Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 2Jul 15, 2011 3:42 pm The builder will undoubtedly charge a (imo ridiculous) markup for extra power and data...so it'll be expensive. Having said that, getting cabling done after the fact will also be expensive given the extra work and the difficult nature of trying to drop cables down walls etc. Your best bet is to get an independent data cabler to come along before the gyprock goes up and cable in the extra points. (Some builders won't allow this, some will allow it if the contractor signs some insurance paperwork etc) Or get conduit put in the walls where you want the data cabling to go, so after handover it is easy for your cabler to get cable where you want it. Homestead Homes SA: The Lamont Bayswood Estate; Aldinga Beach Preliminary Signing: April 2010 Floorplans: 13 June 2010 Building Contract: 19 June 2010 Selections: 28 Sept 2010 Scraped; Trenching: 21 Jan 2011 Slab Poured: 28 Jan 2011 Framing: 17 Feb 2011 | Completed 24 Feb 2011 Roof & Gutters: 02 Mar 2011 Bricks: 03 Mar 2011 Wire-up: 12 Mar 2011 Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 3Jul 23, 2011 4:48 pm If it is single story do everything later - the markup from the builder will allow you to do 3 times more later on by doing it yourself. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 5Aug 09, 2011 1:24 pm kellyW24 I second, getting a data cabler to come in before the gyprock sheeting goes up. Obviously much easier to run the cables, hence less labour time spent. But most of the volume builders would not allow this.. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 6Aug 10, 2011 9:48 am Our builder, Stylemaster, wasn't keen to let us run extra cabling through the house when it was at frame up stage as we weren't able to provide them with copies of insurance certificates, licenses etc although if we had all that available, they would have let it go-ahead. They told me it is normally something that they approve prior to all the signing etc. However, they did let me go onsite on a weekend and fit the extra wallplates we wanted and draw wires up the walls and tied off in the ceiling. We have 18 extra wall plates now and all the draw wires tied up and labelled to beams in the ceiling space for us to wire up after handover. Price wise, the builder wanted about $65 per double power extra, physical cost for me for a double is $12. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 7Aug 10, 2011 11:01 am phippsy Our builder, Stylemaster, wasn't keen to let us run extra cabling through the house when it was at frame up stage as we weren't able to provide them with copies of insurance certificates, licenses etc although if we had all that available, they would have let it go-ahead. They told me it is normally something that they approve prior to all the signing etc. However, they did let me go onsite on a weekend and fit the extra wallplates we wanted and draw wires up the walls and tied off in the ceiling. We have 18 extra wall plates now and all the draw wires tied up and labelled to beams in the ceiling space for us to wire up after handover. Price wise, the builder wanted about $65 per double power extra, physical cost for me for a double is $12. Did they allow you to run electric cables by yourself?? or data? Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 8Aug 10, 2011 12:21 pm Neither, all we did was fit wall plates to the studs and run a draw wire from the wall plate up through a drilled hole in the top beam and tie it off in the ceiling space to pull through power, data or whatever cable we wanted to later on. The plasterer then knocked the hole in the plaster as they went so we know where all the extra plates are fitted. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 9Aug 10, 2011 9:39 pm phippsy Neither, all we did was fit wall plates to the studs and run a draw wire from the wall plate up through a drilled hole in the top beam and tie it off in the ceiling space to pull through power, data or whatever cable we wanted to later on. The plasterer then knocked the hole in the plaster as they went so we know where all the extra plates are fitted. saddly I have to agree with this.. During construction is easiest for us cablers to be able to get the cable to various locations esp on Internal walls and while having "pull strings" is ok.. having them inside conduits is better, how ever some types of cables (HDMI"s mainly) will not fit down any conduit other then 50mm and unfortunelty we can't fit 50mm conduits to internal walls due to the ratio of wood needing to be removed and the added risk of a nail being driven into the cables. