Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Mar 13, 2010 11:41 pm Anyone done smart wiring with their builders? How much does it generally cost. What are the things they do in a smart wiring package ? Thanks Land - Northerly Estate, Piara Waters Titles Issues 05 April 2010 Building with Ross North Homes Prestart Completed 12 April 2010 Finance Approved 01 May 2010 Slab down 29 May 2010 Frame Completed 28 June 2010 Roof Completed 22 July 2010 Lockup 12 August 2010 PCI 24 Sep 2010 Handover 08 Oct 2010 Building Thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32295&start=0 Re: Smart Wiring Costs 2Mar 14, 2010 12:44 am Smart wiring is pretty much making sure that you can get any servive ie Telephone/ Network/ TV / foxtel signal to any room that you require.. alot of builders have base packages esp those in FTTH estates. start figuring out what services you want/ need to get to each room plenty of threads about this already but as a "basic" install I always suggest to my cleints minimum spec for Bedrooms is 2 x Cat6 for Network/ Phone and 1 x RG6 for TV, for Main TV areas 4 x Cat6 and 2 x RG6 for an office minimum is 4 x Cat6 all terminated back to the one point* * Usually to the Garage / Home office or any manily unused part of the house out of sight. as for actual cost well that depends on how many runs you end up doing.. anything under $140/ run is a good deal for a new build..any thing over and maybe they are ripping you off Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Smart Wiring Costs 3Mar 14, 2010 1:22 am thanks for that, i will enquire about this. I require, telephone cable, TV cable, satellite dish cables (i will have two one for cband and one for ku band), and a ethernet network cable (for internet to be distributed from my internet room). Hopefully this doesnt cost too much. Land - Northerly Estate, Piara Waters Titles Issues 05 April 2010 Building with Ross North Homes Prestart Completed 12 April 2010 Finance Approved 01 May 2010 Slab down 29 May 2010 Frame Completed 28 June 2010 Roof Completed 22 July 2010 Lockup 12 August 2010 PCI 24 Sep 2010 Handover 08 Oct 2010 Building Thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=32295&start=0 Re: Smart Wiring Costs 4Mar 14, 2010 8:20 am Pugs, A question for you. These days is it possible to just run Cat5/5e/6 cable everywhere and be done with it. Everything is going digital so these cables could be used to care everything: 1) Data 2) Telephone 3) Video (digital) You could even run speakers (background music, not Hi-Fi), use the same cables to operate curtains (use all four pairs), drive door openers, gather temperature information, etc. Basically, everything electrical except for mains power. And with Power over Ethernet, you could get away without having to provide a separate power cable to devices. While we're at it, why use conventional telephone. IP telephones would allow a house PABX arrangement so calls can be made to a particular room or a "dinner's ready" PA announcement could be made. All this talk is getting me excited about what I can do with my build. Woud be interested in hearing your thoughts. And others' thoughts. Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Smart Wiring Costs 5Mar 14, 2010 10:32 am Casa2 Pugs, A question for you. These days is it possible to just run Cat5/5e/6 cable everywhere and be done with it. Everything is going digital so these cables could be used to care everything: 1) Data 2) Telephone 3) Video (digital) You could even run speakers (background music, not Hi-Fi), use the same cables to operate curtains (use all four pairs), drive door openers, gather temperature information, etc. Basically, everything electrical except for mains power. And with Power over Ethernet, you could get away without having to provide a separate power cable to devices. While we're at it, why use conventional telephone. IP telephones would allow a house PABX arrangement so calls can be made to a particular room or a "dinner's ready" PA announcement could be made. All this talk is getting me excited about what I can do with my build. Woud be interested in hearing your thoughts. And others' thoughts. Cheers, Casa to push video over ethernet you need to use a highend "complete system" like the lexicom one and I beleive that uses cat6A which is like close to $3/m it is a all in one system but very expensive... I use traditional methods atm ie seperate cabling for each type of signal, yes you can run "audio" over ethernet cables without any Issues, so you can have a "central" tech area this is how most multi room audio systems are done, as for home automation yes Cbus and such use ethenet to talk to each other and just supply power via normal ways. POE is all well and good but you still need the power packs at the other end as most POE switches can only power phones or a few devices