Jun 18, 2020 12:43 am
Are visible plasterboard joins common after painting? We’ve been told by our builder that this is normal.
We have majority of white walls with one room having monument walls, the joins are quite visible almost everywhere, especially in the room with the black walls.
We personally hate it and do not think this is normal but need some advice regarding this.
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint3
Jun 18, 2020 1:41 pm
We've built and owned a few homes and I've never noticed plaster joints in walls before, but definitely in ceilings under the right light conditions....or not depending on how terrible the plastering was!
So I would be surprised with this on walls. Our recent build had a long hallway with heaps of glancing light and it gave us and the builder no end of grief....in the end they upgraded it to the 'Level 5' plaster finish to get it reasonable.
But my main point here is with all this glancing light etc we certainly saw plaster defects (waves etc) but no joints at all on the walls.
So I am thinking you should push a bit harder with this. There are specs that the plasterboard manufacturers put out, so maybe download those and take a look.
Here is the hallway issue, where you can see ripples down the wall....but honestly if we couldn't see plaster joints under these light conditions then I can't imagine you should be either?
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint5
Jun 18, 2020 2:53 pm
Yes, Level 5 finish (skimming whole wall) should be coming by default for areas with a lot of focused lightning.
Also, how many coats of paint do you have there?
I mean to say you should get Level 5 by default but realistically no standard builders will include it from my experience. If I was owner building, then yes in future I would make sure in this type of situation to go with Level 5.
I think we ended up with 4 coats of paint, but 3 is their standard. This hallway needed more work after this pic was taken. It still isn't perfect, but now we've moved in we don't pay any attention to it to be honest.
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint6
Jun 18, 2020 6:07 pm
It’s a bit hard to see in these photos but hopefully, you can see them. It looks so much worse in person and in daylight.
The white walls are hard to see also and there is not much light at the moment to showcase it.
We questioned the builder about using a level five finish and he simply said “our plasters wouldn’t even know how to do that” I was a bit concerned when they said this.
We were never even offered the level 5 finish option in the first place, and I even said to him, if we were offered it I would have originally been happy to pay extra for it. I even have mentioned the multiple nail pops throughout the home as well. Frustrated is an understatement
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint10
Jun 18, 2020 6:29 pm
I agree it doesn't look too good. I also think your plasterers aren't the best crew going around. I think your dark paint has highlighted the issue, but you still shouldn't see those joint lines so clearly.
When we built with Simonds over 10 years ago we were similarly unhappy with sighting these types of lines in our main ceiling. They argued with CSR over the quality of the actual board (load of crap if you ask me....just poor workmanship)....anyhow not sure who paid but it was all re-sanded and re-painted. Came up much better second time around, so it is certainly possible with some work to get it looking better.
The builder will likely test you out to see if you are willing to hold up handover to get it sorted. They will likely use delay tactics until closer to handover, then rely on you giving up and just moving in. Fairly predictable approach for most builders unfortunately.
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint11
Jun 18, 2020 6:33 pm
You generally see those joints when the joints were not well sanded. Level 5 is certainly the best thing to have, however, with proper workmanship you shouldn't be see joints that clearly on Level 4 either.
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint12
Jun 18, 2020 10:56 pm
They have under filled the joints.
When you screw trades down they start looking for any way to save a buck. Maybe they save a bucket of topping per job and it adds up. This budget saving methodology of work gets passed on to anyone they train, so all of a sudden it becomes common place.
It's also less sanding so they move quicker.
Unfortunately for so many trades (and their builders) it ends up being a race to the bottom.
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Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint14
Jun 19, 2020 12:39 am
Thanks for the replies everyone. Much appreciated and very helpful as usual. It’s a shame that home owners are the only ones who get screwed with subpar work in the end as we pay substantial amounts for these homes.. if the builder wants to screw their trades down I don’t feel like that should be on us.
99% of plasterers on east coast would not be capable of level 5 finish. Its not required.
Do you think the joins in rest of house are done any better?
Not really.. some (and I mean only a couple) are fine, the rest are just as bad as the white wall photo I posted. I cannot imagine living with the walls as they are for very long, it’s already driving me nuts and it hasn’t been a week.
The owner of the franchise has now come back (after seeing my photos) saying he understands and wants us to enjoy our new home which is a good sign, fingers crossed they fix it without a battle.
Re: Visible Plasterboard Joins after paint16
Jun 19, 2020 8:03 pm
how do they fix this now?
does basecoat and topcoat stick to the wall? will it have to be roughed up back to basecoat plaster?
I’m assuming it’ll need to be sanded back and repainted at the bare minimum. Otherwise, they will probably need to refinish it to a higher finish level.
I guess time will tell for us.
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