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 10Aug 12, 2011 11:21 am Pugs saddly I have to agree with this.. During construction is easiest for us cablers to be able to get the cable to various locations esp on Internal walls and while having "pull strings" is ok.. having them inside conduits is better, how ever some types of cables (HDMI"s mainly) will not fit down any conduit other then 50mm and unfortunelty we can't fit 50mm conduits to internal walls due to the ratio of wood needing to be removed and the added risk of a nail being driven into the cables. Hi pugs, How much its roughly cost for each point after the handower of the house, will you please give me a break down figure for each sort of connection, data, audio, video, security, electric, downlights etc. so for us building a new home will get an idea of how much it gonna cost us after build for cabling. Or we can compare it with the builders price. I could't find these figures anywhere in the forum, people are just telling its cheap later on, but nobody is talking about any figures. Its much appreciated if you can put that in the forum for the public, a rough estimation should be fine. Cheers Adam Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 11Sep 03, 2011 4:29 pm urk697 Pugs saddly I have to agree with this.. During construction is easiest for us cablers to be able to get the cable to various locations esp on Internal walls and while having "pull strings" is ok.. having them inside conduits is better, how ever some types of cables (HDMI"s mainly) will not fit down any conduit other then 50mm and unfortunelty we can't fit 50mm conduits to internal walls due to the ratio of wood needing to be removed and the added risk of a nail being driven into the cables. Hi pugs, How much its roughly cost for each point after the handower of the house, will you please give me a break down figure for each sort of connection, data, audio, video, security, electric, downlights etc. so for us building a new home will get an idea of how much it gonna cost us after build for cabling. Or we can compare it with the builders price. I could't find these figures anywhere in the forum, people are just telling its cheap later on, but nobody is talking about any figures. Its much appreciated if you can put that in the forum for the public, a rough estimation should be fine. Cheers Adam Hubby runs a Technology Business and a large part is Data Cabling. From what I understand it will be more labor intensive trying to run cables through a sheeted home; which will require cutting holes in gyprock, running feeds through etc and may be charged at an hourly rate as it's hard to sometimes estimate the how difficult the job will be compared to running cables with no sheeting up. Approx $50 (plus) per hour. But yes as someone mentioned above, they are at times very particular with insurances etc. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 12Oct 05, 2011 8:08 pm kellyW24 urk697 Pugs saddly I have to agree with this.. During construction is easiest for us cablers to be able to get the cable to various locations esp on Internal walls and while having "pull strings" is ok.. having them inside conduits is better, how ever some types of cables (HDMI"s mainly) will not fit down any conduit other then 50mm and unfortunelty we can't fit 50mm conduits to internal walls due to the ratio of wood needing to be removed and the added risk of a nail being driven into the cables. Hi pugs, How much its roughly cost for each point after the handower of the house, will you please give me a break down figure for each sort of connection, data, audio, video, security, electric, downlights etc. so for us building a new home will get an idea of how much it gonna cost us after build for cabling. Or we can compare it with the builders price. I could't find these figures anywhere in the forum, people are just telling its cheap later on, but nobody is talking about any figures. Its much appreciated if you can put that in the forum for the public, a rough estimation should be fine. Cheers Adam Hubby runs a Technology Business and a large part is Data Cabling. From what I understand it will be more labor intensive trying to run cables through a sheeted home; which will require cutting holes in gyprock, running feeds through etc and may be charged at an hourly rate as it's hard to sometimes estimate the how difficult the job will be compared to running cables with no sheeting up. Approx $50 (plus) per hour. But yes as someone mentioned above, they are at times very particular with insurances etc. Thanks, My builder charge $75 per data point, $55 for double power point, $90 for tv points, $350 for home theater wiring(5.1 without plates, $550 with plates), $50 for extra light points, $115 for down lights, Converting standard light point to down light is $65, $60 for dimmer, $45 for extra switches, $100 for weather proof double power point, $600 for intercom system, $1100 for a security system with 3 sensors, $285 for telephone run to home etc Does these prices are reasonable or is there anything in the list if I do after handover. