Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Apr 03, 2020 10:39 am Hi, how are you guys? Yeah, I've been given a TON of advice of building a home, and a lot of it seems a bit suspicious. Seems like it's someone purposefully giving me bad advice, to potentially manipulate me. Some of it contradicts what others have told me. Even more frustrating is that I have no way to verify it all. 1 -- That I have to rent on the island before I can build there. Also been told the opposite is true, that I don't have to live on the island first. 2 -- That it would be easier to build (somehow) if I rented there. I wasn't given an argument as to why that would be. 3 -- It would be cheaper to rent near the building site first because otherwise, I would need to pay $5,000 to get a shipping container. The last move took 4 car trips. I calculated the fuel and barge cost of the 4 trips, and it was well under $5,000. I showed the person that made this claim this information, they maintained the claim without refuting this information or giving an additional argument. 4 -- That I need to rent on the island so I can buy things like a mattress and a mower. No argument was given as to why I would need to do that. 5 -- I need to rent on the island before making decisions in regards to the build. The example given was which drapes to install. 6 -- That the bedrooms should be at least 3m by 3m. That even bigger is better. 7 -- That I need to rent near my property, get a lawnmower and mow the grass on my property because the grass will be tall. 8 -- That I need to apply for the first home owner's grant right now. Directly contradicts the government saying on their website that an application needs to go in after the “supports structure” (I don't know the correct term) of the home goes in. Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 2Apr 03, 2020 12:23 pm Moromillas Radec Hi, how are you guys? Yeah, I've been given a TON of advice of building a home, and a lot of it seems a bit suspicious. Seems like it's someone purposefully giving me bad advice, to potentially manipulate me. Some of it contradicts what others have told me. Even more frustrating is that I have no way to verify it all. 1 -- That I have to rent on the island before I can build there. Also been told the opposite is true, that I don't have to live on the island first. 2 -- That it would be easier to build (somehow) if I rented there. I wasn't given an argument as to why that would be. 3 -- It would be cheaper to rent near the building site first because otherwise, I would need to pay $5,000 to get a shipping container. The last move took 4 car trips. I calculated the fuel and barge cost of the 4 trips, and it was well under $5,000. I showed the person that made this claim this information, they maintained the claim without refuting this information or giving an additional argument. 4 -- That I need to rent on the island so I can buy things like a mattress and a mower. No argument was given as to why I would need to do that. 5 -- I need to rent on the island before making decisions in regards to the build. The example given was which drapes to install. 6 -- That the bedrooms should be at least 3m by 3m. That even bigger is better. 7 -- That I need to rent near my property, get a lawnmower and mow the grass on my property because the grass will be tall. 8 -- That I need to apply for the first home owner's grant right now. Directly contradicts the government saying on their website that an application needs to go in after the “supports structure” (I don't know the correct term) of the home goes in. 1. I don't see why you need to rent there before building? Anyone can build wherever they like, what if you were building a rental home, with no intention of living there? Unless there's some underlying rules of the island or something I don't see why this is said. If there are rules, you should be given them, or you should be able to find them. 2. ?? What. I only see it as easier for you to visit the block and see how the build is going, but you really don't need to live there for it to be easier to build, UNLESS of course you're an owner-builder. 3. Obviously moving would be easier if you lived closer to the property, but if you're ok with moving your things across on a barge once the home is built, don't see the problem. 4. You can buy a mattress and mower anywhere and bring it over on the boat? Why do you have to rent? 5. Yeah, living on the island and knowing how it is temperature wise, which way the sun goes etc would help with build decisions but honestly you don't have to live there to have a clue on what you potentially want, like air-conditioning. 6. 3mx3m rooms are more desirable for sure, especially when it comes to sell the property. Bigger is also better, but not too big. 4x4 is nice. Check your covenant to see if they actually state a minimum room size. 7. Yes, you may need to mow the block before the building commences but it shouldn't be a problem after that until the build is finished. You could just visit the island to do it, or hire someone on the island. 8. You should apply once you've signed a build contract & have confirmation of your finance. Your broker or bank should guide you through usually. Building Grange 22 by Coral Homes in QLD -> https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=97426&p=1860633#p1860633 Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 3Apr 03, 2020 12:51 pm Thanks hey. The bad advice I've been given. Do you think it might be intentional? To try and get me to move to the island before building? Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 4Apr 03, 2020 12:56 pm Moromillas Radec Thanks hey. The bad advice I've been given. Do you think it might be intentional? To try and get me to move to the island before building? It depends who gave you the advise I guess. It does seem like they're desperate to have you move to the island first based on what you've popped down. Are they going to get rent money or something? Building Grange 22 by Coral Homes in QLD -> https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=97426&p=1860633#p1860633 Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 5Apr 03, 2020 1:05 pm A relative. They don't live on the island though. Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 7Apr 03, 2020 1:28 pm But there is such a thing as deliberately spreading misinformation. And doing so to try and steer someone's actions. Well, I wouldn't have to interact with that person any more. And they with me. Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 8Apr 03, 2020 1:55 pm I agree.. they could be just trying to give advice but really bad advice? It for sure sounds like they are trying to steer your actions towards renting on the island, it's obvious, and if your hunch tells you its so they don't have to interact with you a lot any more then that could be it. If there's no "rule book" saying you need to rent there to build there, no authority has told you how to build etc etc... don't listen to the advice. You do what you want to do, and what you're comfortable with, it's your life and build after all!! Building Grange 22 by Coral Homes in QLD -> https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=97426&p=1860633#p1860633 Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 9Apr 03, 2020 3:08 pm I don't think it's bad advice, some of it is sensible, some of it is overkill - but not exactly mean spirited or misleading. Moving to an island? Not know the current living arrangements it may well be a sensible suggestion to rent before deciding to build. Living on an island can be quite a different lifestyle if you're used to more dense urban living. I get the sense there's a little bit of over reaction going on. Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 10Apr 03, 2020 3:19 pm I don't think that the advice you are given is genuine or well intentioned and is probably disrespectful. They must think that you came over on the last boat (don't know anything). A phone call to the council will expose the fallacy. Do your own research and make up your own mind and say thanks but no thanks to the advice you are given. Usually free advice is not worth the paper it not written on. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 11Apr 03, 2020 3:26 pm dga I don't think it's bad advice, some of it is sensible, some of it is overkill - but not exactly mean spirited or misleading. Moving to an island? Not know the current living arrangements it may well be a sensible suggestion to rent before deciding to build. Living on an island can be quite a different lifestyle if you're used to more dense urban living. I get the sense there's a little bit of over reaction going on. It may be an over-reaction to assume it's mean spirited but saying a person HAS to move somewhere before building is misleading, because it isn't true. It seems like Moromillas already decided to build there? "That I have to rent on the island before I can build there. Also been told the opposite is true, that I don't have to live on the island first." The way Moromillas stated this is suggesting the person who told him he has to live there first, wasn't suggesting that he rented to get a feeling for the island, but that they have to be a resident of the island before building there? I do agree though, some of the advice is sensible, like the 3x3 or bigger rooms, the rest, mostly an overkill. Building Grange 22 by Coral Homes in QLD -> https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=97426&p=1860633#p1860633 Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 12Apr 03, 2020 3:37 pm Harweeeee dga I don't think it's bad advice, some of it is sensible, some of it is overkill - but not exactly mean spirited or misleading. Moving to an island? Not know the current living arrangements it may well be a sensible suggestion to rent before deciding to build. Living on an island can be quite a different lifestyle if you're used to more dense urban living. I get the sense there's a little bit of over reaction going on. It may be an over-reaction to assume it's mean spirited but saying a person HAS to move somewhere before building is misleading, because it isn't true. It seems like Moromillas already decided to build there? "That I have to rent on the island before I can build there. Also been told the opposite is true, that I don't have to live on the island first." The way Moromillas stated this is suggesting the person who told him he has to live there first, wasn't suggesting that he rented to get a feeling for the island, but that they have to be a resident of the island before building there? I do agree though, some of the advice is sensible, like the 3x3 or bigger rooms, the rest, mostly an overkill. Yeah, I've already bought a block of land there and have been constantly reading from yourhome.gov.au and drafting a ton of ridiculously novice plans and documents to give to an actual designer that hopefully has the knowledge to not mess it up as I probably would. Re: Given strange advice. Am I being manipulated? 13Apr 03, 2020 3:55 pm Harweeeee It may be an over-reaction to assume it's mean spirited but saying a person HAS to move somewhere before building is misleading, because it isn't true. It seems like Moromillas already decided to build there? "That I have to rent on the island before I can build there. Also been told the opposite is true, that I don't have to live on the island first." The way Moromillas stated this is suggesting the person who told him he has to live there first, wasn't suggesting that he rented to get a feeling for the island, but that they have to be a resident of the island before building there? I do agree though, some of the advice is sensible, like the 3x3 or bigger rooms, the rest, mostly an overkill. You never get a truly accurate reflection of the actual discussion on an internet forum. You're only getting one side of the story. What motivation would a person have for telling something like that - when it was easily provable. Unless they owned a house for rent on the island, then they only motivation would be to cause trouble? Or is it simply a misunderstanding or over reaction? What was should or i recommend can easily become must. Like the you must live there so you can pick blinds? Really, do you envisage someone actually saying that - or did they say something along the lines of "if you've lived there a while you can a sense of the environment which can help you design, build and furnish an appropriate house". Which is particularly relevant if you're moving to an environment completely different to one you're used to. Re: Given strange advice. 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