Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Oct 04, 2010 9:07 am G'day all, first post here so go easy.... We're currently building through a builder who does not include telephone and data cabling in the wiring, so we need to arrnage this ourselves and yes we know we need to go through a licenced installer. I'm going to have ONE telephone point in the utility cupboard, where my broadband router, unmanaged switch and NAS reside, and the OTHER telephopne point in the study. We really don't see a need for more than 2 POTS points due to the fact we're going to use a cordless telephone. The unmanaged switch will then run CAT5e/CAT6 to connect to almost every 'living' room - ie. bedrooms, lounge, family etc.... Considering most telephone installers now use CAT5e/CAT6 to the Network Boundry, could I advise my installer to use CAT5e/CAT6 from the network boundry to a central ADSL filter/spiltter, then have the POTS side of the splitter going to the study connecting to a RJ45 keystone jack, and the ADSL side of the splitter going to the POTS/ADSL point in the utility cupboard - also connected to a RJ45 keystone jack. This would in theory provide one CAT5e/CAT6 cable from the Splitter to the Network boundry with no splicing of cables as everything would just plug-in to RJ Keystones or Walljacks and would IMHO provide for easier exapnsion/alteration in the future if required. Cheers Dave. Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 2Oct 04, 2010 12:26 pm Prometheus_au G'day all, We're currently building through a builder who does not include telephone and data cabling in the wiring, so we need to arrnage this ourselves and yes we know we need to go through a licenced installer. I'm going to have ONE telephone point in the utility cupboard, where my broadband router, unmanaged switch and NAS reside, and the OTHER telephopne point in the study. We really don't see a need for more than 2 POTS points due to the fact we're going to use a cordless telephone. The unmanaged switch will then run CAT5e/CAT6 to connect to almost every 'living' room - ie. bedrooms, lounge, family etc.... Considering most telephone installers now use CAT5e/CAT6 to the Network Boundry, could I advise my installer to use CAT5e/CAT6 from the network boundry to a central ADSL filter/spiltter, then have the POTS side of the splitter going to the study connecting to a RJ45 keystone jack, and the ADSL side of the splitter going to the POTS/ADSL point in the utility cupboard - also connected to a RJ45 keystone jack. This would in theory provide one CAT5e/CAT6 cable from the Splitter to the Network boundry with no splicing of cables as everything would just plug-in to RJ Keystones or Walljacks and would IMHO provide for easier exapnsion/alteration in the future if required. Cheers Dave. you might as well get it all doen at frame stage... it is easier.. and quicker then adding stuff later on. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 3Oct 05, 2010 1:01 am I agree, but rather than 'hardwiring', what I'm thinking is using these types of connectors and wallplates.... http://www.homewired.com.au/store/details/10/3/cat5-rj45-ethernet-wall-plate-kits/1-port-cat5-rj45-ethernet-wall-plate-kit-inline-coupler The Cat6 cable would just plug into the back of the Keystone jacks. So in effect I would have a CAT6 cable running from the outside of the property ready for Visionstream to connect to, this CAT6 cable would run to the ADSL Filter/Splitter http://media.netcomm.com.au/public/assets/pdf_file/0017/18062/C10245M.pdf. The phone side of this would run to the study via RJ45/CAT6 cable to the type of wallplate mentioned above. The ADSL side of the splitter would run to the Utility Cupboard via RJ45/CAT6 cable to the type of wallplate mentioned above. All this would be far easier for the installer.... and provide easier expansion. All modular, no splicing and dicing - except for Visionstream on the outside to the pit. Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 4Oct 05, 2010 1:18 am Prometheus_au I agree, but rather than 'hardwiring', what I'm thinking is using these types of connectors and wallplates.... http://www.homewired.com.au/store/details/10/3/cat5-rj45-ethernet-wall-plate-kits/1-port-cat5-rj45-ethernet-wall-plate-kit-inline-coupler The Cat6 cable would just plug into the back of the Keystone jacks. So in effect I would have a CAT6 cable running from the outside of the property ready for Visionstream to connect to, this CAT6 cable would run to the ADSL Filter/Splitter http://media.netcomm.com.au/public/assets/pdf_file/0017/18062/C10245M.pdf. The phone side of this would run to the study via RJ45/CAT6 cable to the type of wallplate mentioned above. The ADSL side of the splitter would run to the Utility Cupboard via RJ45/CAT6 cable to the type of wallplate mentioned above. All this would be far easier for the installer.... and provide easier expansion. All modular, no splicing and dicing - except for Visionstream on the outside to the pit. ok... think you have the wrong idea. please define "outside" usualy we cablers stick a cable out trhe wall so they can hook up to the PSTN to that then back to a small cabinet, where the modem/ router and any other hardware is kept.. those style of connectors arn't used by real cablers... as generally the cables ends would get trashed during installtion. and tbh it is 5 times the work terminating to a plug then it is terminating onto a standard socket. Vission stream won't even touch a "patch" cable that is hanging outside of a wall or on a modular plug.. besides a New home doesn't need a Central splitter, they are a mechcanical device to fix bad internal wiring in an old house. having a gifted cabler design and install your cabling is the best suggestion I can ever make Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 5Oct 05, 2010 1:43 am Definition of 'outside'.... poking out of my homes external wall, below the meter box. Understand.... What got me thinking about this initially is that my neighbours had their internal wiring done last week. They have a CAT5/CAT6 cable hanging outside of their home, below the meter box ready for Visionstream to connect to the Network. How much - ball park - would I be looking at to install two POTS points in the home, one in the utility cupboard for the ADSL 2+, the other in the study for POTS. Both approx 10 meters from the meter box? Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 6Oct 05, 2010 1:48 am Prometheus_au How much - ball park - would I be looking at to install two POTS points in the home, one in the utility cupboard for the ADSL 2+, the other in the study for POTS. Both approx 10 meters from the meter box? $300ish Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 7Oct 05, 2010 1:52 am Thanks... around wht I thought. Why would my neighbours cabler have used Cat5/Cat6 cable to the external POI? Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 8Oct 05, 2010 1:59 am Maybe they have a structured cabling system which that Cat6 goes back to a rack is a better cable after all... I only use Cat6 for the Lead in... tho I install a full FTTH prewire these days Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Easier telephone/ADSL cabling options 9Oct 06, 2010 2:11 pm Thanks for the info. I'll get my installer to use CAT6 for ALL the cabling - it's just two points for the phone - and obviously for all the data points. Thanks again. I ran into trouble finding a lock that would fit my particular door, like your situation with your pivot door. I wanted a safe lock that couldn't be messed with easily. 4 25685 Standard uninsulated double brick has an R value of around 0.7. An insulated standard 90mm stud timber frame can have an R value of around 2.7. 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