Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jan 02, 2017 8:57 pm Hi! We've been looking to build in Melb South east and were considering Clyde/Clyde North and Officer. Still undecided what area is better - they both are the same distance from the CBD. At some point we decided to build in Eliston but after visiting more places in Officer started looking in that direction too. What are your thoughts about Clyde vs Officer - which one is better? Commute, infrastructure, schools, recreation, etc? The budget is around $300k for land. I've been looking if similar was already discussed here but couldn't find anything. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 2Jan 03, 2017 6:57 am OBB Hi! We've been looking to build in Melb South east and were considering Clyde/Clyde North and Officer. Still undecided what area is better - they both are the same distance from the CBD. At some point we decided to build in Eliston but after visiting more places in Officer started looking in that direction too. What are your thoughts about Clyde vs Officer - which one is better? Commute, infrastructure, schools, recreation, etc? The budget is around $300k for land. I've been looking if similar was already discussed here but couldn't find anything. I'm no expert on Officer but we moved into Cranny East which is practically Clyde (Shopping on Clyde is our local Coles) about 6 months ago, I'd prefer it in terms of proximity to Cranbourne Park, which saves us from having to go to Fountain Gate most of the time. It's a nice area. Building a Porter Davis Livingstone 23 in Mayfield, Cranbourne East | Our thread 18/05/15 - Contract Signed 24/12/15 - Land Settlement 30/1/16 - Slab poured 9/06/16 - Handover Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 3Jan 03, 2017 8:38 am When we looked for the land we were the same, it was a toss up between Officer and Clyde North. In the end we selected Clyde, we love the area and its closer to everything. However land in Officer was once cheaper than Clyde North but it wasn't enough to convince us to buy there. Best of luck Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 4Jan 03, 2017 9:03 pm Emmz70 When we looked for the land we were the same, it was a toss up between Officer and Clyde North. In the end we selected Clyde, we love the area and its closer to everything. However land in Officer was once cheaper than Clyde North but it wasn't enough to convince us to buy there. Best of luck Thank you! If you don't mind me asking - why did you decide to buy in Clyde? What was the deal breaker? Officer and Clyde seem to be almost the same distance from the CBD. Thanks heaps Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 5Jan 03, 2017 9:04 pm thewoodies OBB Hi! We've been looking to build in Melb South east and were considering Clyde/Clyde North and Officer. Still undecided what area is better - they both are the same distance from the CBD. At some point we decided to build in Eliston but after visiting more places in Officer started looking in that direction too. What are your thoughts about Clyde vs Officer - which one is better? Commute, infrastructure, schools, recreation, etc? The budget is around $300k for land. I've been looking if similar was already discussed here but couldn't find anything. I'm no expert on Officer but we moved into Cranny East which is practically Clyde (Shopping on Clyde is our local Coles) about 6 months ago, I'd prefer it in terms of proximity to Cranbourne Park, which saves us from having to go to Fountain Gate most of the time. It's a nice area. Thank you! Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 6Jan 03, 2017 9:59 pm Officer on the north side of the highway by far the best location. I've been to a lot of the estates and Clyde location is okay but u will get hit by traffic. Keep in mind people aren't aware that some parts of Clyde is in a flood zone. Look for higher ground and only really one way in and one way out. I spoke to a few people in the display homes as well as builders and most of them think Officer on the north side of the highway is a better location. At least you have a couple of options with traffic example back streets of berwick and narre north and beaconsfield as well as m1 but clyde not many options to get out once u hit traffic. In terms of price growth 5-10 years look for a block that is bigger than 450m2 and not all squashed up like some estates. Minimum frontage on that budget u should be looking at 14 metres width not any smaller. Look for an estate with big block sizes because that will also determine price growth in the future. Big buyers won't be buying into estates with dog boxes on them. No offence intended.
Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 7Jan 04, 2017 3:54 am estate Officer on the north side of the highway by far the best location. I've been to a lot of the estates and Clyde location is okay but u will get hit by traffic. Keep in mind people aren't aware that some parts of Clyde is in a flood zone. Look for higher ground and only really one way in and on way out. I spoke to a few people in the display homes as well as builders and most of them think Officer on the north side of the highway is a better location. At least you have a couple of options with traffic example back streets of berwick and narre north and beaconsfield as well as m1 but clyde not many options to get out once u hit traffic. In terms of price growth 5-10 years look for a block that is bigger than 450m2 and not all squashed up like some estates. Minimum frontage on that budget u should be looking at 14metres width not any smaller. Look for an estate with big block sizes because that will also determine price growth in the future. Big buyers won't be buying into estates with dog boxes on them. No offence intended. Thank you very much! You've just confirmed what I was thinking about. I was a bit concerned by how sloppy many of the estates were in Officer but they all have very generous land lots. