Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jul 14, 2020 1:04 am Hi All I am building a house that is 187.33 sq meters in Drysdale, Victoria. I have attached the proposed siting. Please note I have not received the soil survey report yet. I am pretty new to all this. The drawing appears to show 14 piers along with drop edge beam walls, cutting and filling. Based on the drawings, is an allowance of $25,000 enough or too little. Thanks for your help. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Site Costs 2Jul 14, 2020 7:37 am Hi Phillip Request a copy of the soil report, that is not a certifiable plan BTW, the engineering plans and details are required to have the engineers details on them Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site Costs 3Jul 14, 2020 9:36 am StructuralBIMGuy Hi Phillip Request a copy of the soil report, that is not a certifiable plan BTW, the engineering plans and details are required to have the engineers details on them Cheers Chris Hi Chris, Thanks for your message. I signed and paid a deposit yesterday for $1500. The sales consultant said that the soil report would take 4 to 5 weeks. A bit mistrustful of the sales team - first she said don't fix your site costs, but allow for $25,000. Only after I paid the deposit, she showed me this drawing and then she said site costs cannot be fixed at $25,000 and it would be more! My other question is: Can this preliminary drawing I attached be made without a soil report and is it just indicative? The sales consultant also acknowledged that the soil report would be the final source of truth. Re: Site Costs 4Jul 14, 2020 10:43 am Hi Philip That is the modus operandi for new home sales Don't give the client any information until they have paid a deposit and then what they give you is contradictory rubbish. They will continue to draw you in ( excuse the pun) and ask for more monies for additional services, before you know it you are knee deep in BS Unfortunately, this is the problem with a unregulated sales industry.. no consumer protection Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site Costs 5Jul 14, 2020 2:11 pm I think sometimes the site costs are a number that they suck out of their thumb. My builder gave me a site cost "allowance" of $35k (wouldn't fix) and I ended up paying $27k (less than the allowance). This included 50 piles (half concrete and half screws) Re: Site Costs 6Jul 14, 2020 3:28 pm brokenstick I think sometimes the site costs are a number that they suck out of their thumb. My builder gave me a site cost "allowance" of $35k (wouldn't fix) and I ended up paying $27k (less than the allowance). This included 50 piles (half concrete and half screws) Hi , wow ok. That's not bad. What was the fall on your block. Cheers Re: Site Costs 8Jul 15, 2020 9:51 pm Berek FYI I just had 54 x 1m piers poured for $3,550 (including pump and labour). Nope no missing zeros 4m3 concrete, auger ( 1 day) ,pump ( 3 hrs) & labour that's all its worth Thanks for sharing Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site Costs 9Jul 15, 2020 10:08 pm StructuralBIMGuy Hi Philip That is the modus operandi for new home sales Don't give the client any information until they have paid a deposit and then what they give you is contradictory rubbish. They will continue to draw you in ( excuse the pun) and ask for more monies for additional services, before you know it you are knee deep in BS Unfortunately, this is the problem with a unregulated sales industry.. no consumer protection Cheers Chris Hi Chris, I went to the builder and was pretty firm but polite saying they weren't transparent and upfront with me. I have requested a refund and walked away thankfully before it was too late. But now it's back to the drawing board. Re: Site Costs 10Jul 16, 2020 6:25 am philip mathew . But now it's back to the drawing board. If the salesperson can't be honest and transparent upfront it's probably for the best. I do recommend you have your own contour, sketch/drawings, specifications, preliminary engineering, data and quantities and then get 3 builders to quote Ask them to sharpen their quoting pencils OT, I am finding $25K seems to be a magical number for builders, interestingly, it's the same as the Fed grant stimulus package amount? The double whammy is that home owners get no added value while tax payers are getting ripped off... my2c Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site Costs 11Jul 16, 2020 10:50 pm Hi, I have just visited plenty of builders requesting a demo and build. My block has a 5 meter slope down and therefore all the quotes i have got range from $40k to $80k. I also called independent demolishers and they quoted from $10k to 25K. This is what confuses me, are the prices based on that we are getting the govt grant and they also want a piece of it, or they are very busy and they not interested at this stage or are the quotes legit. Due to the slope, builders have told me that there will be plenty of retaining wall here, there and everywhere, plenty of soil fill and therefore the cost will be in excess of $60k. I thought this govt grant was meant to help us but it looks like like everyone has increased their prices. Anyone also had this problem and anyone know how to deal with it? Re: Site Costs 13Jul 17, 2020 7:36 am Hi Naveennavi Welcome to the forum The govt Grant is to assist builders and they have already jacked up their prices 10% to accommodate ($25K) and no giveaways The only way to deal with it as mentioned above, is to have proper drawings, engineering, data, costs estimates, gather your senses and try negotiating a fairer price BTW, you can't do that by not knowing what you are dealing with and the builder owns copyright on the design. OT, If you are going to be sucked into what's happening