Browse Forums Home Theatre & Automation 1 Mar 09, 2009 6:02 pm We are building a double storey and are planning to run cat 6 cable between the floors. What is the best way to secure the cable/s to the timber joists? Some people we have spoken to say to use catenary wire but unsure if this is overkill. We are aware of minimum distances from power etc but are unsure on the best way to fix the cable to make sure it is not pinched or bent. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 2Mar 09, 2009 10:56 pm snhouse We are building a double storey and are planning to run cat 6 cable between the floors. What is the best way to secure the cable/s to the timber joists? Some people we have spoken to say to use catenary wire but unsure if this is overkill. We are aware of minimum distances from power etc but are unsure on the best way to fix the cable to make sure it is not pinched or bent. assuming your getting the job suprevised by someone...as you can't run any wires with out it being done by a licensed or with out them "supervising" you.... they should be instructing you how to do this Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 3Mar 10, 2009 12:44 am Well how about someone just tells him then so he can make sure that the person supervising him is also getting it correct and done the best way?
I'm sure he's well aware of the legality and just wants to make sure Our Blog! http://cityplantation.blogspot.com | Building the Havana 485 with Plantation Homes (Henley) Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 4Mar 10, 2009 12:50 am that person should have their licensed taken away then... Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 5Mar 10, 2009 7:26 am You can run any Cat 6 Cabling yourself.... provided it doesn't connect through any device to the Telstra network...
Just remember your minimum clearances from power... And in terms of fixing the cabling... Given that is hidden, all that has been done before is a screw/nail in the beams with the CAT draped over and along... If you are planning on connected the cabling as a network, and hence to the Telstra network, you must get a licensed cabler... Your electrician will most likely have this qualification, and be more than happy to supervise you installing the CAT 6... Electrical Engineer... Don't hold that against me... And keen owner builder... Mainly the building part!! Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 6Mar 10, 2009 9:04 pm Thanks for your responses Gester and chuth77 and yes it is being done by a professional but we just want to make sure that it is being done the right way. The biggest lesson we have learnt during the building process is trust nobody and check everything. In this case especially as it is a double story and correcting anything will be a big pain in the you know what! Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 7Mar 10, 2009 9:39 pm Im pretty sure the law is that any fixed (inwall) cabling has to be done by a licensed electrician, regardless of what it connects too.
the main one sparkies screw up is putting it too close to electrical cables, cause they are lazy. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 8Mar 10, 2009 9:43 pm Pugs snhouse We are building a double storey and are planning to run cat 6 cable between the floors. What is the best way to secure the cable/s to the timber joists? Some people we have spoken to say to use catenary wire but unsure if this is overkill. We are aware of minimum distances from power etc but are unsure on the best way to fix the cable to make sure it is not pinched or bent. assuming your getting the job suprevised by someone...as you can't run any wires with out it being done by a licensed or with out them "supervising" you.... they should be instructing you how to do this Actually PUGS, we have had numerous quotes on this and they vary a lot, we simpily want to know if this "catenary wire" is actually necessary for CAT 6 in a domestic home after being told by one contractor we had to, while others say it's not and use cable clips. We had to change some locations due to power points being near by which we understand, but If it's so much harder and more $$$ to run CAT 6, we will just go with cat5e. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 9Mar 10, 2009 10:16 pm cantarney wires arn't needed for donestic installs i've done them with no dramas...
Cart6 isn't needed for 99% of domestic installs unless a specific device needs it. the way you posted your oringal question sounded like you where going to do it yourself.. so maybe if you had posted it in a different way i would have anwsered in a better way.... sounds like the guy who wants to install cantenry wire has no idea about donestic installs Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 10Mar 11, 2009 7:19 am Licences no longer exist.
