Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Dec 11, 2009 2:18 pm First off the legal stuff If you wanting to install fixed data or telephone cabling and you are not registered to do so or directly supervised by someone who is a registered Cabler, you're committing a criminal offence and may be penalised (either an on-the-spot fine of $1320, or a fine of up to $13,200 if prosecuted in court). The official word from the ACMA is this: A registered Cabler must perform all customers cabling work in regards to the telecommunications network with in a structure. This includes all fixed cabling that connects to, or is intended to be connected to the telecommunications network. All data network systems that connect to or may be connected in the future to the telecommunications network are included in this requirement. In summary, if the cabling is run through a wall, ceiling, floor or crawl space, a registered Cabler must install it. This includes the use of pre-terminated cables and 'clip-through' keystone jacks/wall plates. If you are aware of these regulations, not a registered Cabler and decide to install cable regardless, be aware that you are solely responsible for your actions and their consequences. You cannot blame Me for providing incorrect or poor advice. For more information: ACMA - Cabling regulation http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_300153 ACMA Frequently Asked Questions - Cabling http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1455#16 Really the only way to get your House wired up is during the Building stage. After the exterior walls are up, the frames are up and roof is on and before the gyprock goes up. What you can do. Select your cable type: Cat5e or Cat6. Put a pull wire installed along with Cat6 cable will future proof any install into 10years down the technology track Select the Location and amount of your internal services: IE where you want all your wall plates and any other termination devices and how many runs per room Select your fittings: IE your wall plates and mechanisms. Clipsal, HPM, PDL, AMDEX, Krone etc. Pay them quickly: This and having at most 40% deposit ready for them to start the first fix. Once first fix is done and fully paid for be ready to pay them for the second fix with in a week of final termination. On site: honestly there isn’t much you can do without direct supervision. Pre dill holes for your data Cabler on the day to make their day quicker. 60 -80% of a Cablers day is drilling holes… in the first fix. If your going for a cheaper/ mate way of data cabling… how ever most installers like myself won’t let you do that … heck on the first day I’d prefer not to see the client on site. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 2Dec 11, 2009 2:34 pm Thanks for that Pugs, hopefully that should stop a lot of the same questions / responses posted. Would you happen to know of any institutions in AU that provide training and allow interested people to get their data license? ---------------------------------------- Building the PD Lisbon 24 http://www.porterdavis.com.au/#homeviewer/lisbon/24 Blog of our progress. http://lisbon24.blogspot.com/ Homeone build thread https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28665 Re: Data Cabling and You 4Dec 11, 2009 6:47 pm You know what is even more pathetic, a sparky is not allowed to do data cabling because that is so much more dangerous than 240 electrical cabling etc... Fair enough that you can run phone cable in your house as that does connect back to the exchange directly at a guess, but data cabling connect to a router or switch before anthing else. PS I thought you can data cable if it does not connect to any telstra equiptment directly or indirectly? Re: Data Cabling and You 5Dec 11, 2009 7:07 pm Sheepdog Edit: PS. Your post looks very very similar to a sticky thread in the overclockers AU forum by one of their admins. If it is in fact sourced from there, it's polite to refer to the author. Well i helped develope that so you can tak eit or leave it Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 6Dec 11, 2009 7:11 pm jetson You know what is even more pathetic, a sparky is not allowed to do data cabling because that is so much more dangerous than 240 electrical cabling etc... Fair enough that you can run phone cable in your house as that does connect back to the exchange directly at a guess, but data cabling connect to a router or switch before anthing else. only if they don't have their Data Tickets.... if a sparky has their ticket then they can do what ever they want..under the rules... jetson PS I thought you can data cable if it does not connect to any telstra equiptment directly or indirectly? It used to be like this.. then they changed it to potentionally being connected... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 7Dec 12, 2009 2:01 am G'day Sheepdog, This is no longer the case. Several RTOs will now offer you the training so that you can qualify under the ACMA's competancy rules. Works out to be around six weeks part time, or a week full time to complete the training for the full Open Registration. Following this you then apply to your registrar of choice (i.e. TITAB, ASIAL) for your registration. Here in WA, Integracom (http://www.integracom.com.au) offer this training. Unfortunately I can't assist with other states. (mods, I have no association with Integracom). As for terminating cables that aren't in walls - technically you're not meant to be doing that either as there's no way for you to ensure it's 'A Tick Compliant'. Annoying, huh! Hope this helps, Jason. Building 'Cove' with Celebration Homes in Aubin Gardens, WA Our (very basic!) thread @ viewtopic.php?f=31&t=29226 Re: Data Cabling and You 8Dec 12, 2009 2:27 am mr_jas This is no longer the case. Several RTOs will now offer you the training so that you can qualify under the ACMA's competancy rules. Works out to be around six weeks part time, or a week full time to complete the training for the full Open Registration. Plus the 600 hours of on the job experince that you need to file for Open once you have your rescricted Ticket Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Data Cabling and You 9Dec 12, 2009 2:58 am No longer required when qualifying using competancies. I'm not advocating this as a good thing - but it is happening. Building 'Cove' with Celebration Homes in Aubin Gardens, WA Our (very basic!) thread @ viewtopic.php?f=31&t=29226 Re: Data Cabling and You 10Dec 12, 2009 1:28 pm If you are not connecting electrically connecting to the telecommunications network then you can legally do your own cabling. Just get a wireless connection to the outside world and all will be good. You can also get isolation units that protect the telecommunications network from problems at your end. So there are ways to do your own wiring legally. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Data Cabling and You 11Dec 12, 2009 5:13 pm hmm Casa I think the problem is that in future someone else ( future purchaser of the home) could use the network cabling and connect to the telecommunications network electrically. Just because you don't intend to doesn't mean a future user/owner won't. Re: Data Cabling and You 12Dec 12, 2009 11:09 pm Sheepdog And I think its an absolute SHAM! I'm a qualified network and software engineer, accredited by the Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers Australia. Besides the fact that data cabling (edit: I'm talking basic stuff like terminating and avoiding interference) was a basic element of my course (in the introductory subjects, no less), I was further trained to do it during Cisco based training. All that under my belt but I'm apparently STILL not qualified to run some incredibly simple cat 5/6 through a wall and terminate it in a domestic home. But I can do the EXACT same thing if its not behind a wall. The regulation in this country is becoming ridiculous, we have some of the strictest electrical regulation for DIY in the world yet also have one of the highest rates of electrocution per capita. Obviously over regulating is NOT doing what it is intended. Countries such as NZ and the UK allow even basic rewiring of light fittings without being a licensed sparky and provide the knowledge a lot more readily so people are prepared for the dangers, instead of all this bloody scare mongering. Don't forget the provision in Victoria for qualified Engineers to be given a permit to do electrical work on their own houses. It has been mentioned on this forum a few times, so if you do a search... Pfiff Finally making progress again, with a clothesline (yippee) and some much needed little things being attended to over the holidays. 40 C on New Year's eve? We love our a/c! Re: Data Cabling and You 13Dec 12, 2009 11:12 pm Moderators, please don't think about making this a sticky post unless the tone of the post is softened and the grammar and English are fixed a little. I'm sure Pugs means well, but it the post comes over rather aggressively and is difficult to read due to the poor expression. Pfiff Finally making progress again, with a clothesline (yippee) and some much needed little things being attended to over the holidays. 40 C on New Year's eve? We love our a/c! Re: Data Cabling and You 16Dec 14, 2009 5:13 am ^ +1 Sheepdog... I just told hubby and sent him the link... his first words were... "looks like I'll be writing to our MP!" Never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level & then beat you with experience - Dilbert View Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=19733 Contract signed 14Sept Slab 30Sept Bricks laid 1Dec Lock up 26Feb Keys 10Jun Re: Data Cabling and You 17Dec 14, 2009 7:06 am Sheepdog wrote: Quote: We should always be pushing the bar higher. Couldn't resist not to join in and quote one of the best points. Such a simple and beautiful thought. One would think it would be logical and natural to just build (rules and regulations) around it. Too often, unfortunately, not a true driving force in practice. I think (and I've just replaced my elaborate ramblings with this simplified version) that various not-so-common-sense laws and regulations are there simply because of "the bottom line" (be it of monetary or "other" nature, and be it potential or actual). My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Data Cabling and You 18Dec 14, 2009 7:18 am You know what makes me think these data cabling laws are just another money grabbing exercise? You can't cable your own house even if you know what you are doing because you would be liable for any damaged caused to telstra equiptment. Has there ever been a case where someone's data cabling has caused damage to any of telstra's equiptment? Are the telcos liable for any damage to our equiptment if voltage comes down "their" phone lines as is the case with power surges which have happend many times? Ethernet is less than 5v so unless you do something really stupid it would never cause a problem, I wonder when they will make a law against stupidity? Re: Data Cabling and You 19Dec 14, 2009 1:12 pm I think the logical and pragmatic approach here, for those that want to DIY is as follows: 1) Get a qualified cable installer to wire from the modem to the telcommunciation network - one cable 2) Wire the rest yourself, being careful to not wire directly to the telecommunication network. The modem should provide all the isolation that is required between your network and the telcommunciation network. A little common sense goes a long way. BTW, all telecommunciation line cards (at the exchange end) have isolation between the outside world and the rest of the telecommunciation network. This is needed not only for faulty wiring in your house, but because the cable that travels kilometers underground (or overhead) is exposed to potential contact to mains voltage or lightning. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Data Cabling and You 20Dec 14, 2009 2:25 pm Quote: "on-the-spot fine of $1320" It would be interesting to find out how many fines have been issued and by who ? ACMA are pretty toothless and local councils would not have a clue. Insurance companies might be the only ones to take issue. Arguably more injuries and damages have been caused by DIY installation of light globes than data cables. Like many others, I think common sense needs to prevail here. I applaud and admire those who choose data cabling as a skilled profession and make a living from consulting, installing, and designing networks. However, running a hand full of low voltage wires through the walls of your home and clipping mechs on the ends to go into a router/modem should not require any special registration. If you don;t know what you're doing all that will happen is the neetwork won't work OR you'll fry your own local equipment. Pugs - I think it's an uphill battle to attempt to enforce this legislation. And it doesn't reflect well on the trade if you take such a hard-line holier-than-thou approach. I think you need to just let it go. You're better off accepting that there will always be DIY'ers around the place, they can choose to stuff things up if they want. Perhaps you could even capitalise on this "small" part of the client base by offering consulting/design services and then letting these DIY'ers install their own cables (after all - it will mean less of the dirty grunt work for you). There will always be work for data cablers either for home/domestic jobs, home office jobs, small business jobs etc... as many many people will choose not to do the job themselves. Scientists have used random matrix theory to demonstrate theoretically that the neutrino mass hierarchy can be explained mathematically. 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