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Red lines Cabling points back to office. Each Red line to be 2 runs of cable. Although we have had conduit put into the office it is not going to be large enough to hold 8 cables so I am considering leaving it and not using the conduit. Leaving that incase at a later stage we want to add a tv point in there and just have a surface run of cable down to whatever the cables will end in. Blue circle Conduit with draw wire. will need to put a blank face plate on here. Future tv point for fta tv- has a draw wire ready. Help! What to do? Suggestions from our h1 cablers wanted. Looking for basic low cost options. Looking for a simple suggestions to discuss with the 3 localish cablers who have said they are willing to quote on the job. 4 separate cabling locations each with 2 runs of cable. Also do we look at cat5e( my original plan) or do we look at cat6? Do I just need a patch panel for all the cables to complete at? I am not even sure what a patch panel does. I'm assuming it's more than a big switching hub. At our old house with the same equipment we ran the network with 2 comps running off 2 points on the modem and a 3rd point had the hub connected into it for our kids 2 computers. The spare point was used for computers I was working on and left empty most of the time. if I wanted to work in another part of the house I used my laptop and wireless. I want the base point in the office. The phone point comes into the house in the office in this same area. I'm happy enough for whatever we get to sit, not looking pretty. Whilst a server type cabinet would be nice it's not essential to start with. I'm happy to leave space at the desk end or have shelving. I don't care about it looking pretty. it's a work space not a magazine shoot cover area/ professional business office etc. Thoughts: I started only thinking of the network as being used for a computer network but now know I can run a main phone line to a 2ndry point using the cables when it suits us to do I'd like whatever end system we get to allow for this. I've also allowed for cabling to the main bedroom for a mains line phone and for me to hard connect to the network from here and cabling in the lounge for a computer or for streaming from the office for movies etc. Our main use phones will be voip based.We use MNF. Big Pong have enabled the exchange but we aren't with them so it's only adsl1 but as we use an adsl2 capable modem now we see no reason to change back. You never know your luck. the Adsl fairy might upgrade the exchange for other isps( won't happen town is too small) Not going in to my reasons why but we prefer to stay with our current isp. so not going satellite, wireless etc. not that it should make a different inside the house for a cabled system anyway. ) ( we already have wireless phone handsets as well as 2 normal phones) We currently use the wireless phones on voip. We have a mainly wired network with 2 wireless comps as well. I will be looking at replacing our current billion wireless adsl 4 port modem/router 7202gr2 with a newer model that allows fall back for the voip and has a detachable antenna( if i can get that too) in case I need to boost the wireless signal. Computers will be mostly located in the games for the next few years but there will also need to be access in the office and kids study area as well as our bedroom. We use an older 4 point switching hub as part of the current network. This will probably be in use in the games room for another couple of years before the network gets split up permanently between the kids study area and the office to allow for 2 comp connections on one of the cables. My idea was to have 2 loose cables running along the floor of the office. same wall as the cable end points) this wall will have an almost full length desk area. I can connect to these when I work in the office area rather than out in the games room and have a server for streaming /future printer connected here. These will not be part of the quote except to allow for them to be connected to 'whatever' everything ends in. So what should I ask? Do? What can you suggest? Blog http://wherethehearthis.blogspot.com/ Build https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=6634: Yard https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27687&p=378401#p378401 Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 2Mar 14, 2009 1:00 pm two "data" points either side of the main bedroom
also two data points to each bed room. meh have everyting run now will be cheaper In the long run... as for the other ends up to you really apatch panel can look sexy inthe right cabinet... as does flickering network activity lights... as for cables up to you really are you going to be doing lots of large file transfers ??? Cat5e is fine for Gige those distances... cat6 some what "future" proofs it as does also having space for a good all in one router, ie modem, router wirless 3G dual wan input Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 3Mar 14, 2009 1:18 pm Pugs
