Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 2Oct 31, 2019 9:07 am Personally, I don't think you should have allowed the PCI appointment to go ahead without you. We took 4.5 hours at our PCI a few weeks ago, and while there was nothing major to be done, we still picked up on many, many small issues that we were not happy with and are currently being rectified. I think the builder is probably right - PCI only gets done once. Do you have a 3 month period after handover where you can identify any issues for your builder to fix? You may have to take advantage of this if you find issues once you get your keys. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 3Oct 31, 2019 12:49 pm We never agreed to have the PCI, and only requested a completion stage inspection with BI. I don't know if they are the same. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 4Oct 31, 2019 12:59 pm brightstarshine We never agreed to have the PCI, and only requested a completion stage inspection with BI. I don't know if they are the same. I think they are different. In this case, I would be strongly arguing that as the PCI was arranged for when you were away, that they need to arrange another for you to attend. The PCI is a meeting between the builder and owner to agree on any defects to be completed prior to handover. You then sign off on those fixes at handover. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 5Oct 31, 2019 3:21 pm PCI is between you and the builder, if you weren't there, it didn't happen Our Bayside KDR Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78298 Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 6Oct 31, 2019 9:04 pm brightstarshine Hello all, My builder is refused to schedule a PCI date after we have got the building inspection (BI) done through the professional firm for the completion stage, BI was nominated by me and paid by me. I am told that PCI is done only once and not twice. Is this true? Anything to worry about here? Not many issues were reported from the BI, just a few minor ones which has already been fixed. I never got to do the PCI since I was traveling. However, I am afraid and a bit confused and I should be asking for PCI done as a homeowner as well, or I am just being paranoid about the situation. From what I understand the BI only covers the finishing, and adherence towards QBCC standards and tolerances, while the BI did not verify the items listed in the contract/specs/color selection. Should I still ask for PCI or can I directly go for the handover? Since the builder says PCI is done only once, does this mean that BI has he right to sign-off the PCI sign-off sheet, without my authorization? I appreciate any advice. Cheers Hi Brightstarshine, Your builder really shouldn't be refusing a PCI. In most cases, there should be a PCI done a week before handover either with yourself or with a BI that you have engaged then at your handover you can inspect to make sure all the items are fixed. We try to tell our clients that it's not very fair on the builder if you do your own PCI then ask for another inspection a week later with a BI. Most builders have a maintenance period in which they will come back in 6 or 12 months to look at the building. one piece of advice we tell everyone is email EVERYTHING so that you can have a leg to stand on. If you want to chat feel free to give us a call! Regards, Dan. www.bespokebuildingconsultants.com.au @bespokebuildingconsultants Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 7Oct 31, 2019 9:46 pm Hello Dan, thank you so much for your reply. Firstly, I realized that BI does not check the specs/color specification/contract/variations etc at all. So if you don't get an opportunity to do this during PCI then when can you do it. Similarly, if you'll have BI to come in during each stage of the build, does that mean you are refused a PCI. If the builder has truly done a remarkable job, like others mentioned on the forum PCI (to the person who paid for the build) is something that should seldom be denied. I might be wrong about the entirety of the process, this is just a thought. Cheers Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 8Oct 31, 2019 9:52 pm Bespokebuilding one piece of advice we tell everyone is email EVERYTHING so that you can have a leg to stand on. Well said! I've burnt my fingers and realizing this a bit later, but better later than never. The elderly salesperson who signed me up, always maintained the fact that he was not familiar with using the computers and prefer meeting or calling the person. Now I realized the idea behind this, while he has two 35" monitors on his table, which he is comfortable staring into all the time. