jul 07, 2012 3:59 pm cinder AJW It is what they recommend, it is not a requirement. After all anything beyond their box is the customers responsibility to provide and maintain and anything before their box is fibre that they provide (through conduits the customer provides to the pit). I know this, but your every day person building a house doesn't. My sister got a brochure in the letter box after she had moved in (about NBN), better to have got the info before the build. The builder should know and offer cabling as an option. 1 is free to air and the other 2 are for cable TV all of them completely useless in 2024 1 2257 |