Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes2
Nov 20, 2019 9:16 am
Welcome to the forum
Great time to build in perth... BTW, you can't always trust the reviews without data and proofs
New Build- Design & Consultation Stage
IMO, Sweet heart deals between Architects/designers and builders are on there way out..tho when you in possession of all data and proofs you make up your own mind before you sign the build contracts
Forewarned is forearmed
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes5
Nov 20, 2019 11:43 am
We have gone down the Building Broker path and have narrowed it down to 3 builders. But really can't split the 3 as they are all quite similar in price / around the median.
I do recommend 3 builders quotes
Having the material quants, data and costs will assist in the decision making process
LOL, IMO they will never have similar prices ( different O/Hs, Buying power, Profit margings, Shareholders,etc) but you are required to make an informed decision with no information and invest a $million?
It's such a daunting decision having to make such a big commitment on such little information. I can't imagine what it would have been like 20 years ago when there would have been no publicly available information on anything.
The internet has freed information in many ways, but you will need a trusted source
OT, What I have notice is a huge amount of Building broker's redesigns of late that's probably another topic and why is also interesting
The brokering Business model has undergone huge changes, Battlers & Punters have accepted apps for real estate, shares, car sales, Insurance, etc, and probably because salesman were the least trusted professions Nuf Said...I say bring on change
Least trusted professions are being replaced by apps
Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs
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Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes7
Nov 20, 2019 1:10 pm
We have a pretty detailed break up of each quote already, but not down to the material level.
Those that are familiar with the industry
always ask for the engineering and material breakdowns
Going into this I had no experience of the process to build, but have learnt a lot along the way (and still a lot more to go). Would probably do things differently if I had my time around again but am still happy with the journey so far.
Prepare yourself the build part hasn't started yet, should disputes arise your Broker will be nowhere to be found
The building broker is definitely sales-driven and will say anything to make you believe the dream when the reality is a bit different. I'm not surprised though.
OT, Interesting they cleaned up the car industry years ago
after the movie "Suckers" was released
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes10
Nov 20, 2019 7:25 pm
A lot of the steel and concrete are provisional sums at the moment, would you expect these figures to be refined prior to signing?
They are provisional sums or at best estimates?
There is no need for PSs if you have the engineering to start with
and builders will reprice everything from scratch once engineering and selections are finalised and check their profit margins.
The kicker is by that time you are entrenched and have committed $60k (Design fees, DA, Builders fee,etc)
and unlikely to pull out and the builder and broker knows it
..... just so you get to DA and the tender stage.
Nobody does this on $million+ Builds?
They employ Architects, Quantities surveyors and engineers to make sure all the data stacks up before they select Builders
OT bricks are down to $2/brick and every project I do now has a
Design/Engineering/data/quants component hth
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes12
Nov 21, 2019 8:52 am
Seriously you need to have those amounts checked ( more importantly you should have the means of checking them with apps) and I wouldn't be taking advice from a salesman/draftsman on the engineering without more information,data/proofs, certified plans,etc
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes13
Nov 22, 2019 2:44 am
We actually got 9 quotes, and have narrowed it down to 3. There was a 30% variance from the cheapest to the most expensive. It was the 3 that were similar (within 5% of each other). We have a pretty detailed break up of each quote already, but not down to the material level.
Going into this I had no experience of the process to build, but have learnt a lot along the way (and still a lot more to go). Would probably do things differently if I had my time around again but am still happy with the journey so far. The building broker is definitely sales-driven and will say anything to make you believe the dream when the reality is a bit different. I'm not surprised though.
Would you recommend going through a building broker ? What experience have you had this far.with actually dealing with them (setting aside the issues with selectibg a builder)?
Did the broker have an in-house designer, or did you bring designs to the broker?
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes15
Nov 22, 2019 8:28 am
Their fee of 4% + 1% for working drawings. I think is considerable, but the theory is you would make those savings on the tender. In my specific case, I'm not sure if that is the case, but I guess I'll never know. Having them there to giving objective advice on the build has given me relative peace of mind that I'm not being completely ripped off.
In hindsight it would have been better to pay the reverse 1% +4% for working drawings
Working drawings and engineering are much more important on site than coloured (elevations) renderings/images without data which stands to reason
Instead they front loaded payment making it less likely for battlers and punters to pull out
At the moment, e-mails are answered quickly and phone calls are responded to promptly, but I know as soon as I sign that building contract, even though they said they'll be there to assist with issues, I know it will be a different story.
Then I suggest your broker arrange for the complete engineering, bring forward the final pricing, before you select/sign the builder/contract.
The double whammy is when clients cop the final price increase & worse is when they leave something out ,etc, during the build in which case you'll need an independent engineer to check the Cds, structure, Quants , site inspections & if need be an expert court witness.
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes16
Nov 22, 2019 8:38 am
Is it possible to create a whole new residential design from initial concepts and visual renders to detailed building plans, products, brands and their precise quantities in a digital BIM model that the customers can own IP copyright to and the builder can then use to accurately cost the build and modify with the customer as necessary? Or am I naive and this is already the standard practice.?
Re: Considering New Build with Trendsetter Homes17
Nov 22, 2019 9:14 am
BIM has already progressed to the next level ie dynamic shared data on engineering projects
OT Subconsciously engineers trust other engineers
I tell my building clients not to share all the/their data and simulations with home builders
Basically you have the edge..why give that up? Do Builders give clients material, cost, profit breakdowns..?
LOL, the boot is on the other foot to speak
Choose your designer/engineer very carefully always ask for data and proof with the model
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May 21, 2020 3:50 am
I am considering building a new two storey home with Trendsetter Homes.
From what I have read online, Trendsetter Homes seem good. They have good reviews and testimonials. Although I know these are easy to fake, most home builders probably do. A friend of mine chose Trendsetter Homes as their home builder. They recommended, but I'm not sure if it is within my price range.
Trendsetter appears to be transparent when it comes to costs. Most Perth home builders say similar things though. I visited a Trendsetter Display Home and have my heart set on them. Any help would be much appreciated.
Re: Post Removed19
May 21, 2020 9:52 am
Welcome to the forum
I suggest you start your own build thread and ask for assistance.
OT, removed posts, subconsciously sends out negative connotations.
MMMate, when you want to price steel/fabrication for you house build Here
What does Steel Cost?
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