atm.... I only use telepone as a refernce to people to ensure they know what I'm on about... as with a "structured cabling system you can have a seperate telephone patching area and be able to put any service to any location you want. also atm IP phones for home are virtually non excistant.. you could use the "office" ones but most of those need propriety systems in place for them to be used... most homes don't have the need for a PABX system unliek a business which has lots of incoming and outgoing lines. also if you have multi room audio in place they would be a way for being able to override and contact each station..... for them to be paged Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Smart Wiring Costs 6Mar 14, 2010 10:44 am A good way to do a home PABX is with this, which is what I use: http://www.trixbox.org/downloads?utm_so ... alitysites Re: Smart Wiring Costs 7Mar 15, 2010 7:23 am I don't where you are but if you're in Melbourne give these guys a call, http://www.smartwiringaustralia.com.au/. I was recommended to them by a mate and it seems just about everyone one I talk to out my way (South Morang) has had some dealings with them and all good reports. Re: Smart Wiring Costs 8Mar 15, 2010 10:28 pm I could do with some help on this topic. Just had the builder quote for a StarServe hub under stairs with phone/TV/Foxtel in. Total of 12 CAT5e points, 7 RG6 TV points and 4 Foxtel IQ points. Quoting $6,120 - we are in Perth. Sounds rich to me - any thoughts? Re: Smart Wiring Costs 9Mar 15, 2010 11:30 pm yes for cat5e... if it was Cat6 then yeah..maybe 4 foxtel Iq points wth?? there is some one tryign to take more money from you.... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Smart Wiring Costs 10Mar 15, 2010 11:53 pm What would you recommend? We need a bit of help here! We have a games room (kids), theatre, family and sitting (adults). We just are not sure where to put the IQ so have gone for all four to give us options. Is there a better/cheaper way? Ie we plan at this stage to put it in the family but may want to move it to the theatre - if the IQ point is not there what would we do, etc? And am I reading you right below, that the price is OK? Cheers mate Re: Smart Wiring Costs 11Mar 15, 2010 11:57 pm star serve is where the problem is... not to mention it will be the bane of all your problems.... as per my above advice for a house... Foxtel IQ doesn't need anyting else other then a 1 x RG6 and a "network/telephone socket and then only if you wish to use it that then just patch it in when needed... kinda hard to explain.. btw star serve only aloows for 10/100 network speeds and if you are moving large files around it will be very slow esp when others are online and such Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Smart Wiring Costs 12Mar 16, 2010 12:23 am Sounds like I should avoid Starserve then...... Would be nice if the builder sat me down and ran through all of this but unfortunately I have waited four months for some pricing and now being hurried into making a decision. Could you help me a bit? We plan to have: CAT5e: 4 bedrooms x 1 Study x 4 Family x 1 Theatre x 1 Sitting x 1 Games x 1 TV: 4 bedrooms / Fam / Th / Sit / Games IQ: As before - undecided What would you recommend we look at doing? We would want to set up a network but are not large downloaders, mainly looking at moving photos/music etc. Would like the ability to look at a media centre or similar to hold video etc and would like flexibility with IQ, but other than that dont require a great deal. Cheers Re: Smart Wiring Costs 13Mar 16, 2010 9:56 am your plan is fine.. how ever if they are only offering you star serve then it seems your cablers/ sparky is stuck in the past/ on one "easy" solution.... (for themselfs) personally for a "small" install like this i would use the Amdex 9ru 10" wall mount rack with at least two 12 way patch panels Maybe the Voice patching unit and a Clipsal 8073/8VHPIR Video Hub it hs 3 inputs so FTA and Foxtel (cable not satelite , if it was satelite you would need a special device to convert the 2 cables into one) and has 8 outputs. as for other hardware TP link 8 port GiGe switches with custom rack wings to fit the rack , a decent modem/ router (billion) to add wireless into the mix aswell and a couple of shelves. without the hardware it comes in under $4k for the lot... and that is with Cat6... and 17 network points, doubling up on all points bar the study area, plus the TV sockets and such. this si of course a price for me to do it locally.. and wouldnpt include the 3 travel days I would need to factor in driving such distances... http://www.amdex.com.au/Shopping/shopdi ... 