Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 21Aug 16, 2011 3:50 pm Hi Guys, Have just moved into a Telstra Smart Community (Fibre) & have put together a PDF with pics of our setup. Hopefully this will give you an idea of what you may need for your build. Pdf: http://www.wenban.id.au/HDU.pdf Official NBN Co Home Wiring Guide http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/new-developments-wiring-guide.pdf Hope this helps. Got a life, just can't find it! Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 22Aug 16, 2011 4:32 pm nrh157 Hi Guys, Have just moved into a Telstra Smart Community (Fibre) & have put together a PDF with pics of our setup. Hopefully this will give you an idea of what you may need for your build. Pdf: http://www.wenban.id.au/HDU.pdf Official NBN Co Home Wiring Guide http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/documents/new-developments-wiring-guide.pdf Hope this helps. Thanks for the pdf mate, very helpful to show people in the dark what to expect. Looks like it could get very expensive for the average joe. a cheap option would be to put a router where the box is located with wifi I suppose? http://lindeman28.blogspot.com - Our building blog Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 23Aug 16, 2011 4:54 pm Interesting that the Network Termination Device (NTD) is now inside your home, not external. Externally that seems to be replaced with the Premises Connection Device (PCD). I thought the NTD was the point at which Telstra (or the NBN's) responsibility stopped and it was your problem anywhere inside the network that from that point on. If thats now inside your home thats going to cause a lot of frustation for techies. Wonder if that will stay the same or if the PCD becomes the final point for Telstra and the NBN Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 24Aug 16, 2011 5:16 pm Quote: a cheap option would be to put a router where the box is located with wifi I suppose? Not really, OK you can run your TV directly from ONT to 1 TV point now, If you want more points later then nick down to Bunnings & pick up a Dist Unit $100? but it will need a powerpoint, but how easy will it be to cable to the extra points required. Many H1'ers are putting multiple phone points but are they really needed? You can pick up a 3 handset cordless kit for <$100, mine has a PSTN line & a VOIP line & have the choice of which line to use & can use 2 handsets at the same time on different lines. Internet - our Cat6 comes directly from ONT & feeds my 4 Port Wireless router so you could basically get by with that, but with the new Smart TV's, they need a network connection & the general view is that WiFi will struggle to keep up to speed. True, if you need to get builder to do all this it will cost $$$. Our Starserve install cost us $1500 (We didn't even get our data cable terminated) & it's not really being used (you can buy the unit online for $400) & builder wan't to charge $185 per data run. All up, other than the HDU it cost us <$500 inc dinner for cabler mate & his missus when it all got installed on a quiet Sun arvo!!! Got a life, just can't find it! Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 25Aug 16, 2011 5:27 pm nrh157 Quote: a cheap option would be to put a router where the box is located with wifi I suppose? Not really, OK you can run your TV directly from ONT to 1 TV point now, If you want more points later then nick down to Bunnings & pick up a Dist Unit $100? but it will need a powerpoint, but how easy will it be to cable to the extra points required. A lot of families may struggle to come up with these kind of costs as soon as the NBN rolls out to there house. There current setup may be eg a wireless modem/router in the family room with 1 main computer and the kids might have laptops to use around the house as they see fit. I can picture now a few friends scenarios not forking out to have the house cabled up for NBN. A $80 router at the nbn box would run wifi no problems given theres not 10000 walls blocking the signal. A lot of people will still continue to use there roof aerial. I cant see how cabling the house would be cheaper then an $80 router. http://lindeman28.blogspot.com - Our building blog Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 26Aug 16, 2011 5:40 pm Quote: Interesting that the Network Termination Device (NTD) is now inside your home, not external. The ONT (=NTD?) is the unit @ the external powerbox. This is were the fibre cable gets split into TV/Tel/WWW. The builder (sparkys) had installed the internal cabling ready for connection to the ONT. The internal unit (Hyper thingy) apparently is only a power unit for the ONT, a battery can be fitted to keep power up in a blackout. So I assume when the NBN arrives @ an existing home, it will terminate at a point near the powerbox & it will then be the responsibility of the home owner to decide where the cables run to. Straight to 1 wall point or to a HDU for distribution to multiple points Got a life, just can't find it! Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 27Aug 16, 2011 8:42 pm nrh157 Our Starserve install cost us $1500 Clipsal StarServe and Hills Home Hub are pretty old technology and they:
