NBN and HFC from across the street

Special_K · Jan 24, 2018 9:38 am

HI all, question for you KDR guys.

If you have NBN HFC coming off a street pole across the road, is there a way to get that dropped and trenched to your house? I'd prefer not to have an overhead cable connect to my house if possible... And No, I do not have a telco pit on my side of the street.

Also, is anyone opting for the NBN option pack through M @ $1k? I'd prefer not to pay this but according to M, NBNCO will install the NBN PCD under the meter box instead of in my garage.

rum_home · Jan 24, 2018 10:21 am

I'm not sure if I paid extra or something I didn't need too, but I have Metricon paid for the installation of NBN and that will be in my garage. I'm not sure how it can be installed in an exposed area like that, as the UPS that is involved will have to be weather proofed.

Special_K · Jan 24, 2018 10:40 am

rum_home

I'm not sure if I paid extra or something I didn't need too, but I have Metricon paid for the installation of NBN and that will be in my garage. I'm not sure how it can be installed in an exposed area like that, as the UPS that is involved will have to be weather proofed.

Thanks rum_home.

The Premise Connection Device (PCD) is external and then it gets connected internally to your Network Termination Device (NTD). I guess the issue is, can the PCD be connected directly to your garage? My meter is on the opposite side of my garage, so M are charging me to run cabling.

Is your NBN cable HFC? If so, how is that connected to your house (underground of overhead cable?)

barry157 · Jan 25, 2018 11:31 am

Hi. I am doing a KDR in the Eastern Burbs of Melbourne but not with M. I had exactly the same queries as you a few months ago, as I didn't want overhead lines to my new place and wasn't wanting a copper land line. Unfortunately the NBN website doesn't provide much guidance. From what I understand reading whirlpool, if it's an established home, the NBN subbies will run the HFC exactly the same as how the current copper line is provided to the house, e.g. overhead will remain overhead, and underground will remain underground. I have an established house separate to my KDR project in the same suburb, and the NBN HFC was installed 2 weeks ago underground to my house which is the same as the copper line.

The HFC network and copper lines are currently run overhead on my KDR site's street, with a few pits on the other side of the road (same as you). My KDR house is about 4 weeks from completion, and during the rough-in, the builder's sparky ran a draw wire through PVC pipe in readiness for the HFC to be pulled through the house. The builder will get a different contractor to run the NBN approved conduit 300mm underground from the footpath to the proposed entry point at the house.

I think the key is to make it as attractive (and easy) as possible to support an underground install. The NBN contractors won't care and will go for the easiest route (which is typically an aerial install, so they don't have to dig). So just make sure you get the NBN approved conduit underground towards the nearest pit and ensure the internal draw wire is installed through the house. I am going to resist as strongly as possible if the NBN try to do an aerial install.

Ezza78 · Jan 25, 2018 7:33 pm

Special_K

HI all, question for you KDR guys.

If you have NBN HFC coming off a street pole across the road, is there a way to get that dropped and trenched to your house? I'd prefer not to have an overhead cable connect to my house if possible... And No, I do not have a telco pit on my side of the street.

Also, is anyone opting for the NBN option pack through M @ $1k? I'd prefer not to pay this but according to M, NBNCO will install the NBN PCD under the meter box instead of in my garage.

Have you chosen your builder Special K?

TheBigHouse · Jan 26, 2018 11:06 am

barry157

Hi. I am doing a KDR in the Eastern Burbs of Melbourne but not with M. I had exactly the same queries as you a few months ago, as I didn't want overhead lines to my new place and wasn't wanting a copper land line. Unfortunately the NBN website doesn't provide much guidance. From what I understand reading whirlpool, if it's an established home, the NBN subbies will run the HFC exactly the same as how the current copper line is provided to the house, e.g. overhead will remain overhead, and underground will remain underground. I have an established house separate to my KDR project in the same suburb, and the NBN HFC was installed 2 weeks ago underground to my house which is the same as the copper line.