OK cat5e it is. if it needs to be something better we can change it all wayyyyyyyyy down the track. Yes will be upgrading the modem/router/wireless equip. Nope don't need extra points. Though I do wish I'd added one next to the tv point in the main bedroom. will have to live with a cable running across the floor from my side of the bed if we want to stream stuff. I had enough trouble getting DH to agree to the ones I've added. haven't told him yet I don't plan to use the one we've paid for in the office. We don't want them in the bedrooms other than the main. Not in favour of tv's or comps in kids bedrooms. And if they get to an age when they want privacy and the kids activity room connections won't do they will either have to use wireless or have organised their own phone line and connection.. All the conduits and draw wires we want are in ready for cabling. My main query is. do I need a patch panel for the office for where all the ends meet? IS a patch panel just a type of hub? There will be 10 ends if I include the 2 in the office. I think there are 16 port? patch panels. what other connection gear am I likely to be in for so that i can switch a cable to a main phone point or use it for voip? Office has plenty of space for a cabinet if we do end up getting one. Office is 6 x 6 so tons of room for gear. I'm hoping to avoid getting one straight off and looking around later for a 2nd hand one when the budget isn't so stretched. Since the networking needs to be in asap. We really want to avoid having to start off in the new house having to share our office( our parent escape space) with the kids to all be able to have net access. Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 4Mar 14, 2009 2:33 pm kexkez My main query is. do I need a patch panel for the office for where all the ends meet? IS a patch panel just a type of hub? There will be 10 ends if I include the 2 in the office. I think there are 16 port? patch panels. what other connection gear am I likely to be in for so that i can switch a cable to a main phone point or use it for voip? Office has plenty of space for a cabinet if we do end up getting one. Office is 6 x 6 so tons of room for gear. I'm hoping to avoid getting one straight off and looking around later for a 2nd hand one when the budget isn't so stretched. Since the networking needs to be in asap. We really want to avoid having to start off in the new house having to share our office( our parent escape space) with the kids to all be able to have net access. there are 16ports on the market but they are hard to find... 24 is stock off the shelf for any data/ sparky guy pannel is a "interconnecting" peice of equipment .. pretty much once all the cables are terminated to it you can patch anyting to anywhere also once you have the propper patch cables... for either end hubs are bad terminolgy, you will need a 16 port networking switch cabinet sits on the wall 6RU would be more then enough to also add in "air" flow around gear.. i really find it hard to explain this stuff via typing I'm very much a in person or over the phone kinda guy Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 5Mar 14, 2009 4:51 pm ok thanks for that Pugs. yes I'd seen there were 24 port ones. didn't realise the 16's were less common fish. I keep looking at network supply places but I am better off waiting until I get quotes etc I'm sure their prices would be better for gear than what I could source. Assuming they don't mark it up heaps. I will make sure i get an itemised quote so I can check pricings. ATM ours is a switching hub but I don't want anything more at the user end because it isn't the permanent home for the computers to be. Just a short term ( 2-4 yr max location) Do I need something like a 16/24 port networking switch at the patch panel end? Is that what you are meaning? Like I said I am not sure what the patch panel does apart from providing an end for all the cables. is that all it does? So I'm up for a patch panel, a network switch and whatever modem I want? plus of course all my cable runs, the end bits and the face plates.??
Then anything more advanced can go on later???? Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 6Mar 14, 2009 5:01 pm kexkez ATM ours is a switching hub but I don't want anything more at the user end because it isn't the permanent home for the computers to be. Just a short term ( 2-4 yr max location) what brand and model number?? kexkez Do I need something like a 16/24 port networking switch at the patch panel end? Is that what you are meaning? Yes kexkez Like I said I am not sure what the patch panel does apart from providing an end for all the cables. is that all it does? Yes kexkez So I'm up for a patch panel, a network switch and whatever modem I want? plus of course all my cable runs, the end bits and the face plates.?? Yes... if you can get a better price on the actual brains of the gear ie modem/ router and other gear from esle then go for it.. as long as it does the job... kexkez Then anything more advanced can go on later???? pretty much yeah tho I'ma big fan of dogn it all at once and adding conduits for add ons later... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 7Mar 14, 2009 5:12 pm too later to add additional conduits. I'm in wa,. double brick here. It's already done with draw wires, sizing as per 2 of the cablers i contacted here's minimum sizing request. Our builder wasn't interested in offering it as a package and won't let anyone into the build before handover so was the only way to do it.
