Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 3Jan 18, 2020 10:02 am Hi , Thanks for the comment. I really like the clean finish of the hebel , we can achieve it by rendering the bricks but i would imagine thats not very cost effective solution. I am planning to have house built out of 75mm hebel panels. Most of the project builders are now starting to build with hebel Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 5Aug 05, 2020 6:37 pm we built an 80sqm granny flat with rendered Hebel panels and would not use them again..despite supposed expert construction and rendering the joints quickly showed through ...we were told by the supplier that construction cost was comparable to brick veneer but at the time we were aiming for the better insulation that we now believe can be achieved with other products...although we've also used the rendered thick foam panels and been similarly disappointed as any render looks unloved after a very short time and "next time" we plan to try reverse brick veneer with steel cladding...best of luck with your research and final choice Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 6Aug 06, 2020 12:51 am oklouise we built an 80sqm granny flat with rendered Hebel panels and would not use them again..despite supposed expert construction and rendering the joints quickly showed through ...we were told by the supplier that construction cost was comparable to brick veneer but at the time we were aiming for the better insulation that we now believe can be achieved with other products...although we've also used the rendered thick foam panels and been similarly disappointed as any render looks unloved after a very short time and "next time" we plan to try reverse brick veneer with steel cladding...best of luck with your research and final choice Thanks, very helpful What other products do you consider for insulation? I've heard it multiple times that joints show up in hebel structure. Very disappointing as I got really excited about this material. I dont like brick look, and doing brick veneer (which most builder do) doesn't suit me unless i render the hell out of it. Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 7Aug 06, 2020 12:53 am MClark As the 'builder' I cannot comment on what it is like living in the property amd the long term finish of hebel. But actually using the product and the finish you get onsite is reasonable. There would be more cost effective solutions out there but it certainly isn't the most exspensive. How and where do you plan on using it? MC Hi, what other cost effective solutions do you have in mind? Did you see problems with joints in hebel structures as we discussed above? Many thanks Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 8Aug 06, 2020 12:12 pm Almay oklouise we built an 80sqm granny flat with rendered Hebel panels and would not use them again..despite supposed expert construction and rendering the joints quickly showed through ...we were told by the supplier that construction cost was comparable to brick veneer but at the time we were aiming for the better insulation that we now believe can be achieved with other products...although we've also used the rendered thick foam panels and been similarly disappointed as any render looks unloved after a very short time and "next time" we plan to try reverse brick veneer with steel cladding...best of luck with your research and final choice Thanks, very helpful What other products do you consider for insulation? I've heard it multiple times that joints show up in hebel structure. Very disappointing as I got really excited about this material. I dont like brick look, and doing brick veneer (which most builder do) doesn't suit me unless i render the hell out of it. we've lived in rendered traditional, mid century and modern rendered) homes for many years but we dislike the need to add a painted finish and the render always looks dirty and damages easily so would never consider render for any new building but we've recently built a Colorbond steel clad holiday house with thickest possible insulation bats and plasterboard lining and have been very pleasantly surprised at how comfortable the building is in our very cold or hot climate (modest size, perfect orientation and standard double glazing helps) but if we were to build a more substantial permanent home again we would like to try reverse brick veneer with thermal break windows and galvanized steel cladding or maybe Corten steel, unpainted Scyon or real timber weatherboards as we prefer a product that needed no additional surface finish but reading about modern building techniques in Europe i think we need to improve the insulation used in Aussie homes eg the insulation for our holiday cottage was restricted to the thickness of batts that could fit inside our standard steel framed walls but if the Basix and building regs were upgraded better insulation would be more readily available and easier to use ..(and local builders weren't interested in insulating our concrete slab) but check the YourHome.gov.au website for some good unbiased information Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 9Aug 06, 2020 12:33 pm Hebel is a step up from blue-board or foam cladding. Brick still provides the best outcome and can be rendered. To achieve similar insulation properties to European construction you would need 2 skins of masonry. Outer leaf of brick and inner leaf of concrete core-filled block, brick, Hebel etc. Polystyrene insulation could be used in cavity. Windows are generally shutter style with air gap of 100-150mm (double glaze), very common in "commission" flats across Europe. Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 10Aug 06, 2020 3:05 pm Hebel Panels are only 5 cm thick and don't really provide a lot of insulation benefit when comparing to foam cladding. In Europe/China all-Hebel walls are at least 20 cm thick but for harsh climates they go all the way to 40 cm.
