Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Oct 21, 2019 11:37 pm Hi all, we are at the early stages of choosing a builder and our perfect home design.
Or block is 15m by 43m, with potentially lake views if we build 2 storey home, After looking at few proper double storey homes we realized that it will be probably out of our budget, so we decided to go single storey to keep the price low but then we saw these loft style homes by New Generations, and we think that it could work for us. The upstairs area is relatively small, and that is all we need. The only concern we have is about quality of these homes.It is gonna be noisy, hard to cool down/warm up? Any other potential problems? If anyone had any experience with New Generations, and their Lofts please share your thoughts, Thanks in advance! https://www.newgenerationhomes.com.au/display-homes-perth/millstream Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 2Oct 22, 2019 8:26 am Hi haschen Welcome to the forum haschen It is ginna be noice, hard to cool down/worm up? ANy other potential problems? I think you have nailed a major concern with steel lofts in WA Along with the large temperature differential/changes over 24hrs, ie steel expansion and associated noises, Gyrock & Cornice cracking, maintenance repairs can be expensive, etc Lofts are a great idea, adds extra space, cheap to build, But I wouldn't make a feature out of them. OT, Take a Thermal/Infrared Camera to a steel/loft home and check the roof temperature in summer, its over 65 degC. then calculate the thermal expansion of steel frame. here Thermal Expansion Calculator my2c Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 3Oct 22, 2019 10:47 am StructuralBIMGuy Hi haschen Welcome to the forum haschen It is ginna be noice, hard to cool down/worm up? ANy other potential problems? I think you have nailed a major concern with steel lofts in WA Along with the large temperature differential/changes over 24hrs, ie steel expansion and associated noises, Gyrock & Cornice cracking, maintenance repairs can be expensive, etc Lofts are a great idea, adds extra space, cheap to build, But I wouldn't make a feature out of them. OT, Take a Thermal/Infrared Camera to a steel/loft home and check the roof temperature in summer, its over 65 degC. then calculate the thermal expansion of steel frame. here Thermal Expansion Calculator my2c Thanks for the input. I knew there was a catch, but could not understand what it was, We want to build sustainable/ energy efficient home. Sounds like loft style wont make it, Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 4Oct 22, 2019 12:04 pm I think NewGen and Summit loft homes are great. All homes nowadays are subject to energy assessments so they will insulate the roof as much as needed to make sure it performs well. I regret not adding a loft to my current home, I think it would have made a wonderful addition, and the extra views would have added value to my house. Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 5Oct 22, 2019 12:07 pm amilelka I think NewGen and Summit loft homes are great. All homes nowadays are subject to energy assessments so they will insulate the roof as much as needed to make sure it performs well. I regret not adding a loft to my current home, I think it would have made a wonderful addition, and the extra views would have added value to my house. We are trying to get the views without paying major $$$. Everything Ive read about the Summit seems to be good. Im just worried about the potential problems since this building method is relatively new, as far as I understand. Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 6Oct 22, 2019 4:32 pm NewGen loft looks nice, especially the one you linked in first post. Been there myself. They are one of the better project builders I would say. Didn't like the consultant, he was pushing me to sign with him after presenting a draft house plan. On second meeting, he got upset as I tried to verify what is included in the costs. I am impressed by their build, not that particular consultant though. Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 7Oct 22, 2019 6:53 pm If you are considering a loft in WA I would highly recommend Timber frame as there are no expansion problems Steel frames just don't suit the WA extreme summer temperatures... lol the steel expands, the gyprock doesn't, the resulting cracking progressively get worse and ceilings eventually collapse in. In regards to displays builders don't hang on to them long enough for you to notice the maintenance issues that arise. OT, Where lofts and basements become a viable option is in sort after areas within the city perimeter, R40 to R60 zoning. Where the land value is $3K-5K/m2 and its makes sense to maximise your build area, over the allowable plot ratios and height restrictions Even if you can't afford a loft initially making provisions for a future loft only costs $5K-$10K ie Slab Internal wall thickenings, Verticore structural bricks supports, Structural loft floor above....HTH Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 9Oct 24, 2019 11:19 am StructuralBIMGuy If you are considering a loft in WA I would highly recommend Timber frame as there are no expansion problems Steel frames just don't suit the WA extreme summer temperatures... lol the steel expands, the gyprock doesn't, the resulting cracking progressively get worse and ceilings eventually collapse in. In regards to displays builders don't hang on to them long enough for you