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 8Jan 04, 2017 7:35 am This might help a little as well as the post below relates to some estates in Officer. Just a post I made a while a go on the forum. Hey guys what do u think. My rankings of best estates in officer and pakenham in order based on frontages , block sizes and location and market demand. I just put the whole lot together to work out a ranking in my view. 'The list below are all the estates and locations I've been to and drove past and monitored on realestate based on buyer demand frontage lot size etc. The order is probably in the order i would buy. The last 4 estates on the bottom in my view in terms of price growth over the longer term won't reach the likes of timbertop, heritage springs(pakenham), arena and grandvue. No disrespect to anybody who lives in the bottom few rankings and i'm glad i even have a roof over my head but the reality is the people who developed those estates were only thinking about making money i.e. releasing as much blocks all squashed up as possible with bugger haul frontage on them and not thinking like the timbertops, grandvues, heritage springs and arenas if you know what i mean. Basically dog boxes but again no offence to anybody who bought there. I think by far timbertop is the runaway winner and will give beaconsfield and berwick a run for it's money based on price growth over the medium to long term. Soon it will also catch up to Lyndhurst which is also going through the roof. 1. timbertop by far the leader of the pack 2. grandvue 3. arena 4. heritage springs pakenham 5. arcadia 5. lakeside 6. worthington 7. potters grove north 8. savannah 9. park central 10. potters grove south of highway 11. cherington Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 9Jan 04, 2017 8:37 pm Have friends building in Timbertop, its a nice estate.. but have heard the school is no longer going in, but will still have childcare and shops.. also Officer is suppose to be getting a big new town center in the next few years, so I think it will improve quickly. Don't know much about Officer (building in Pakky myself). Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 10Jan 06, 2017 8:13 pm estate This might help a little as well as the post below relates to some estates in Officer. Just a post I made a while a go on the forum. Hey guys what do u think. My rankings of best estates in officer and pakenham in order based on frontages , block sizes and location and market demand. I just put the whole lot together to work out a ranking in my view. 'The list below are all the estates and locations I've been to and drove past and monitored on realestate based on buyer demand frontage lot size etc. The order is probably in the order i would buy. The last 4 estates on the bottom in my view in terms of price growth over the longer term won't reach the likes of timbertop, heritage springs(pakenham), arena and grandvue. No disrespect to anybody who lives in the bottom few rankings and i'm glad i even have a roof over my head but the reality is the people who developed those estates were only thinking about making money i.e. releasing as much blocks all squashed up as possible with bugger haul frontage on them and not thinking like the timbertops, grandvues, heritage springs and arenas if you know what i mean. Basically dog boxes but again no offence to anybody who bought there. I think by far timbertop is the runaway winner and will give beaconsfield and berwick a run for it's money based on price growth over the medium to long term. Soon it will also catch up to Lyndhurst which is also going through the roof. 1. timbertop by far the leader of the pack 2. grandvue 3. arena 4. heritage springs pakenham 5. arcadia 5. lakeside 6. worthington 7. potters grove north 8. savannah 9. park central 10. potters grove south of highway 11. cherington Thank you! That is a comprehensive analysis. What about Healthfield in Officer? It's a new estate on the northen side of Princess Hwy, hasn't started titling yet and not far from Timbertop. Not too sloppy as Grandvue, beautiful views and next to already building Catholic primary school, the train station is near buy but not too close to be a disturbance (not as Beaconfield roses/lavender). The only bad thing is relatively small lots. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 11Jan 06, 2017 8:14 pm aloenyx Have friends building in Timbertop, its a nice estate.. but have heard the school is no longer going in, but will still have childcare and shops.. also Officer is suppose to be getting a big new town center in the next few years, so I think it will improve quickly. Don't know much about Officer (building in Pakky myself). May I ask why did you choose Pakky? My friends built there a few years ago and loving it (after moving from Oakleigh), but can't say exactly why they love the place. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 12Jan 06, 2017 8:56 pm Pakky was an interesting choice. I knew I wanted S.E suburbs. My focus was on train station access as I work in the city. At first, I wanted to buy in Officer.. I looked at Potters Grove (south), Grand Vue, Cherrington... but all were out of my price range. The prices were just skyrocketing.. land was going up 10-20k every release, and I priced out too quick. I also nearly bought in Aspect, but the block was going to be facing the train line. My budget was 155k in 2014. Eventually bought in Ascot. Very happy with the decision now, I'm a few minutes from the train station, shopping center, main street, library, community center (pools, etc), and now the estate's new park. By the time the estate is finished there will also be a few more parks, some new shops, wetlands, creek redevelopment and a childcare. The best thing is, all of this was already there.. and the estate is an infill project, so now that it's sold out, eventually building will end (once everything is released) and prices should stay up. The blocks are small, but I have one of the larger blocks in the estate (excluding odd shaped corners) at 10.5x28m, which suited my budget perfectly. I paid 152k, but checking out Real Estate dot com, similar size blocks now going for 180k+. I haven't moved in yet, but from talking with my neighbors who have moved in, they seem pretty happy. I live in Dandenong now, so I prefer suburbia to the city, and Pakky was as close to town as I could go without leaving the metro train line It's also great in that I'm 2 minutes from both the Monash and the Princes Hwy.. so easy access. Sorry, not sure if that helped with your question!! Might be able to better once I move in. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 13Jan 07, 2017 9:40 am I've been past heathfield once. I suppose a good thing is it's still on the northside of the highway which is the better option. I can't give it a rating yet cause it's still in the very early stages. You need to look at the plan of subdivision for the various releases and look for minimum frontage on the blocks around 14 and higher and block sizes at least 400m2 as a bare minimum entry. Also look and see what's around the estate. If the majority of the estate has more smaller blocks over the bigger blocks, then personally I would avoid as this has the potential in the future to drag down the growth in prices on the bigger blocks if that makes sense. In saying that if you are just interested in buying a house and land and not to concerned about the price going up quickly then probably buy where u feel comfortable. You might want to stretch the budget if you're after the best. Timbertop is definitely worth it and whoever bought in Timbertop estate has made a very wise decision. They are definitely the number 1 estate in Officer and the number 1 estate for new land releases in the south east by a country mile in my view. If you're on a strict budget then probably buy accordingly. For me personally I would stretch it a bit an go for the better estate as I'm after rising prices and not interested in an estate that is not moving with the market. Some people are just happy to have a house and not to concerned about the price growth in the medium term. I guess each to their own. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 14Jan 07, 2017 10:42 am Personally I don't understand the appeal of Timbertop. I haven't seen the plans though.. It is in a nice spot, pretty background (though friends got hit with 30k fire rating costs).. but its in the middle of nowhere. There's no shops, schools, transport there. Yet the land is very expensive... and the blocks are on big slopes!!! So costs are very high. I must be missing something Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 15Jan 07, 2017 10:51 am I think the size thing is personal. I'm a single person building my first house on a limited budget, so I was happy with a smaller block. I also work in the city, so not going to be home often. My house is central to everything, and will be a great house for people downsizing, young couples, etc when I'm ready to move on, so I don't mind that its small. Small = less cost! Less landscaping, furniture, window coverings.. and those things add up. Plus because the land and house weren't too expensive, I put in a lot of upgrades inside that I will get to enjoy My friends build in Timbertop, 3 bedroom house on 600sqm = $800k + versus my 3 bedroom house in Ascot on 300sqm = $350k (includes landscaping, blinds, furniture). Each to their own, but I'm glad to have the smaller house in this case. When I have a family, I may want to get something bigger (although, my parents raised two kids in a smaller house then mine with no issues XD). That being said, the later releases in my estate WERE tiny... 8.5mx28m would have been the smallest they would do I would have thought.. but they went even smaller. 10.5m was the minimum for a house I liked.. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 16Jan 07, 2017 1:37 pm We also looked at Clyde and surrounding areas but eventually decided on Officer, our block at the time was cheaper than any of the alternatives and so glad we did! We built a ranch style home on a corner block so it looks really open, so our house frontage is on the 31m length of the block and once the city centre is built in Officer and estates are completed, prices will soar here! There are also more travel routes you can take to get here compared to Clyde, i travel from work from Dandenong along princes hwy via Beaconsfield, about a 25 min run usually. We are loving living here, Pakky would have been a lot further for us to travel each day. We are in Arcadia estate and cant wait for it all to be finished, they are starting work on a million dollar park this year and we have a dog park a block away and the meals are fantastic at Club Officer which is in the estate. Schools are in the estate also including a special school. We built a 22 sq home which is plenty big enough for us and easy to keep clean. Build thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=81011 Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 17Jan 09, 2017 3:17 pm Thank you for sharing your opinions. It's been tough but we ended up getting a corner 600m2 block at The Rise - a new estate that is surrounded by Timbertop. Very happy about this find. We pretty much got big Timbertop located lot but not with the Timbertop price tag. Before making a decision we spoke with (or rather questioned:) many estate managers (and builders), compared prices vs lot size vs site and building costs (all of estates on the northern side of the Hwy are sloppy and a bit more expensive than across the road, the current release of Timbertop has only a few lots that are under 2 m incline) vs infrastructure and price of the land. I was very keen on Heathfield but their lot sizes are small (only a couple were 424-448m2) - still they are getting sold very quickly. Timbertop is great but the land is a bit too expensive and with added site costs it'll easily go over 450-480k for the identical lot. The Rise is located on a former flower farm land with some lots being on a the dam fill - which means extra costs in addition to the building cost related with the incline of the land. The estate is on the border of Beaconfield and Officer. Residents will be using Timbertop infrastructure. It looks like in a few years The Rise, Heritage Rise (another Timbertop neighbor), Timbertop, Heathfield and the estate below Heathfield (can't remember the name - the one that is just on Princes Hwy with small size lots) will blend into one big community. Planned roads and existing infrastructure already look very promising. Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 19Jan 09, 2017 6:17 pm 600m2 that's a very good size. Also a plus is a corner block In today's market that's considered a big block. Northside of the highway tick and you'll benefit from timbertop and beaconsfield prices as well. Good choice you're definitely on a winner longer term. Hopefully your site costs will be down as well. I think as a guide site costs are roughly 10k for every 1 metre of fall on the block. The good thing about Officer as a suburb now is for the potential investor and owner occupied is it's ranked no.2 and no.3 for best annual growth in Victoria in regards to 3 and 4 bedders according to realestate.com.au . If you go to realestate.com.au and click on invest then scroll down and click on Victoria you'll notice the top 10 rankings for the various suburbs there. I reckon as a minimum just to have the postcode is a plus. If the budget allows you then pick the best estate in Officer for price growth but either way anybody with the Officer postcode are winners. In my opinion for people who were on a tight budget and eventually picked Officer over the Pakenham postcode they will definitely see the gap widen as far as the median price goes for 3 and 4 bedders. For some the price might be irrelevant in the medium to long term but for most it's definitely something to get excited about if you bought in Officer. I know it's early stages and still a lot of land to be sold in many estates but for Officer give this suburb some time and you'll see prices go through the roof. At the end of the day you buy what you can afford so the examples below for land sizes might not mean anything to a lot of people on the forum but the reality is the size of land will ultimately determine the growth in value of your property but obviously there's a bit more to it then just that; example: location, fully landscaped front and back, the condition of the house inside based on upgrades and $$$ spent the size of the house etc etc etc and much more but keep in mind some suburbs I've seen in Melbourne are quite a distance from schools and shops yet people are willing to pay more based on the reputation so I guess there's heaps and heaps of factors that will determine price moving forward. Okay so here's the list below in my view for land owners who bought in the new estates in south east of Melbourne. Size will be different for inner suburbs as back in the day they were larger blocks released but below is a guide for land released in today's market. Size lots below = tiny, small, medium, big and huge based on today's New land releases in the South East of Melbourne. Again this is just a guide based on me speaking to a lot of people in the industry. So far the smallest block I've seen is 180m2 in Potters grove Northside. Maybe someone has seen smaller but once they start getting under 200m2 then this is just a rip off to a potential land buyer but no disrespect to the buyer, but the property development company should be blamed for being to greedy in my view. anything up to 200m2 = tiny 230m2 -320m2 = small 350m2 -480m2 = medium 510m2 - 700m2 = big 850m2+ = huge Re: Clyde/Clyde North vs Officer 20Jan 09, 2017 6:20 pm Congrats on deciding on your lot! Is your driveway going to be on the long side or the short side of the block? Build thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=81011 Hi i am looking to buy an investment near by North Rothbury. 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