the hub is a basic switching one we've had for quite a while it's only a 4 port 10/100 belkin model so no good for the patch panel end and it's not built for that kind of job anyway. . Never heard anything good about the model but it's never caused us any problems in the 6+years we've had it. I'm prob gonna go billion again for the modem/router/wireless. There's a few models just been/being released atm. I've got a couple of months to decide. Could always use what we have now if we have to. Anything more can wait since just getting cables out of sight will be pleasure enough. Once the cabler has done his part I can build up the additional equipment for additional uses as I talk Dh around to it. . Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 8Mar 14, 2009 6:15 pm yeja even being adie hard linksys fan boi I'm even recommending Billion to people esp th eone with Gige as stock and all in one will be getting one soon onc ei can afford it... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 9Jul 04, 2009 7:31 pm Pugs did you end up getting a billion? what one if you did? Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 10Jul 05, 2009 12:58 am kexkez Pugs did you end up getting a billion? what one if you did? the 7404VNPX.... oh my god it is awesome Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 11Jul 05, 2009 10:45 am Pugs the 7404VNPX.... oh my god it is awesome yes i can confirm this too, ive got one and it ticks all the boxes. adsl2 4x port gigglybit wifi n! voip backup 3G! piano white billion support! 10x times better than DLINK! http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/sea ... npx&spos=3 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 12Jul 05, 2009 1:25 pm FireFox Pugs the 7404VNPX.... oh my god it is awesome yes i can confirm this too, ive got one and it ticks all the boxes. adsl2 4x port gigglybit wifi n! voip backup 3G! piano white billion support! 10x times better than DLINK! http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/sea ... npx&spos=3 Yeah I got the BiPAC 7404VNOX 3 weeks ago and it's a fantastic piece of equipment. The Billion representer at Whirlpool said that they're working on a firmware to make it act as a router as well. Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 13Jul 05, 2009 1:26 pm umm it is a modem/router.... what other functionablity do you want in the unit ??? Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 14Jul 05, 2009 1:30 pm Pugs umm it is a modem/router.... what other functionablity do you want in the unit ??? I mean using one of the LAN ports as a WAN port instead. So you could use it with PON modems when the new NBN kicks in. Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 15Jul 05, 2009 2:31 pm iTalk Pugs umm it is a modem/router.... what other functionablity do you want in the unit ??? I mean using one of the LAN ports as a WAN port instead. So you could use it with PON modems when the new NBN kicks in. gee by then i would have replaced my gear at least 2-3 times already.... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 16Jul 05, 2009 5:34 pm Pugs i would have replaced my gear at least 2-3 times already.... yeah i think most ppl dont realize how much work is involved in the NBN, my guess is 7yrs minimum 2nd-Fix | Blog Building with Desyn Homes previously with the insolvent [url=https://www.facebook.com/7NewsAdelaide/videos/1162546323776021/]Endeavour Homes[/url] Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 17Jul 05, 2009 7:38 pm Pugs gee by then i would have replaced my gear at least 2-3 times already.... I don't think a Gigabit capability with N wireless capability will be absolete in a couple of years, but then perspective varies. The NBN is an 8 year project, so my new estate might be the first to adapt this new technology, so one year from now is not that far, is it ? Re: NOT HT but network- Cable Guys here's your chance 18Jul 06, 2009 5:04 pm FireFox Pugs i would have replaced my gear at least 2-3 times already.... yeah i think most ppl dont realize how much work is involved in the NBN, my guess is 7yrs minimum At the fibre to the home estates (Velocity) ftth is already available and having the WAN port would be very beneficial. I am hoping new firmware comes out for the billion 7404VG* brand of routers allowing us to use one of the incoming ports as a wan port. 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