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 13Oct 05, 2011 8:12 pm Those data points sound cheap, are they cat 6? Everything sounds pretty reasonable, and if that double power point is an outdoor point its cheaper than my builder . Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 14Oct 05, 2011 8:17 pm theanonyuser Those data points sound cheap, are they cat 6? Everything sounds pretty reasonable, and if that double power point is an outdoor point its cheaper than my builder . Yes they are cat6. internal power points for double $55, single $45, external double $100, external single $80, dont have the price for external data Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 15Oct 05, 2011 8:17 pm urk697 Thanks, My builder charge $75 per data point, $55 for double power point, $90 for tv points, $350 for home theater wiring(5.1 without plates, $550 with plates), $50 for extra light points, $115 for down lights, Converting standard light point to down light is $65, $60 for dimmer, $45 for extra switches, $100 for weather proof double power point, $600 for intercom system, $1100 for a security system with 3 sensors, $285 for telephone run to home etc Does these prices are reasonable or is there anything in the list if I do after handover. Thats about the price PD charge.. it is easier doing it during. PD REFUSED to allow us to run our own data.. so we just let them do it. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 16Dec 23, 2011 12:39 am Pugs .....how ever some types of cables (HDMI"s mainly) will not fit down any conduit other then 50mm and unfortunelty we can't fit 50mm conduits to internal walls due to the ratio of wood needing to be removed and the added risk of a nail being driven into the cables. So (basically) you can't really fit HDMI stuff (TV's etc) on internal walls ? Well, I s'pose you could get the builder to use deeper frames on that section (we're gonna need them to do that in our laundry for venting the clothes dryer). We're at a distinct advantage right now, we're at the "negotiating" stage with the (potential) builder and have already given him a heads-up that we'll be organising our own data cabling and air-conditioning during construction. Naturally, he agreed to this, verbally .................. When it comes to contract time, he's gonna be reminded of this, and while we're not anticipating any issues, you can be sure we're getting it written in the contract. P_D . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 18Dec 23, 2011 10:12 pm Pepsi_Drinker We're at a distinct advantage right now, we're at the "negotiating" stage with the (potential) builder and have already given him a heads-up that we'll be organising our own data cabling and air-conditioning during construction. Naturally, he agreed to this, verbally .................. If it's in the contract, it will be fine. Also depends on the builder; mine is easy going, and I can be on site to look at things. In fact, his electrician suggested I run my own speaker cables as it will save time and money. I guess my cabling (just about filled a 24 port patch panel) and electrical requirement isn't simple, so the electrician was more than happy for me to do things that do not require a licence. And yes, we are doing all cabling before the sheeting goes up. What surprised me was the number of times I was asked about telephone points; with 24 Cat 6 points, I can run a phone to virtually anywhere in the house, although we are using wireless handsets for convenience. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 19Dec 23, 2011 10:42 pm Pepsi_Drinker Pugs .....how ever some types of cables (HDMI"s mainly) will not fit down any conduit other then 50mm and unfortunelty we can't fit 50mm conduits to internal walls due to the ratio of wood needing to be removed and the added risk of a nail being driven into the cables. So (basically) you can't really fit HDMI stuff (TV's etc) on internal walls ? Well, I s'pose you could get the builder to use deeper frames on that section (we're gonna need them to do that in our laundry for venting the clothes dryer). P_D We had a 50mm conduit installed on a non-loadbearing internal wall for HDMI cables. Its the same size as ducted vacuum hose so I cant see the issue? Its through a noggin and the top plate. Re: Cabling through the builder or after handover?>? cheaper 20Dec 30, 2011 7:59 am Just went through this process. I wanted to do Data cabling/Alarm/TV points before the plaster goes up. Initially I though if its done through the builder, it will be a smooth process. I took the quote which I though was expensive plus the builder was not ready to give me much details. Called the cabler, he worked whole day, charged me the top dollar but still the work was excellent and the cost will be half of what the builder wanted. DIY, Home Maintenance & Repair Are you doing this with a building permit? 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