The HFC network and copper lines are currently run overhead on my KDR site's street, with a few pits on the other side of the road (same as you). My KDR house is about 4 weeks from completion, and during the rough-in, the builder's sparky ran a draw wire through PVC pipe in readiness for the HFC to be pulled through the house. The builder will get a different contractor to run the NBN approved conduit 300mm underground from the footpath to the proposed entry point at the house.

I think the key is to make it as attractive (and easy) as possible to support an underground install. The NBN contractors won't care and will go for the easiest route (which is typically an aerial install, so they don't have to dig). So just make sure you get the NBN approved conduit underground towards the nearest pit and ensure the internal draw wire is installed through the house. I am going to resist as strongly as possible if the NBN try to do an aerial install.

If you want it in the ground you have to call them and arrange. Don't wait till they show up at your door.

Special_K · Jan 30, 2018 4:14 pm

barry157

Hi. I am doing a KDR in the Eastern Burbs of Melbourne but not with M. I had exactly the same queries as you a few months ago, as I didn't want overhead lines to my new place and wasn't wanting a copper land line. Unfortunately the NBN website doesn't provide much guidance. From what I understand reading whirlpool, if it's an established home, the NBN subbies will run the HFC exactly the same as how the current copper line is provided to the house, e.g. overhead will remain overhead, and underground will remain underground. I have an established house separate to my KDR project in the same suburb, and the NBN HFC was installed 2 weeks ago underground to my house which is the same as the copper line.

The HFC network and copper lines are currently run overhead on my KDR site's street, with a few pits on the other side of the road (same as you). My KDR house is about 4 weeks from completion, and during the rough-in, the builder's sparky ran a draw wire through PVC pipe in readiness for the HFC to be pulled through the house. The builder will get a different contractor to run the NBN approved conduit 300mm underground from the footpath to the proposed entry point at the house.

I think the key is to make it as attractive (and easy) as possible to support an underground install. The NBN contractors won't care and will go for the easiest route (which is typically an aerial install, so they don't have to dig). So just make sure you get the NBN approved conduit underground towards the nearest pit and ensure the internal draw wire is installed through the house. I am going to resist as strongly as possible if the NBN try to do an aerial install.

Great reply barry157.

I've had some other people tell me their builders were nice enough to run the nbn conduit via the same trench the LV cable from the electrical pit runs in on.

I guess if they can run the electricity underground, why can't they do the same for comms !

barry157 · Jan 30, 2018 5:15 pm

Special_K

barry157

Hi. I am doing a KDR in the Eastern Burbs of Melbourne but not with M. I had exactly the same queries as you a few months ago, as I didn't want overhead lines to my new place and wasn't wanting a copper land line. Unfortunately the NBN website doesn't provide much guidance. From what I understand reading whirlpool, if it's an established home, the NBN subbies will run the HFC exactly the same as how the current copper line is provided to the house, e.g. overhead will remain overhead, and underground will remain underground. I have an established house separate to my KDR project in the same suburb, and the NBN HFC was installed 2 weeks ago underground to my house which is the same as the copper line.

The HFC network and copper lines are currently run overhead on my KDR site's street, with a few pits on the other side of the road (same as you). My KDR house is about 4 weeks from completion, and during the rough-in, the builder's sparky ran a draw wire through PVC pipe in readiness for the HFC to be pulled through the house. The builder will get a different contractor to run the NBN approved conduit 300mm underground from the footpath to the proposed entry point at the house.

I think the key is to make it as attractive (and easy) as possible to support an underground install. The NBN contractors won't care and will go for the easiest route (which is typically an aerial install, so they don't have to dig). So just make sure you get the NBN approved conduit underground towards the nearest pit and ensure the internal draw wire is installed through the house. I am going to resist as strongly as possible if the NBN try to do an aerial install.

Great reply barry157.

I've had some other people tell me their builders were nice enough to run the nbn conduit via the same trench the LV cable from the electrical pit runs in on.

I guess if they can run the electricity underground, why can't they do the same for comms !

Correct. I don't think the issue is the builders, as most now will install a conduit in readiness for the HFC cable. Worst case scenario, you could ask your landscaper to run the conduit if your builder somehow didn't do it. Just ensure that it's "P20" Telstra/NBN approved conduit. There are some guidelines published by NBN Co on what their conduit requirements are for HFC.