you probably meant 10 mm air gap between glazing? Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 11Aug 06, 2020 3:10 pm oklouise Almay oklouise we built an 80sqm granny flat with rendered Hebel panels and would not use them again..despite supposed expert construction and rendering the joints quickly showed through ...we were told by the supplier that construction cost was comparable to brick veneer but at the time we were aiming for the better insulation that we now believe can be achieved with other products...although we've also used the rendered thick foam panels and been similarly disappointed as any render looks unloved after a very short time and "next time" we plan to try reverse brick veneer with steel cladding...best of luck with your research and final choice Thanks, very helpful What other products do you consider for insulation? I've heard it multiple times that joints show up in hebel structure. Very disappointing as I got really excited about this material. I dont like brick look, and doing brick veneer (which most builder do) doesn't suit me unless i render the hell out of it. we've lived in rendered traditional, mid century and modern rendered) homes for many years but we dislike the need to add a painted finish and the render always looks dirty and damages easily so would never consider render for any new building but we've recently built a Colorbond steel clad holiday house with thickest possible insulation bats and plasterboard lining and have been very pleasantly surprised at how comfortable the building is in our very cold or hot climate (modest size, perfect orientation and standard double glazing helps) but if we were to build a more substantial permanent home again we would like to try reverse brick veneer with thermal break windows and galvanized steel cladding or maybe Corten steel, unpainted Scyon or real timber weatherboards as we prefer a product that needed no additional surface finish but reading about modern building techniques in Europe i think we need to improve the insulation used in Aussie homes eg the insulation for our holiday cottage was restricted to the thickness of batts that could fit inside our standard steel framed walls but if the Basix and building regs were upgraded better insulation would be more readily available and easier to use ..(and local builders weren't interested in insulating our concrete slab) but check the YourHome.gov.au website for some good unbiased information Steel framing would require insulation from the outside. Batts inside steel frame won't work as steel frame itself will be acting as thermal bridge and will reduce efficiency of your insulation batts up to 75% or even more. Even timber frame reduces insulation effectiveness of insulation batts in it to up to 35-40%. Steel cladding is not vapour permeable and therefore, will require full blown mechanical ventilation system in order to provide proper moisture and water vapour regulation inside steel clad house. In moderate climate zones they generally install vapour barriers on the inside and this is why together with mechanical ventilation systems it works okay for them. Also, if you use EPS for your insulation in steel clad house, it will VOC toxic HBCD fumes inside your house, so the health living in such house will be under big question, Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 13Aug 06, 2020 3:30 pm Mirrmu83 No, 100-150mm air cavity between inner and outer glazing. Have inner window and an outer window. Not sealed units in a window frame. Oh, I see. Not sure if it gets efficient this way. Magnetite is the first thing comes to mind. Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 15Aug 06, 2020 7:48 pm Mirrmu83 very efficient, i understand if you haven't seen this type of window. organise a junket when the planes are back in the sky can you send a picture/link to the manufacturer's Web site? The best windows I am aware of are placed into 70 mm or 90 mm window frames and have approximately 12-16 mm gap filled with Argon between the glass panes. They can achieve U values below 0.5. Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 17Aug 06, 2020 8:03 pm Stewie D They would I presume only be really relevant in our colder areas. For much of the temperate areas of Australia, these type of windows would be overkill. Stewie Well, yes and no. If we expect R=2.8 from walls, why we are expecting much lower than that R values from windows? U=0.5 corresponds to approximately R=2.0. Also, better windows generally provide significant noise reduction and burglar proof benefits too. Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 18Aug 08, 2020 12:25 pm You would have to look at the cost to benefit ration and i'd say for the vast majority the cost would far outweigh the benefit of reduced energy costs unless of course you are living in the alpine areas or southern Tassie. I'd like to see a comparison from Australian window manufacturers between "simple " double glazed windows compared to these "100-150mm air cavity between inner and outer glazing. Have inner window and an outer window. Not sealed units in a window frame." that Mirrmu83 above quotes. Stewie Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 19Aug 08, 2020 1:25 pm I have full hebel with our Metricon build. Looking back I don't think it was worth the extra $$ and added headaches that came with it. Re: Anyone else building with hebel ? 20Aug 08, 2020 5:20 pm Renman I have full hebel with our Metricon build. Looking back I don't think it was worth the extra $$ and added headaches that came with it. Hey Renman, thanks! what added headaches did you have with it? I also was opinion that Hebel should off being cheaper? [laybour probably eats the difference in material cost between hebel and brick I assume] Really appreciate your experience story, Cheers I was looking at different options for a fence for my build and Hebel PowerFence seemed like a good option (one of the criteria was a solid wall look). However, I don't… 0 5881 1 6602 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6174 |