Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Jul 19, 2010 12:17 pm Hi Guys, Just wanted to find out if anyone's heard of or used this company for Home Automation. lighting control, etc? Alternative to C-Bus. Thanks. SK Build thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34120 Handover 23 Dec 11 Squatting 21 Dec 11 Fixed 12 Oct 11 Plastered 31 Aug 2011 Framed 7 June 2011 Site Start 7 Feb 2011 Land Titled 18 Jan 2010 Land Deposit 25 Jun 2009 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 4Jul 20, 2010 2:44 pm Hi Jezza, Can you tell me more about HAI? Have you installed it? Any personal opinions you can give me on it's useability in the home with a family for lighting, audio, video? Any comments appreciated. It is being recommended for me as an after-handover solution to automation rather than having to use C-bus only switches, etc. SK Build thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34120 Handover 23 Dec 11 Squatting 21 Dec 11 Fixed 12 Oct 11 Plastered 31 Aug 2011 Framed 7 June 2011 Site Start 7 Feb 2011 Land Titled 18 Jan 2010 Land Deposit 25 Jun 2009 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 5Jul 21, 2010 10:12 am Casa2 CBUS is much more than just a lighting solution. Hows that? My views on CBUS are quite straight foward its a lighting control solution, which means it can control, intergrate and manage lighting. It also has the ability to do forms of relay control for blinds, sprinker and pool control as examples. Mind you it isnt a cheap solution. Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 6Jul 21, 2010 10:35 am Eskay40 Hi Jezza, Can you tell me more about HAI? Have you installed it? Any personal opinions you can give me on it's useability in the home with a family for lighting, audio, video? Any comments appreciated. It is being recommended for me as an after-handover solution to automation rather than having to use C-bus only switches, etc. SK Simply put the HAI is a IP security based controller that then can intergrate into lighting, audio, video, cameras, and heating and cooling control. The lighting side of things uses UPB (powerline) technology, which succeeded x10 lighting control with far more reliable signaling rates. It is also a compeltly retrofittable solution with the ability to replace a dumb simple switch with a UPB switch to give lighting control at a affordable price. Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 7Jul 21, 2010 10:39 am Thanks Jezza. I assume you've either used it or installed it and feel it's a reliable alternative to C-Bus. Thanks again. SK Build thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34120 Handover 23 Dec 11 Squatting 21 Dec 11 Fixed 12 Oct 11 Plastered 31 Aug 2011 Framed 7 June 2011 Site Start 7 Feb 2011 Land Titled 18 Jan 2010 Land Deposit 25 Jun 2009 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 8Jul 21, 2010 10:40 am Eskay40 - My advice would be to look closely at the options in this space, as there are HEAPs and pick the one that best suits what you want to 'hook up'. IE no point having a great lighting interface if you really don't care about lighting Do a google search for home automation and all sorts of brands will come up, do some of your own research and then take this to your builder/electrician, otherwise you are likely to be fed into whatever they are certified in (whether that be C-Bus, Dynalite, HAI, HPM, RT, etc) rather than what is a best fit for you! Good luck with the journey. P1T Read about my building experience: http://secondhomebuild.blogspot.com Dale Alcock Homes - 'The Nautilus' in Bletchley Park, Southern River - WA Read about my Clipsal C-BUS Home Automation Project: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=20854 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 9Jul 21, 2010 10:46 am Jezza Casa2 CBUS is much more than just a lighting solution. Hows that? My views on CBUS are quite straight foward its a lighting control solution, which means it can control, intergrate and manage lighting. It also has the ability to do forms of relay control for blinds, sprinker and pool control as examples. Mind you it isnt a cheap solution. My C-bus system includes lighting, security, climate control, building entry, blinds, etc... but c-bus can also be used to control audio/visual to different rooms, home threater, spas, irrigation systems etc... the list is endless. There's even a iphone/ipad app for that. whilst not cheap it can be built up as you go. When building my house I started out with just lighting & security and added bits as I went. (although I did run all the cabling during the build for the blinds, doors etc...) Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 10Jul 21, 2010 10:48 am Thanls P1T, I've read along with your blog and been very interested in your solution. I don't have the ability to do the C-Bus stuff myself and initially I was just interested in lighting monitoring and control with a couple of power points being managed. C-Bus seemed the way to go but a conflict arose between the designers of the system, the probable builders of the house and other parties. C-Bus needs to be in the plans because it's a double storey house and many area's won't be accessible for any retrofits down the track. The conflicts meant that C-bus may be out. It was getting quite expensive anyway and removing it altogether was starting to loom large. One of the parties came to me and said they also do the HAI and they could retrofit that after the handover at a third the price of the c-bus system. I've researched it and it looks like it will do