My concern is more around the NBN contractors not wanting to install underground. I'm not yet ready to install, so can't tell you how it will go.

Renman · Feb 04, 2018 12:41 pm

I was told that they have ran a conduit from the pit to the side of the garage. So all Telstra has to do is pull up the cable using the draw string

Special_K · Sep 12, 2018 4:47 pm

barry157

Special_K

barry157

Hi. I am doing a KDR in the Eastern Burbs of Melbourne but not with M. I had exactly the same queries as you a few months ago, as I didn't want overhead lines to my new place and wasn't wanting a copper land line. Unfortunately the NBN website doesn't provide much guidance. From what I understand reading whirlpool, if it's an established home, the NBN subbies will run the HFC exactly the same as how the current copper line is provided to the house, e.g. overhead will remain overhead, and underground will remain underground. I have an established house separate to my KDR project in the same suburb, and the NBN HFC was installed 2 weeks ago underground to my house which is the same as the copper line.

The HFC network and copper lines are currently run overhead on my KDR site's street, with a few pits on the other side of the road (same as you). My KDR house is about 4 weeks from completion, and during the rough-in, the builder's sparky ran a draw wire through PVC pipe in readiness for the HFC to be pulled through the house. The builder will get a different contractor to run the NBN approved conduit 300mm underground from the footpath to the proposed entry point at the house.

I think the key is to make it as attractive (and easy) as possible to support an underground install. The NBN contractors won't care and will go for the easiest route (which is typically an aerial install, so they don't have to dig). So just make sure you get the NBN approved conduit underground towards the nearest pit and ensure the internal draw wire is installed through the house. I am going to resist as strongly as possible if the NBN try to do an aerial install.

Great reply barry157.

I've had some other people tell me their builders were nice enough to run the nbn conduit via the same trench the LV cable from the electrical pit runs in on.

I guess if they can run the electricity underground, why can't they do the same for comms !

Correct. I don't think the issue is the builders, as most now will install a conduit in readiness for the HFC cable. Worst case scenario, you could ask your landscaper to run the conduit if your builder somehow didn't do it. Just ensure that it's "P20" Telstra/NBN approved conduit. There are some guidelines published by NBN Co on what their conduit requirements are for HFC.

My concern is more around the NBN contractors not wanting to install underground. I'm not yet ready to install, so can't tell you how it will go.

HI Barry157,

Just curious to know how you got on with NBN underground?

I'm hearing whispers that telstra will have to dig a telco pit if you require underground install...

barry157 · Sep 12, 2018 5:04 pm

Hey there, still no progress on the NBN front for me. My KDR is in the Manningham area, and our street is only ready for HFC next month according to the NBN website. My build has finished, and the electrician ran the P20 conduit to the footpath in preparation. Fingers crossed and I'll report back in Nov. I am hanging out for NBN as we've been dealing with rubbish 4g wireless from Vivid (Optus) which is pretty slow at night time.

How have you gotten on?

Special_K · Sep 12, 2018 5:21 pm

barry157

Hey there, still no progress on the NBN front for me. My KDR is in the Manningham area, and our street is only ready for HFC next month according to the NBN website. My build has finished, and the electrician ran the P20 conduit to the footpath in preparation. Fingers crossed and I'll report back in Nov. I am hanging out for NBN as we've been dealing with rubbish 4g wireless from Vivid (Optus) which is pretty slow at night time.

How have you gotten on?

Nearly at lockup but weary of lead times with NBN etc so trying to be ahead of the game.
Did you have to fill in any forms for pits etc?

Special_K · Jul 03, 2019 4:26 pm

Just picking up on this again but I have successfully coaxed NBN to get me underground cabling.

I was initially knocked back but I had to convince Telstra/NBN on multiple fronts that going overhead was not going to happen.

The cable now runs overhead to the nearest power pole where the coax runs into a new telco pit. From there it gets trunked to the leadin at the front of my house. NBN normally charge around 3.5k for a new pit so I feel very fortunate to get this for free.