Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Sep 23, 2009 12:32 pm Hi,
Have been lurking in this section for a few months now but am still at a loss as to what to get for our new house. I am doing a major reno in Sydney (2 storey house) and want to get a network for the following things: alarm, doorbell, intercom for living and bedrooms and 4 computer data points. Also will have 3 TV points with pay TV and a sound system in the living room (although don't need anything fancy like remotely turning on TV/music from another room). Phone points in kitchen, master bedroom, 2 in study (one for fax, other for internet). A couple of questions: 1. Is it better to get cabled network or should I go wireless? 2. What is C-bus and should I consider this? 3. Should I even network these things??? 4. Is an alarm essential in a house? We currently live in a secure apartment so have not used an alarm before. 5. Any recommendation on companies that install this? Thanks in advance. We are really not tech-savvy. Re: Networking advice 2Sep 23, 2009 12:53 pm Cables are your friend. Sounds like you don't need an alarm - so don't bother. Keep the intercom/doorbell solution as a completely separate system. Your pay TV is also a separate system. Now for the good stuff ... internet/data/phone. This is your "network". You should have all cables run from a central location (e.g. your study). This central location will also be the telecom "TO" point from the street. You should use CAT5 or 6 cable even for your phone points and have all points terminated with RJ-45 (data) sockets. In the central location you can have a pro network hub or a DIY switch + patch panel solution to service the rest of the data/phone points in the house. I hope some of that made sense. The main points are to have a central hub AND not to differentiate between phone and data points at the installation stage. Any home/data networking company will sort this out for you. Re: Networking advice 3Sep 23, 2009 4:23 pm also alarm retro fits are PITA as you can only really get PIR's better off with just better locks on all external doors and windows Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Networking advice 4Sep 23, 2009 8:59 pm JilaMint Now for the good stuff ... internet/data/phone. This is your "network". You should have all cables run from a central location (e.g. your study). This central location will also be the telecom "TO" point from the street. You should use CAT5 or 6 cable even for your phone points and have all points terminated with RJ-45 (data) sockets. In the central location you can have a pro network hub or a DIY switch + patch panel solution to service the rest of the data/phone points in the house. This is block diagram I threw together when I was planning the network for our new place. Puts the above in a pic. Data%20Plan.JPG Re: Networking advice 6Sep 28, 2009 12:15 pm Can I ask a silly question about RJ-45 ports and phones? Our phone plug is the standard Australian phone plug with an RJ-11 plug on the other end that goes into the phone. How would be go about using RJ-45 with the phone? I also have more general networking questions, but maybe I'll put those in another thread. Re: Networking advice 7Sep 28, 2009 12:32 pm Modeski Can I ask a silly question about RJ-45 ports and phones? Our phone plug is the standard Australian phone plug with an RJ-11 plug on the other end that goes into the phone. How would be go about using RJ-45 with the phone? I also have more general networking questions, but maybe I'll put those in another thread. no dramas at all as long as it is patched propperly at the other end... ie ona patch panel/ wall outlets not "daisey" chained like old school phone systems Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Networking advice 8Sep 28, 2009 5:18 pm Pugs Modeski Can I ask a silly question about RJ-45 ports and phones? Our phone plug is the standard Australian phone plug with an RJ-11 plug on the other end that goes into the phone. How would be go about using RJ-45 with the phone? I also have more general networking questions, but maybe I'll put those in another thread. no dramas at all as long as it is patched propperly at the other end... ie ona patch panel/ wall outlets not "daisey" chained like old school phone systems Pugs - is it true that plugging an RJ11 into an RJ45 (data) socket can damage the pins in the socket (even though it appears to be completely structurally compatible)? (to the extent that it will work fine for phone use, but if you ever wanted to use that point for data down the track, it could be no good) Re: Networking advice 9Sep 28, 2009 5:28 pm JilaMint Pugs - is it true that plugging an RJ11 into an RJ45 (data) socket can damage the pins in the socket (even though it appears to be completely structurally compatible)? (to the extent that it will work fine for phone use, but if you ever wanted to use that point for data down the track, it could be no good) yes ... I've seen it first hand too.. via repairing them, tho i can buy premade RJ45 8P8C - RJ11 6P4C ones for my cleints they are fairly easy to find online too, so really it isnt worth the hassle of jamming the connector into the socket.. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Networking advice 10Sep 29, 2009 1:29 pm modeksi Can I ask a silly question about RJ-45 ports and phones? Our phone plug is the standard Australian phone plug with an RJ-11 plug on the other end that goes into the phone. How would be go about using RJ-45 with the phone? I am going to have this problem also. Will look at premade cables but was also considering the reducers that change the RJ45 sockets to accept the RJ12 (6P4C) without fiddling around. Wont work for RJ11 (4P4C). Theory sounds good, not 100% if they completely solve the problem http://www.jaycar.com.au CAT. NO. YT6055 Re: Networking advice 11Sep 29, 2009 2:22 pm http://www.cableuniverse.co.uk/catalog/ ... cable.html basically about $4 each.. which to me is easier.. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Networking advice 12Mar 04, 2010 8:13 pm JilaMint Cables are your friend. Sounds like you don't need an alarm - so don't bother. Keep the intercom/doorbell solution as a completely separate system. Your pay TV is also a separate system. Now for the good stuff ... internet/data/phone. This is your "network". You should have all cables run from a central location (e.g. your study). This central location will also be the telecom "TO" point from the street. You should use CAT5 or 6 cable even for your phone points and have all points terminated with RJ-45 (data) sockets. In the central location you can have a pro network hub or a DIY switch + patch panel solution to service the rest of the data/phone points in the house. I hope some of that made sense. The main points are to have a central hub AND not to differentiate between phone and data points at the installation stage. Any home/data networking company will sort this out for you. I now want to add audio control in the living and rumpus rooms (on opposite ends of the house) in addition to the above. Should I still run separate systems or just automate these together? Re: Networking advice 13Mar 05, 2010 8:06 am I'd run a separate system for the audio as well. If you want an all-in-one system that incorporates these different areas together then you are looking at the high end of the market (big $$). Re: Networking advice 14Mar 05, 2010 8:09 am Rodda I'd run a separate system for the audio as well. If you want an all-in-one system that incorporates these different areas together then you are looking at the high end of the market (big $$). Thanks - that's what I thought. How much should it cost to have these separate systems? Re: Networking advice 15Mar 05, 2010 8:25 am Cheap 2-Zone audio system with control in each zone (but one that still has some quality): - 1 x Stereo Receiver with A+B speakers: approx. $400-$600 (depending on brand) - 2 x Pairs speakers (In-ceiling?): approx. $200-$400 (depending on brand) - 1 x IR Kit + a second IR Receiver: approx. $260+ (Selby) - Cabling (speaker cabling + Cat5E (or phone cable, but I prefer to just stick with Cat5E) for the IR Receivers in each zone) Add any other source you want to listen to (Receiver already includes AM/FM radio) - CD player, iPod dock... The above system would be controlled by the gear's own IR remotes from each of the 2 zones. Quite simple really... Re: Networking advice 16Mar 05, 2010 12:44 pm Rodda Cheap 2-Zone audio system with control in each zone (but one that still has some quality): - 1 x Stereo Receiver with A+B speakers: approx. $400-$600 (depending on brand) - 2 x Pairs speakers (In-ceiling?): approx. $200-$400 (depending on brand) - 1 x IR Kit + a second IR Receiver: approx. $260+ (Selby) - Cabling (speaker cabling + Cat5E (or phone cable, but I prefer to just stick with Cat5E) for the IR Receivers in each zone) Add any other source you want to listen to (Receiver already includes AM/FM radio) - CD player, iPod dock... The above system would be controlled by the gear's own IR remotes from each of the 2 zones. Quite simple really... Thanks Rodda - that will be a more affordable option. I assume any AV company can help set this up for me, correct? Sorry another question - what about pre-wiring? Is that a good option? How is the cost of pre-wiring compared to setting up individual components? Re: Networking advice 17Aug 13, 2010 11:47 am SYD-YYZ Rodda Cheap 2-Zone audio system with control in each zone (but one that still has some quality): - 1 x Stereo Receiver with A+B speakers: approx. $400-$600 (depending on brand) - 2 x Pairs speakers (In-ceiling?): approx. $200-$400 (depending on brand) - 1 x IR Kit + a second IR Receiver: approx. $260+ (Selby) - Cabling (speaker cabling + Cat5E (or phone cable, but I prefer to just stick with Cat5E) for the IR Receivers in each zone) Add any other source you want to listen to (Receiver already includes AM/FM radio) - CD player, iPod dock... The above system would be controlled by the gear's own IR remotes from each of the 2 zones. Quite simple really... Thanks Rodda - that will be a more affordable option. I assume any AV company can help set this up for me, correct? Sorry another question - what about pre-wiring? 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