to notice the maintenance issues that arise. OT, Where lofts and basements become a viable option is in sort after areas within the city perimeter, R40 to R60 zoning. Where the land value is $3K-5K/m2 and its makes sense to maximise your build area, over the allowable plot ratios and height restrictions Even if you can't afford a loft initially making provisions for a future loft only costs $5K-$10K ie Slab Internal wall thickenings, Verticore structural bricks supports, Structural loft floor above....HTH We are building in Wembley. But the main reason to consider the loft is to capture the views, other than that Im happy to have a single storey. Bigger backyard would be a benefit, but not sure that it is enough to justify extra$$$. We lived in 3 storey home before, nice idea but way too many steps. Lol We are considering building with Summit, even if we go single storey. Waiting on their preliminary pricing. StructuralBIMGuy fo you know if raking ceiling will effect energy efficiency of the house? We really like high ceiling and willing to pay for it, but Im worried about cooling/heating problems further down the track. Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 10Oct 24, 2019 11:56 am haschen We are considering building with Summit, even if we go single storey. Waiting on their preliminary pricing. Irrespective, of who you choose to build with It's always advisable to analyse their build and costs before you commit... How do you know you will be getting the best deal unless you compare. It preferable to have your own sketch, own copyright and get 3 builders to quote " tell them to sharpen their pencil and compare, play one builder off the other and forget the inflated giveaways" OT, Builders have had it really good for a long time (20 years in WA) now the Battlers and punters can call the shots, as I've said it a great time to build Base Single storey house costs are down to $600/m2, seek and you will find haschen StructuralBIMGuy fo you know if raking ceiling will effect energy efficiency of the house? We really like high ceiling and willing to pay for it, but Im worried about cooling/heating problems further down the track. Raked and ceiling features are a wonderful feature, bear in mind you will need to consider the light steel truss roof frames and their value and limitations,ie, non beams -> roof upgrade costs,etc. A good design should take in heating, cooling,natural ventilation,etc Back to the beginning start with your own design, LOL "Know how many bricks and the approx. costs to build it..." Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 11Oct 25, 2019 12:20 am StructuralBIMGuy haschen We are considering building with Summit, even if we go single storey. Waiting on their preliminary pricing. Irrespective, of who you choose to build with It's always advisable to analyse their build and costs before you commit... How do you know you will be getting the best deal unless you compare. It preferable to have your own sketch, own copyright and get 3 builders to quote " tell them to sharpen their pencil and compare, play one builder off the other and forget the inflated giveaways" OT, Builders have had it really good for a long time (20 years in WA) now the Battlers and punters can call the shots, as I've said it a great time to build Base Single storey house costs are down to $600/m2, seek and you will find haschen StructuralBIMGuy fo you know if raking ceiling will effect energy efficiency of the house? We really like high ceiling and willing to pay for it, but Im worried about cooling/heating problems further down the track. Raked and ceiling features are a wonderful feature, bear in mind you will need to consider the light steel truss roof frames and their value and limitations,ie, non beams -> roof upgrade costs,etc. A good design should take in heating, cooling,natural ventilation,etc Back to the beginning start with your own design, LOL "Know how many bricks and the approx. costs to build it..." Cheers Chris Great advise, it is much appreciated. I have my own sketch, that I'm asking different builders to use as a starting point . But I guess it maybe be better to get a full detailed plan ( I wonder how much that would cost?) and use that to get the exact deal. I will look into that after we have a survey done on the block. Any ideas on the cost per m2 for the double storey? What whould be a realistic budget for 350m2 double store with basic finishes, but good layout and great construction ( insulation, windows, high ceiling- all the things you can't change later on) Sorry for all the questions, but you seems to know much more than most of the other pp we spoke with. Thanks! Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 12Oct 25, 2019 12:20 am StructuralBIMGuy haschen We are considering building with Summit, even if we go single storey. Waiting on their preliminary pricing. Irrespective, of who you choose to build with It's always advisable to analyse their build and costs before you commit... How do you know you will be getting the best deal unless you compare. It preferable to have your own sketch, own copyright and get 3 builders to quote " tell them to sharpen their pencil and compare, play one builder off the other and forget the inflated giveaways" OT, Builders have had it really good for a long time (20 years in WA) now the Battlers and punters can call the shots, as I've said it a great time to build Base Single storey house costs are down to $600/m2, seek and you will find haschen