See viewtopic.php?f=34&t=38490&start=0 Don't waste your $1,500 on an inflexible package. A custom solution is more modular. You can swap in and out a gigabit switch, and distribute HD with either HDBaseT (when it becomes mainstream) or HDMI over Cat6. Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 28Aug 16, 2011 8:48 pm Isn't NBN optical, therefore there is no issue with electrical safety therefore anyone should be able to wire their house? Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 29Aug 16, 2011 9:05 pm Casa2 Isn't NBN optical, therefore there is no issue with electrical safety therefore anyone should be able to wire their house? Fiber optic cable stops outside the garage. From there, telecommunications cabling takes over. Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 31Aug 17, 2011 7:04 am Casa2 So there's no danger in electrocuting a lineman. Well, unless he comes to work on/replace the ONT (which has been damaged by 240V on the data cabling, for example). Also, there is still a risk to the homeowner or a subsequent homeowner. I am an open registered cabler and even I think that we are over-regulated in many respects; what makes it worse is that the system is also under-supervised, so while you do see prosecutions of unregistered cablers, I suspect that there is a lot more that goes on that doesn't get caught - there is also probably quite a bit of non-compliant work carried out by registered cablers. Some sort of limited registration for work in your own home could be proposed, but I suspect it could be abused (although as I said there seems to be plenty of unregistered work going on already...) Paul Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 32Aug 17, 2011 11:56 pm As someone working on the NBN project atm, I can safely say that you shouldn't go ahead with what they are offering. You can get it much much cheaper than that. NBNCo is responsible for running the fiber from the exchange and terminate at the side of your house. (Not sure where this garage talk is coming from, it doesn't specifically need to be terminated there.) I know already that when it is rolled out in my estate, based on NBN's current guidelines, it will be on the side of my house, external next to my electricity switch. (Opposite side of my house to the garage). There are high chances that where ever your phone line runs into your house, is where the fiber will terminate. As for what they are offering. There will already be a phone point installed with your build so they're giving you an extra data point and a cabinet (that you don't need). My suggestion to "future proof" your home is use that money and run some cat6 cables from where your router will be to your entertainment areas, from there you can expand if you can front the costs. Depending on your needs, wireless may even be sufficient ---------------------------------------- Building the PD Lisbon 24 http://www.porterdavis.com.au/#homeviewer/lisbon/24 Blog of our progress. http://lisbon24.blogspot.com/ Homeone build thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28665 Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 33Aug 18, 2011 2:14 pm What you can and can't do is different to what you're licensed to carry out. And your Cisco ticket isn't an open cabling license, i'm pretty sure. 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To clean up some myths from our forum experts that work with the NBN or are educated enough to be dangerous Green Fields and Brown Fields are different NBN Co uses internal NTD’s for new homes and the Pathway has to be provided by the client/Builder, the NTD and PSU is the property of NBN Co and who ever cables the house is responsible to make sure the internals work, The NTD and PSU must be in a secure location The PDC is were the fibre changes from underground fibre to a internal fibre fly lead. Standard copper phone point is two pair not cat 6 as NBN suggests to use in their documentation Clipsal do make a Cat 6 certified solution, they can’t promote it otherwise, THEY ALSO DO HD NBN is a two layer system, does not carry RF. Telstra Velocity 3 layer carries RF, You need a cablers licence to do internals for NBN like everything else Exposed punch downs do not comply with S2009 