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 9Nov 01, 2019 4:48 pm brightstarshine Hello Dan, thank you so much for your reply. Firstly, I realized that BI does not check the specs/color specification/contract/variations etc at all. So if you don't get an opportunity to do this during PCI then when can you do it. Similarly, if you'll have BI to come in during each stage of the build, does that mean you are refused a PCI. If the builder has truly done a remarkable job, like others mentioned on the forum PCI (to the person who paid for the build) is something that should seldom be denied. I might be wrong about the entirety of the process, this is just a thought. Cheers Hi Brightstarshine, Yeah thats one of the down sides of some BI. In regards to specs/color specification/contract/variations etc you are in the clear you have a copy, the builder has a copy if its not built to these specs/color specification/contract/variations etc they have to come back by law to fix it. its the contract you signed! No definitely not if you had a BI at all stages they are looking for different things at each stage At PCI youre really just paying a professional set of eye to look for cosmetic defects ie paint chips, water draining from sinks, scratches on flooring etc. PCI should in our eyes be done no matter the builder's ability. I tell every one "You can buy the exact same car but sooner or later there will be a lemon driving around make sure it's not yours" Regards, Dan. www.bespokebuildingconsultants.com.au @bespokebuildingconsultants Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 10Nov 01, 2019 6:13 pm Brightstarshine did your BI sign the Builders PCI document as your nominated authorised representative? If he did the builder would likely be acting appropriately according to the contract, (if not ethically) If he did not sign then dispute the builders PCI inspection claim and demand your PCI. In addition to cosmetic items at this point you can check the walls, ceilings doors and windows are straight and smooth to building standards, check the brickwork and floors installed properly etc. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 11Nov 01, 2019 6:45 pm Norfolk @Brightstarshine did your BI sign the Builders PCI document as your nominated authorised representative? If he did the builder would likely be acting appropriately according to the contract, (if not ethically) If he did not sign then dispute the builders PCI inspection claim and demand your PCI. In addition to cosmetic items at this point you can check the walls, ceilings doors and windows are straight and smooth to building standards, check the brickwork and floors installed properly etc. I've asked the builder, they have gone all silent since they don't like answering any questions I send them on email. Honestly, I've have asked the BI only for a completion stage inspection (finish, cosmetics, scratches etc) and never authorized them to sign-off the PCI. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 12Nov 01, 2019 6:57 pm brightstarshine Norfolk @Brightstarshine did your BI sign the Builders PCI document as your nominated authorised representative? If he did the builder would likely be acting appropriately according to the contract, (if not ethically) If he did not sign then dispute the builders PCI inspection claim and demand your PCI. In addition to cosmetic items at this point you can check the walls, ceilings doors and windows are straight and smooth to building standards, check the brickwork and floors installed properly etc. I've asked the builder, they have gone all silent since they don't like answering any questions I send them on email. Honestly, I've have asked the BI only for a completion stage inspection (finish, cosmetics, scratches etc) and never authorized them to sign-off the PCI. Check the contract for exactly how to communicate with the builder in this situation. There will be an appropriate process that they cannot legally ignore. Unless the BI has your written authority to sign off the PCI on your behalf then his signature, if it's on the PCI document is not valid. Check your contract terms about PCI and delegated authority however before making this conclusion - I am not a lawyer. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 13Nov 04, 2019 8:13 am There is a procedure in your building contract to be followed. If your are on a standard building industry contract then your independent inspector is not recognised and has no effect other than to advise you. PCI is between you and your builder. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 14Nov 06, 2019 1:06 pm In another of your posts you mentioned the builder finished the build early and that the insurance has now lapsed. But if thats home warranty insurance thats good for 6 years etc. I expect that might be driving them to say the PCI has been done etc. Re: Builder refuses PCI after getting the building inspectio 15Nov 06, 2019 8:55 pm luxbuild In another of your posts you mentioned the builder finished the build early and that the insurance has now lapsed. But if thats home warranty insurance thats good for 6 years etc. I expect that might be driving them to say the PCI has been done etc. Hi luxbuild Yes, I received a notification a month prior to ETA provided earlier, how can someone say the PCI is completed without the owner ever being present during the PCI. They have also closed the PCI on the system without asking me. you need to understand the breakdown of warranties. 90 warranty is considered as minor defects rectification period where as the longer ones are more major/structural… 1 5351 How much are you ahead in payments compared to where the build is at? Have you fully drawn down the loan? 5 11933 The significant date is when receive final payment invoice Check that section of contract Bit of fluff by builders prior to that 1 15952 |