StructuralBIMGuy fo you know if raking ceiling will effect energy efficiency of the house? We really like high ceiling and willing to pay for it, but Im worried about cooling/heating problems further down the track. Raked and ceiling features are a wonderful feature, bear in mind you will need to consider the light steel truss roof frames and their value and limitations,ie, non beams -> roof upgrade costs,etc. A good design should take in heating, cooling,natural ventilation,etc Back to the beginning start with your own design, LOL "Know how many bricks and the approx. costs to build it..." Cheers Chris Great advise, it is much appreciated. I have my own sketch, that I'm asking different builders to use as a starting point . But I guess it maybe be better to get a full detailed plan ( I wonder how much that would cost?) and use that to get the exact deal. I will look into that after we have a survey done on the block. Any ideas on the cost per m2 for the double storey? What whould be a realistic budget for 350m2 double store with basic finishes, but good layout and great construction ( insulation, windows, high ceiling- all the things you can't change later on) Sorry for all the questions, but you seems to know much more than most of the other pp we spoke with. Thanks! Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 13Oct 25, 2019 8:45 am haschen Great advise, it is much appreciated.... Sorry for all the questions, but you seems to know much more than most of the other pp we spoke with. Happy to assist if I can 👍 haschen I have my own sketch, that I'm asking different builders to use as a starting point . But I guess it maybe be better to get a full detailed plan ( I wonder how much that would cost?) and use that to get the exact deal. I will look into that after we have a survey done on the block. Please share your sketch with this community as it does help others Also if you are on a difficult block you will need a contour survey and preliminary engineering, although GIS survey data is available online to share haschen Any ideas on the cost per m2 for the double storey? What whould be a realistic budget for 350m2 double store with basic finishes, but good layout and great construction ( insulation, windows, high ceiling- all the things you can't change later on) Base $1200/m2 I suggest you start you own thread and tag in the experts and suppliers Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 14Oct 25, 2019 12:32 pm StructuralBIMGuy Irrespective, of who you choose to build with It's always advisable to analyse their build and costs before you commit... How do you know you will be getting the best deal unless you compare. It preferable to have your own sketch, own copyright and get 3 builders to quote " tell them to sharpen their pencil and compare, play one builder off the other and forget the inflated giveaways" OT, Builders have had it really good for a long time (20 years in WA) now the Battlers and punters can call the shots, as I've said it a great time to build Base Single storey house costs are down to $600/m2, seek and you will find Raked and ceiling features are a wonderful feature, bear in mind you will need to consider the light steel truss roof frames and their value and limitations,ie, non beams -> roof upgrade costs,etc. A good design should take in heating, cooling,natural ventilation,etc Back to the beginning start with your own design, LOL "Know how many bricks and the approx. costs to build it..." Cheers Chris Looking through many builders, from all the quotes, the lowest I get is around $740 per sqm. No flooring, just stonebench throughout, higher ceilings, ducted aircon and the usual sales gimmick. House quoted is around 270-280 sqm (total, including portico, alfresco and double garage). No solar panels, No downlights and etc. Perhaps I didnt look hard enough. May I know what specs for $600 per sqm? Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 15Oct 26, 2019 8:47 am kester I get is around $740 per sqm. -No flooring-, just stonebench throughout, higher ceilings, ducted aircon and the usual sales gimmick. It also depends how you analyse the build I would start with the base then proportion value to the giveaways -> bare minimum $600/m2. ie $740- $600= $140m2 ($140/m2 x 280 m2) <- That looks like the $40K giveaway builders advertise? $600 is an optimised price, that suits a particular design and demographics, of course there are those that will say You are in an expensive area you will need to pay more?....That's another story kester Perhaps I didnt look hard enough. Try looking at the elements, trades, materials, m, m2, m3, hrs..keep the rough breakdown simple OT, Ironically google shows the search images for home plans they also provide the tools for analysis. Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Loft style homes by New Generations? WA 16Oct 30, 2019 6:56 pm Hi haschen, If you have not finalised on the plans than I have started a new concept to Visualise the floor plans in real size true 1:1 Scale, called Walk the Plan, We take your existing plans and project them down on the floor so you can walk through your entire house and garden area and get the exact idea of how big everything will be in your house, Making changes to plan to suite your life style before its built. The Dulux colour consultants are awesome. If you show them the photos they should be able to figure it out for you straight away 1 1618 Hi there! 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