Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation Re: Data Cabling and You 121Apr 05, 2011 1:07 pm Ohh I can see this thread going feral again... Put simply, no one likes the idea of having to pay someone for data cabling as if you've ever pulled speaker cable (which is generally more sensitive to noise on lines than cat5/6), you'd probably be okay doing data when theres no plaster in the way BUT the regs are there so the best thing you can do is write a letter to your MP to get the reg reversed as has been done in most other countries. I'd rather this thread go back to talking about iPhones and internet washing machines. Re: Data Cabling and You 122Apr 05, 2011 1:32 pm rockabilly_kid Hilarious. We're talking about fixed data cabling in walls and roof spaces though......... Not so fast ............ <====Emoticon meaning "What I am about to say should not be taken too seriously" ..................... [quote=Telecommunications Cabling Provider Rules 2000] 2.3 Restricted cabling work (1) Subject to subsection (2), the following cabling work is restricted cabling work: : : (2) Subsection (1) does not apply to cabling work: : (c) performed between customer equipment and a patch panel, and terminating at the patch panel.[/quote] So, you are (probably) permitted to connect your "stuff" to the appropriately installed "patch panel", but there would be an argument that your "Wall Data Plate" is NOT a "patch panel", in which case, NO, you are not permitted to plug your patch-leads into the wall !! Also............ http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1779 [quote=ACMA] Separation from low voltage (LV) cables by: a minimum distance of 50 mm; a barrier of durable insulating material or metal; or a timber or metal stud, nogging, joist or rafter of any thickness; and a minimum of 150 mm between open telecommunications terminations and LV electrical terminations [/quote] So while there is a massive danger to life and limb ( <===Humour emoticon again ) with having the in-wall network cables within 50mm of your 240v supply, this danger passes once the network cable terminates behind the data point in your room and becomes a "patch cable". Unless, of course, you were actually right and you DO need to be a registered data-cabler to plug in a patch cable and ensure it remains 50mm from your extension cables and computer and monitor power-supply leads <====Again, Not serious !!! P_D . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: Data Cabling and You 123Apr 05, 2011 1:33 pm Quote: I'd rather this thread go back to talking about iPhones and internet washing machines. Yeah! What ever happened to those. What I want is a microwave with Ethernet or WiFi so that it can set it's clock via the Internet! When I am Emperor of the World (TM) all devices with a clock in them will be required to able to set their time automatically. Paul Re: Data Cabling and You 124Apr 05, 2011 1:42 pm paulw11 ..........When I am Emperor of the World (TM) all devices with a clock in them will be required to able to set their time automatically. Paul Vote [1] Paul for Emperor of the World (TM) !!! I'm still waiting for my (two) STB to update from the end of daylight saving !! IIRC, They only update on Channel 7 ............Might have to go put on on 7 and leave them there for a while !!! P_D . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: Data Cabling and You 125Apr 05, 2011 1:44 pm Pepsi_Drinker So while there is a massive danger to life and limb ( <===Humour emoticon again ) with having the in-wall network cables within 50mm of your 240v supply, this danger passes once the network cable terminates behind the data point in your room and becomes a "patch cable". Let me give a serious explanation to your humourous statement I suspect that many people believe that the separation requirements for data and power cabling is to eliminate interference on the data cable (ie. a network performance issue) when in reality the primary reason is safety. People put screws/nails into walls. You cannot see what is in the wall, so you may hit a cable. The reason for the 50mm separation is to reduce the risk of a screw or similar piercing the 240V cable and the data cable, putting the dangerous voltage onto the data cable. The reason that the danger passes one the cable becomes a patch cable is that it is no longer concealed and the risk of putting a nail through them is eliminated. Paul Re: Data Cabling and You 126Apr 05, 2011 11:47 pm After having 24 hours to think about stuff here is my reply to PD Subject: Data Cabling and You Pepsi_Drinker I think a large part of the (perceived) problem is that, as a general rule, people frequenting forum threads such as these, and asking intelligent questions about data cabling options are (probably) reasonably competent to throw a few data cables around a building frame, and possibly even terminate them themselves. then why not do the course and be fully legal? its not hard as you say.. just spend the one day a week off work.. to do the Tafe course (around $900) + then get the 600 hours of on the job experince that is investigated, then file to be an Open cabler Quote: However, they see what a roll of cable costs and get (IMHO justifiably) emotional about BEING FORCED to pay (say) $10 / meter for someone to install it when they know it's costing around $0.50 / meter. wow you are so far off with your questermation.. for