Its a registry system now. http://www.acma.gov.au/WEB/STANDARD/pc=PC_1455 Basically (taken from the rule book AS/ACIF S009:2006): If you intend to connect to the Telstra network...... 4.1 Performance of cabling work (1) Cabling work of any of the types mentioned in Part 2 must be performed by: (a) a registered cabling provider; or (b) an individual mentioned in subsection (2). (2) An individual who is not a registered cabling provider (an unregistered cabling provider) may perform cabling work only if the individual is supervised, at all times while performing cabling work, by a registered cabling provider. 1.3 Definitions In these Rules: cabling provider, means an individual who performs or supervises cabling work. 2.2 Open cabling work Open cabling work is any type of cabling work (including aerial or underground cabling work on private or public property) in which the customer cabling that is used terminates at the network boundary on a socket, a network termination device or a distributor. BUT this is for the phone side of the rules, I can't find anywhere in my Structured Cabling Rules that you need to be a registered cabler for home networking. So anyway, catenary wires systems are used in commercial sites to keep the cables off suspended ceilings. Its a lovely way to install cables but unnecessary in domestic situations. Cable clips of the correct size will do just fine as long as the contractor abides by the maximum bend radius and separation rules. One thing to keep in mind is if a cable is clipped, its hard to pull another cable through if need be at a later date. Licenced Sparky and Data Cabler If "The Data Guys" is too long to type, TDG will do. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 11Mar 11, 2009 8:14 am For my own curiosity i just rang the ACMA.
All telecommunication cabling which will connect either directly or indirectly must adhere to the standard S009, which states you must be licenced. AS3080 is the Structured Cabling "Guideline" or standard which is not enforced as it isn't a part of the Act. So in short, the cabler must be registered and preferably have a Structured Cabling endorsement to install the cables in you house. Licenced Sparky and Data Cabler If "The Data Guys" is too long to type, TDG will do. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 14Mar 14, 2009 7:13 am chuth77 Like I said!!! Sorry mate. I didn't mean to tread on your toes. I have found there is so much "information" on the net but, as i am sure everyone has seen, some of it can be misguided. I wanted to post with quotes from the standards for all to see. Since I am registered, I forgot what you can do WITHOUT a licence. People seem to think that its fine to run their own cables and even terminate it themselves only because they are unaware of the hefty fines involved. Licenced Sparky and Data Cabler If "The Data Guys" is too long to type, TDG will do. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 15Apr 07, 2009 2:56 pm Just wanted to clarify... We cannot just install CAT5 and CAT6 as a DIY? CAT5/CAT6 for Networking and/or Home Automation? what about speaker wires, hdmi, RCA, Coax and Toslink? The reason I asked this is because I'm building my house and now planning for all types of cables. Thanks Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 16Apr 07, 2009 3:01 pm NO DIY for any cable that has the potential to be plugged directly or via other devices into the Telecommunications network. TV, audio and toslink stuf is fine for DIY but if you have a cabler on site you may as well ask for his help to run those cables aswell if you want to provide everything related to that side and add a bonus to his payment... I certainly don't have an issue leading a hand with that kind of stuff if I'm on the site already on that day. Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 17Apr 07, 2009 4:25 pm Hi Pugs, Thanks for the reply. Further clarification, I plan to stream media from my desktop to a stand alone player via CAT5. so there will be a small hub in between for a small network (ADSL Router with 4 LAN ports), this is still a NO NO for DIY CAT5 cabling? Thanks in advance for patiently answering my queries. Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 18Apr 07, 2009 4:45 pm still has potential to be plugged in to the "Telecon Network" so yeah... as it is connected to the "network" Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal Re: Wiring help please - TDG or anyone else 20Apr 07, 2009 4:58 pm no dramas..where abouts are you from and where abouts are you building ?? Kodiak Data Cabling onFaceBook Consult*, Design and Installation Data, TV, Home Theatre/ AV Cabling, Multi Room Audio, IP CCTV and Door Intercoms Ask for a Quote. *DIY DATA Cabling Is Ilegal A survey must’ve completed by a certified surveyor. This form part of every DA requirement 3 223637 1 408 Thankyou so much 😀 I've decided on White on white for doors and trims, White on white 50% on ceiling and Mt buller for walls. Fingers crossed it will look OK 😀 2 7171 |