20CABINETS <click to see what the cabinet looks like Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Smart Wiring Costs 14Mar 18, 2010 12:56 am Cheers for coming back to me on this. I met today with another company who are making a bit more sense...... They are quoting for this: http://www.intelligenthome.com.au/pdf/i ... lipsal.pdf Putting the FoxIQ and TV dist plate in the theatre Deleting the kitchen point and putting 4 points in the study Putting the 'TV area 2' in the family room Adding 4 more of the 'TV area 2' points for 3 beds and games room Adding a modulator Including the Clipsal 8073/8VHPIR all housed in a Clipsal cabinet (not sure what model) Adding in wiring for speakers in theatre/games/family Feel more comfortable with them, and with the info you gave me - they are not using StarServe Be interested to see how much they come in at to compare - will let you know Only thing I need to query is with the above I will have 1 data point in most rooms with 4 in the study and 2 in the theatre - do you think I will need more and why? Re: Smart Wiring Costs 15Mar 18, 2010 9:26 am 2 more in the HT adds rooms for expansion Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Smart Wiring Costs 16Mar 18, 2010 10:18 pm Got the quote back, as per the above. Cabinet is a Clipsal Professional cabinet and the speaker wiring is: Sonos prewire to Sitting, prewire for 2 speakers in family, games, sitting and 4 speakers in theatre All speaker cabling will be left unterminated and does not include speakers Also includes an e-wire bridge All up $5,500 Any good? Re: Smart Wiring Costs 17Mar 18, 2010 10:20 pm Sorry, just re-read the quote - $7,100 (speaker wiring was $1,400 and bridge $200, $5,500 for rest) Re: Smart Wiring Costs 18Mar 20, 2010 8:28 pm Here is our quote we got in Brisbane you can use as a comparison. Supply & install all RG6 cable for TV / Foxtel points (10) Supply & install HHH enclosure for TV distribution Supply & install video splitters / distribution equipment Test and commission TV system Supply & install Cat6 cabale for Phone / Data points (20) Supply HHH enclosure for data / phone distribution Supply all necessary parts for data / phone terminations Supply & install 8 port switch Test all data points & patch as needed Supply & install cabling from Velocity box to HHH location Supply & install cabling for 1 front door intercom with 2 internal handsets Total Price $5082.97 ex GST It took us ages to find someone to do the wiring who was also going to get the whole system working as well, and understood the telstra velocity thing. Cheers Lou http://take2-customdesigndownslope.blogspot.com 07-10-09 omg they have cut the block 14-05-10 we finally have the keys Re: Smart Wiring Costs 19Apr 27, 2010 6:58 pm buildinginjindalee I met today with another company who are making a bit more sense...... They are quoting for this: ... Including the Clipsal 8073/8VHPIR all housed in a Clipsal cabinet (not sure what model) ... they are not using StarServe take2 Here is our quote we got in Brisbane you can use as a comparison. Supply & install all RG6 cable for TV / Foxtel points (10) Supply & install HHH enclosure for TV distribution Supply & install video splitters / distribution equipment Test and commission TV system Cheers Lou Lou, do you know what the distribution equipment actually is, so we can compare apples here? Re: Smart Wiring Costs 20Apr 27, 2010 8:26 pm westy buildinginjindalee I met today with another company who are making a bit more sense...... They are quoting for this: ... Including the Clipsal 8073/8VHPIR all housed in a Clipsal cabinet (not sure what model) ... they are not using StarServe take2 Here is our quote we got in Brisbane you can use as a comparison. Supply & install all RG6 cable for TV / Foxtel points (10) Supply & install HHH enclosure for TV distribution Supply & install video splitters / distribution equipment Test and commission TV system Cheers Lou Lou, do you know what the distribution equipment actually is, so we can compare apples here? Honestly its all beyond me, I was sold on the test and commission the system, it was the first quote we got where he understood telstra velocity and would committ to getting the system working, we have ended up with two boxes one for tv other for date. Progress picture if that helps http://i1045.photobucket.com/albums/b456/take2_photo/IMG_3497.jpg?t=1272363802 Cheers Lou http://take2-customdesigndownslope.blogspot.com 07-10-09 omg they have cut the block 14-05-10 we finally have the keys We already paid for somfy motors for the blinds. The quote above was purely for “pre-wiring” so the blinds company can install the motors and blinds. That’s why we… 5 16275 Shelly switches require a paid subscription for full access to all features which is ridiulous given the lifespan of a home and if you were to sell it or buy a home with… 2 4517 I am not sure whether Perth has its own way of doing things in regards to this. Most of Perth has class A (sandy soil), except for some areas near rivers or hills. 2 13098 |