domestic work the Normal rate is $0.85-$1.10/m for ADC (now Tyco) Cat6 basiclaly the best Cat6 on the market and in a quote I have to factor in the lengths that I might need to get around other trades and provide porpper seperation... Quote: Likewise, they might not mind paying a fair and reasonable rate for someone to do "technical stuff", such as designing or commissioning their data network, but don't see why they should BE FORCED to pay someone experienced technical rates for what they perceive to be the "dogs work". "dogs work" huh?? gee thank you.. fine I don't have a sparkly Uni degree or thing more fancy then a Cert 2 in Data Communications Plus all the relevant experince on how to run and temrinate the cables. ALso I have to factor in running costs... Public Liabilty Insurence, Replacing tools, Vehicel runnnig costs/ repairs, office time, the work I do inthe office/ home makes days on site go much quicker. And I'm a Techincal Tradesperson.. fine I don't have some fancy phd is comms design.. but i don't need too... maybe I should rock up to your work and tell your boss that I'll do your job for less money with no training?? Quote: If this perception is incorrect, maybe some of our data-cablers could explain the "technical" aspects of cable-tossing that untrained people either cannot do, or would not be able to do with a simple six-point checklist ? P_D so you know all the seperation requirements ?? and conduits needed and what Teltsra expects us to do for them to make their life easier??? and btw I got into data cabling because I had a calling... Previously I was in the Entertainment Industry setting up Lighting for concerts and other big events, but that all stopped on the 24th of August of 2006 when something failed and I fell 13m onto the upper stage of the boy from Oz show.. http://www.juliusmedia.com/cxmag/cx_dow ... zine_2.pdf and since my physical recovery took too long I decided I was over that industry and wanted to get into this one... lot less danger.. better hours.. but since the fall I have been diagnosed with PTSD and Reactive Depression so basiclaly I can't work for anyone else, as I have the tendency to fly off the handle at Little "jokes". Also I am bloody good at my job... I have had clients from Interstate purely because they could not find anyone local they could trust with thier Installs. When I take on a client they become a close Friend for the Period of their build.. any questions no matter what will be answered with in 24hours if not I will reply that I will find out more info for them with in 3 days. also to top off my life recently My sister who was helping me deal with my lawers and the whole Work cover deal suddenly died 7 weeks ago from acute autoimmune hepatitis. So not only do I have my own problems to deal with but I now have to cope with the mouring for my sister. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 127Apr 06, 2011 12:01 am Pugs, You've certainly had life deal you a shippy hand, and for that you have my sympathies. Probably not the time or place to go into further discussion about the above, suffice to say I (hope) I've fully explained my mis-understood "dogs work" comment and apologised to yourself twice, the forum at least once, another member at least once and sent a PM or two further explaining my words. I have no doubt in your technical abilities, hence our previous e-mails seeking your advice regarding cabling my new premises. Regards, P_D . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: Data Cabling and You 128Apr 06, 2011 9:03 am Now lets all kiss and make-up. Homestead Homes SA: The Lamont Bayswood Estate; Aldinga Beach Preliminary Signing: April 2010 Floorplans: 13 June 2010 Building Contract: 19 June 2010 Selections: 28 Sept 2010 Scraped; Trenching: 21 Jan 2011 Slab Poured: 28 Jan 2011 Framing: 17 Feb 2011 | Completed 24 Feb 2011 Roof & Gutters: 02 Mar 2011 Bricks: 03 Mar 2011 Wire-up: 12 Mar 2011 Re: Data Cabling and You 130Apr 06, 2011 1:20 pm We'll hold you to that! Homestead Homes SA: The Lamont Bayswood Estate; Aldinga Beach Preliminary Signing: April 2010 Floorplans: 13 June 2010 Building Contract: 19 June 2010 Selections: 28 Sept 2010 Scraped; Trenching: 21 Jan 2011 Slab Poured: 28 Jan 2011 Framing: 17 Feb 2011 | Completed 24 Feb 2011 Roof & Gutters: 02 Mar 2011 Bricks: 03 Mar 2011 Wire-up: 12 Mar 2011 Re: Data Cabling and You 131Apr 06, 2011 8:13 pm // Hugs to all !!! P_D . Block settled 07 June 2011 Our little piece of the Interwebs on HomeOne....... viewtopic.php?f=31&t=48577&start=0 Re: Data Cabling and You 132Jul 16, 2011 12:28 am Chuq Pugs Sheepdog Laundry points? I went the whole hog and whilst I don't regret it because its there, I haven't used any of the points outside the study and TV areas. few years time when the nbn is in full swing and they bring out washing machines and dryers and they need to be "online" tpo get the cheapest power for your load at 2am in the morning I'm a big fan of wired vs wireless, but surely.. wireless would be most appropriate? Especially for the 99% of houses in the country which were built pre NBN? I have 46 ports in my current house and will have close to 60 in my next one, but neither have outlets in the bathrooms or laundry. (Note I'm only referring to in-home wireless, (wifi back to the router), the part outside the house should definitely be fibre optic! 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