what I need, plus some, down the track. I wanted to find out if it was used in Australia or whether it was just a recent import. The forum has been great to get personal experiences as well as expert opinion and that's what I'm always looking for. Thanks again, SK Build thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34120 Handover 23 Dec 11 Squatting 21 Dec 11 Fixed 12 Oct 11 Plastered 31 Aug 2011 Framed 7 June 2011 Site Start 7 Feb 2011 Land Titled 18 Jan 2010 Land Deposit 25 Jun 2009 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 11Jul 21, 2010 12:18 pm Hi Eskay - perhaps look into C-Bus wireless - it is easy to retrofit later (simply change the light switches over) and depending on scope could work out cheaper; I was going to go down this path but changed my mind at the 11th hour. It does need some careful planning up front as there are some design limitations... P1T Read about my building experience: http://secondhomebuild.blogspot.com Dale Alcock Homes - 'The Nautilus' in Bletchley Park, Southern River - WA Read about my Clipsal C-BUS Home Automation Project: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=20854 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 12Jul 21, 2010 3:32 pm just to give an idea, there are three different ways of doing lighting control. Bus Powerline Wireless A bus network for example like C-BUS is very good for doing large homes where there are complex and many lighting loads. Also handy to wire up the whole home to do all off/all on commands but this does get very expensive. A UPB/x10 powerline network is great for a for a budget type solution where you can have ambience and safety lighting in areas that you do most of your living for example home theatre, kitchen, master bedroom and living. Also handy that its retrofitable. A Wireless solution is also great for meeting peoples budgets and giving that level of ambience and control that the homeowner requires. The problem i have with wireless is that the signal can get interrupted by large brick walls, microwaves and other general appliances. Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 13Jul 21, 2010 3:42 pm zx9 Jezza Casa2 CBUS is much more than just a lighting solution. Hows that? My views on CBUS are quite straight foward its a lighting control solution, which means it can control, intergrate and manage lighting. It also has the ability to do forms of relay control for blinds, sprinker and pool control as examples. Mind you it isnt a cheap solution. My C-bus system includes lighting, security, climate control, building entry, blinds, etc... but c-bus can also be used to control audio/visual to different rooms, home threater, spas, irrigation systems etc... the list is endless. There's even a iphone/ipad app for that. whilst not cheap it can be built up as you go. When building my house I started out with just lighting & security and added bits as I went. (although I did run all the cabling during the build for the blinds, doors etc...) News to me that C-Bus has there own security system? I dont really rate there clipsal starserve video distribution system the days of analog component technology are numbered. And the audio side of things with having an amplifier in each location seems very expensive to me. Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 14Jul 21, 2010 6:07 pm Hi Jezza, C-Bus integrates with many security systems. Clipsal Homesafe is one (re-badged Ness D-16), the Ness M1 also has a C-Bus interface. Starserve is indeed VERY out-of-date, I'd be surprised if ANYBODY would actually use this any more... I have looked into this with my project and found that the C-Bus interface to AV equipment is done via IR blasters and RS232 connectivity where available for multi-room AV (actual AV equipment can be pretty much anything). Re: Multi-room-audio, personally I am going SONOS but even this has amplifiers for each room/zone (although they can be located in one location) - You cant have true multi-zoned audio without having multiple amps - as one amplifier can not simultaneously send more than 2 output signals ( in most cases...) P1T Read about my building experience: http://secondhomebuild.blogspot.com Dale Alcock Homes - 'The Nautilus' in Bletchley Park, Southern River - WA Read about my Clipsal C-BUS Home Automation Project: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=20854 Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 15Jul 21, 2010 6:50 pm Eskay40 Thanks Jezza. I assume you've either used it or installed it and feel it's a reliable alternative to C-Bus. Thanks again. SK Np Eskay40 just to clarify HAI is a 'powerful' security controller that and interfaces into a variety of different solutions and it is a complete IP based solution which gives remote access advantages and easy useability. Yes i have been involved with HAI gear and am happy to give you advise if required Re: Heard of HAI for Home Automation? 16Jul 22, 2010 9:52 am Many Thanks Jezza. I'm sure I'll have more to ask as that part of the project gets closer. Build thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=34120 Handover 23 Dec 11 Squatting 21 Dec 11 Fixed 12 Oct 11 Plastered 31 Aug 2011 Framed 7 June 2011 Site Start 7 Feb 2011 Land Titled 18 Jan 2010 Land Deposit 25 Jun 2009 Building Standards; Getting It Right! 1. optional, you can but normally just use the earth from the main switch board 2. should be enough but the distance determines voltage drop - sparky should work it… 1 28823 We already paid for somfy motors for the blinds. 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