and 100,000 will.. then that's going to be an even bigger problem , when the market flattens again in 12 month time. I suggest you plan carefully Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site Costs 14Jul 17, 2020 7:54 am alexp79 With 5 m slope you can consider building a with house with pier and beam type of foundation. This will be relatively cheaper option and should not be involving any significant site works too. There is no other cheaper option this is it Slab and siteworks Costs and I have provided the 3D Bim and engineering Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Site Costs 15Jul 17, 2020 8:45 am StructuralBIMGuy Hi Naveennavi Welcome to the forum The govt Grant is to assist builders and they have already jacked up their prices 10% to accommodate ($25K) and no giveaways The only way to deal with it as mentioned above, is to have proper drawings, engineering, data, costs estimates, gather your senses and try negotiating a fairer price BTW, you can't do that by not knowing what you are dealing with and the builder owns copyright on the design. OT, If you are going to be sucked into what's happening and 100,000 will.. then that's going to be an even bigger problem , when the market flattens again in 12 month time. I suggest you plan carefully Cheers Chris Exactly! the government stimulus has increased consumer demand, which has allowed builders to raise their prices. New homes are more expensive now than before in the already depressed, and ultra competitive market before the stimulus. There are always side effects with such government interventions into markets. Taxpayers have funded a 10% increase in builders prices. The community benefit is this supports employment in the building industry, Australia's largest private employer, which has flow on effects in supporting the rest of the economy. Re: Site Costs 16Jul 17, 2020 9:16 pm StructuralBIMGuy Hi Philip That is the modus operandi for new home sales Don't give the client any information until they have paid a deposit and then what they give you is contradictory rubbish. They will continue to draw you in ( excuse the pun) and ask for more monies for additional services, before you know it you are knee deep in BS Unfortunately, this is the problem with a unregulated sales industry.. no consumer protection Cheers Chris Exactly why I do what I do "Keep the b*stards honest" Re: Site Costs 17Jul 19, 2020 7:40 pm philip mathew Hi All I am building a house that is 187.33 sq meters in Drysdale, Victoria. I have attached the proposed siting. Please note I have not received the soil survey report yet. I am pretty new to all this. The drawing appears to show 14 piers along with drop edge beam walls, cutting and filling. Based on the drawings, is an allowance of $25,000 enough or too little. Thanks for your help. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ 25k site cost for such a small house. My second house is constructing now in Truganina area. it is 185sq. My land is petty much flat with fillings. Before sign the contract I asked them to fix my site cost. Actually my site has lot of rocks so they asked me 10k initially but it ended up with 8.5k. Even though your plan have 14 piers, it seems 25k site cost is too much. Do more investigation. Visit other builders and ask and get the intel about site cost. Is this your first home? Builders like first home clients as they can easily rip them off. Re: Site Costs 18Jul 21, 2020 11:50 am Norfolk StructuralBIMGuy Hi Naveennavi Welcome to the forum The govt Grant is to assist builders and they have already jacked up their prices 10% to accommodate ($25K) and no giveaways The only way to deal with it as mentioned above, is to have proper drawings, engineering, data, costs estimates, gather your senses and try negotiating a fairer price BTW, you can't do that by not knowing what you are dealing with and the builder owns copyright on the design. OT, If you are going to be sucked into what's happening and 100,000 will.. then that's going to be an even bigger problem , when the market flattens again in 12 month time. I suggest you plan carefully Cheers Chris Exactly! the government stimulus has increased consumer demand, which has allowed builders to raise their prices. New homes are more expensive now than before in the already depressed, and ultra competitive market before the stimulus. There are always side effects with such government interventions into markets. Taxpayers have funded a 10% increase in builders prices. The community benefit is this supports employment in the building industry, Australia's largest private employer, which has flow on effects in supporting the rest of the economy. There are obviously many variables, but if prices are raised by the amount of the grant, then consumer demand should not increase (in theory) and then the construction industry is no better off. I am also highly sceptical of how much trouble the construction industry is really in. I know it's fun to whinge about this industry, but they are a genuinely deceitful industry who only a few month ago, were commending the housing and construction market for their resilience to COVID-19. Now they have had a taste of stimulus, they have backflipped and are highlighting how they were struggling since the start of COVID-19 and how effective the stimulus has been. They will say whatever needs to be said with no concern for the societal welfare. Is anyone building with Mojo and have a recent site cost tender 0 16088 Henley should give you some indication of site costs. Too many variable to give you any reasonable accuracy 1 2013 Looking to tile the facade pillars rather than rendering. Builder is quoting 2500$ laying cost for upto 10msq. The 2 pillars come to be 16msq. So laying costs are 5000$… 0 7915 |