http://www.wenban.id.au/HDU.pdf Its all documented, just read it!!! http://www.nbnco.com.au/assets/document ... -guide.pdf NBN ready - is this a rip off? 35Aug 20, 2011 7:58 am I suppose whether the site counts as green field or brown field depends on whether NBN is available the now (or will be at the time the house is completed) or not. From the sounds of the original post, the estate is not currently in an NBN trial site but the builder is offering a NBN readiness package "for the future". When the NBN does reach this house it would probably be treated as brown field. Some conduit will make it easier for them and may cause less disruption, and digging, but they as they need to dig a trench for the Telstra services anyway, they can put conduit in for virtually nothing. Although phone lines only require a single pair and have been traditionally wired with two pair, Telstra currently recommends Cat 5 be used on the customer side of the NTD in order to support future high-bandwidth applications (NBNCo suggests Cat6, which may be a bit excessive, but not too unreasonable given the small cost difference ) The Clipsal Starserve system can carry HD free-to-air channels, but cannot directly distribute in-house HD sources such as Bluray players. Their modulators are composite in/analog out only. you can use third party devices to carry these over cat5/6 - the question is whether the home hub products can justify their price premium over a rack with a patch panel in it. Paul Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 36Aug 20, 2011 8:32 am Great to see so much feedback, thanks very much everyone. You assume correct that our estate has not been earmarked for immediate NBN rollout and the package is to be 'NBN ready' for when it does eventually roll around. We have gone with the package and will use the same contractors to provide network points around the house. I assume I will need some kind of a switch or router back in the cabinet. This is probably a really dumb question, but these require power right? I know I'll need one power point for the PSU when NBN comes, bit just wondering how many points I should have the sparkie but in there. Follow our journey at http://www.notgoingtodreamworld.blogspot.com Our build thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48999 Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 37Aug 20, 2011 1:58 pm Hi Upnorth, You'll need power for your router (/modem?) Likely to be a 4 port/WiFi My setup has a 12 port patch panel were all the home cat cables terminate http://www.4cabling.com.au/categories/Data-Products/Cat-5E-%26-Cat-6-Patch-Panels/ So need a switch (8 port) which needs power http://www.4cabling.com.au/categories/Switches-%26-Hardware/Ethernet-%26-Network-Switches/10%7B47%7D100%7B47%7D1000-Gigabit-Network-Switches/ We also have a Siemens Gigaset (PSTN/VOIP) wirelsss phone - base station & each handset also needs power. https://www.mynetfone.com.au/Residential/Home-Phone/VoIP-Online-Shop/Wireless-VoIP-Handsets Then also have my NAS located here so it also needs power. We've only got a DPP & have a powerboard for the rest. Most of this gear is only low wattage so shouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't it be great if someone could come up with a single multipurpose powerbox that eliminate all these #$%^& plug packs Got a life, just can't find it! Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 38Aug 22, 2011 11:46 am nrh157 We've only got a DPP & have a powerboard for the rest. Most of this gear is only low wattage so shouldn't be a problem. Wouldn't it be great if someone could come up with a single multipurpose powerbox that eliminate all these #$%^& plug packs Sounds like you need a rack with PDU's Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 39Aug 22, 2011 5:22 pm I proud to announce that this thread has been nominated for 'thread with most acronyms' award!!!! **head scratch** Follow our journey at http://www.notgoingtodreamworld.blogspot.com Our build thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48999 Re: NBN ready - is this a rip off? 40Aug 22, 2011 5:41 pm Upnorth I proud to announce that this thread has been nominated for 'thread with most acronyms' award!!!! **head scratch** PDU - Power Distribution Unit A power distribution unit (PDU) is a device fitted with multiple appliance outlets designed to distribute electric power, especially to computers and networking equipment located within a data center. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_distribution_unit http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/apcpdu.png/ Use a product like Equisol's Vitalise to clean the deck then coat with a penetrating timber oil. 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