Browse Forums Building A New House Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 41Jul 10, 2009 7:04 pm I don't really want to actually write this!! Site costs are enormous. Site Classification: S Final Footing Design: Raft Slab House Size: 35sq Location: Albury Wall Construction: Brick Cut and Fill Requirements: 3.5m at deepest point Retaining Wall Requirements: 1). 26m x 3.5 (at highest point) 2). 15m x 1.6m 3). 15m x 2m Drainage Requirements: Heaps!! Special Requirements: Cost: Approx $73,000 - HEAPS!! JL Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 42Jul 10, 2009 8:46 pm Site Classification: H-D class site Final Footing Design: Raft 100mm thick, SL72 placed 20cm from top face, just says beam 1, beam 2 - no mention of piers so not sure House Size: 338 sq/m inc. Double Garage, 53sqm Alfresco UMR Location: Adelaide - Munno Para West Wall Construction: Single Storey, Tiled, brick veneer, 2.7 ceiling height, 2.4 eave height Cut and Fill Requirements: Nil - Flat, level ground Retaining Wall Requirements: Nil Drainage Requirements: Flexible connections, usual stormwater gravity fed, Special Requirements: Cost: $15,200 - Without soil removal/stormwater install... Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 43Jul 23, 2009 2:27 pm To all who has had experience, is this estimated site cost reasonable? Site Classification: HP class site Final Footing Design: Waffle slab House Size: 30 sq. including garage and decks Location: Inner city Brisbane Wall Construction: Double storey, split level combination brick veneer, render and linea panels, colourbond roof Cut and Fill Requirements: Yes - there is a 4 m slope from back to front Retaining Wall Requirements: Yes Drainage Requirements: ? Special Requirements: ? Cost: $40,700 covers site costs, engineering, retaining; for this amount we will end up with a flat back yard Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 44Aug 20, 2009 11:29 am Our sales rep did a fair job at estimating our site costs.. was advised that it would be 25K on the cheap side up to 35K. (We wanted to build a raised floor so had to go either stumps or pier and beam) Site Classification: P class due to demolitions and trees on block (nominally M class otherwise) Final Footing Design: Strip footing with Pier and Beam floor system House Size: 41 sq. including garage Location: NE Melbourne Wall Construction: Double storey, brick veneer, with cemintel to top floor, tiled roof Cut and Fill Requirements: Yes - around 700mm cut and 200mm fill, rear to be built up by raised floor system Retaining Wall Requirements: Yes (limited down one side) Drainage Requirements: Yes, drain in front of garage and a silt pit with Agi-drains Special Requirements: ? Cost: $32K (this includes retaining walls, floor batts, excavation, council asset protection, fall protection etc...) To build the same on concrete stumps is about 4K less and on a waffle slab is about 12K less. Went with Raised floor for variety of personal preference reasons. Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 45Sep 18, 2009 10:57 am Site Classification: M House Size: 28 sq. including garage Location: SE Melbourne Wall Construction: Single storey, brick veneer, tiled roof Cut and Fill Requirements: Yes - around 1metre Retaining Wall Requirements: No Drainage Requirements: Aggi drains to base of site cut connected via silt pits Special Requirements: 21 piers Cost: $11,906 (this includes fall of land up to 1100mm, soil removal, water tapping, OH&S, temporary fencing, reticulated termite protection protection, temporary driveway) Building with Dennis Family Homes - Hartley 280 Location: Settlers Run, Botanic Ridge Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 46Sep 18, 2009 11:59 am Site Classification: H House Size: 38 sq including garge and alfresco Location : Jacksons Hill, Sunbury, Vic Wall Construction: Single Storey, Brick, Colorbond Roof Cut & Fill required: Yes Retaining Walls:No Drainage Required: Aggi drains, silt pits Piering: Yes Builder: PD Excavation $3700 H Class waffle slab $12800 Services $5800 includes 3 phase power, addtional over standard allowance of underground cable, water mains, storm water and sewer due to size of block 2000 sq mts d Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 47Sep 24, 2009 2:56 pm whose your builder? they sound relatively cheap with that amount of fall. rj_louise Site Classification: M House Size: 28 sq. including garage Location: SE Melbourne Wall Construction: Single storey, brick veneer, tiled roof Cut and Fill Requirements: Yes - around 1metre Retaining Wall Requirements: No Drainage Requirements: Aggi drains to base of site cut connected via silt pits Special Requirements: 21 piers Cost: $11,906 (this includes fall of land up to 1100mm, soil removal, water tapping, OH&S, temporary fencing, reticulated termite protection protection, temporary driveway) Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 48Sep 24, 2009 3:35 pm beepbeep if you check the bottom of the post I think that rj_louise has listed her builder as Dennis homes? Yep here it is.... Building with Dennis Family Homes - Hartley 280 Location: Settlers Run, Botanic Ridge Some things are worth waiting for. Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 49Sep 25, 2009 12:08 pm Site Classification: s class slab. Final Footing Design: Raft Slab House Size: 341 sp incl patio and entertainment shelter Location: Gold coast Wall Construction: Single story brick Cut and Fill Requirements: retaining wall 24m long 1 to 2 m wide 1.5 high Retaining Wall Requirements: as above Drainage Requirements: only agi pipe along wall Special Requirements: Termite treatment Cost: $70-75000 incl retaining wall block work (10,000) We have a site classification of S the engineer report sais virtually flat, no water table encountered. The retaining wall was over rock so there was more time needed for excavation and a rock breaker but the footings were only 600 deep * 300 wide. The footings for the house were 400d and 300 wide. but they're further out so i don't think the rock breaker was needed there. The house is 310.18 m sq, theres a patio 12.17 and entertainment area 19.2. The concreter said the cost would be under our initial quotes of 42 to 43,000 dollars, now they are charging 42000 just for the footings. As our "project manager" didn't get a quote we have to query this as they want an extra 20000 or so to finish the job for the steel concrete and labour. So we asked for the receipts cause they claim there was 32 dump trucks which by my brothers calculations would cover the entire house in dirt. Also they ordered way too much steel and it's littered all around the block, this is after we told them to stop and give us a quote to finish the job. So we have all the steel in which we didn't authorize, and he's saying he cant give any dockets for the steel as the he supposedly bought it in cash and he sais they went broke so he can't get a receipt. So they conveniently went broke a week after he bought it. We also have no idea how long the excavator was there as the project manager wasn't there to supervise, and now we have to lengthen the retaining wall as the excavator took out so much soil that the next door neighbors fence is falling down. Also they haven't included the slab for the entertainment shelter, even though it's part of the plans and engineering specifications. My dad thinks we should get a quantity estimator in to get the actual cost but i don't even know what they are or whether they would be able to solve the problem. What can you do when your project manager failed to get a quote, contract or itemized list of costs before the job? We can't pay them until they give us a listing of all their costs, but some we really won't know as the project manager never supervised so we have no idea what labour costs are let alone material costs. Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 50Nov 10, 2009 8:31 am Great thread to_do! I just thought I'd bring it back Where you are coming from is where you are going to... Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 52Nov 24, 2009 8:57 pm Hi all, We are about to begin the home building journey... Very informative post... Though, I seem to be missing something. I hope my questions can help others. in the future also. Are these 'costs' for display home type builders, or for custom designs/owner builders? If for Display Builder prices, can anyone confirm if the 'cost' that members have listed here are additional to the slab costs that are the builders standard inclusion slab? For example: Standard inclusion class M: slab = part of base house price: say $200K Class of soil = H = additional slab price on top of base house price = 20K Total price = 220K I have read through the whole forum twice trying to identify how these costs are constructed. I hope I haven't missed the obvious. Thanks in advance, Alf... Built Hallmark Home in SE Queensland - modified Flair 181 - no A/C: n/e orientation - 9 foot ceilings - copius insulation - loads of windows - fresh breeze - home... Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 53Nov 24, 2009 9:01 pm Hi Alf, Yeah most of them are with project builders, so the prices put on here are on top of the allowance. Generally an M class slab and 300mm of fall in Melbourne. Not sure what the allowance is in other states. Hope this helps, Jo I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 54Nov 24, 2009 9:26 pm Hello, Mine were around 17k which is a lot. Sorry to hijack the thread but still on topic I was quoted $1800 for retaining walls to part LHS and part RHS now you can see on my blog I have a brand new slab as of yesterday! One concern is I have no retaining walls - Is this something I should be speaking to the builder about to get a refund/not pay for? Or do they put them in later? Any answer is helpful thanks Building in Mooroolbark! Building permit: 21.10.09 Site Start: 12.11.09 Slab 23.11.09 Frame completed 18.12.09 Roof completed 15.01.10 Lock up 05.03.10 Fixing : 30.04.10 Handover: 11.06.10 Blog: http://kelnryan.blogspot.com Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 55Nov 24, 2009 11:18 pm Can anyone explain why there is such a huge discrepancy between what the Melbourne folks are charged, and what they are quoting us on up here in Sydney? We looked at building with Big M for the Riva and they quoted a minimum site cost of $17k if the site was M class and 0 fall. Anything other than that would typically add at least $8-10k to the price. Hard to get any answers out of them as to what the $17k actually covers, given their base price is meant to include an M class slab. I would have thought the additional site costs would just be the scrape and utility connections. Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 56Jan 09, 2010 11:13 pm Site Classification: Class S Final Footing Design: Other - C2 (100mm ground slab) House Size: 280 m2 Location: Perth WA Wall Construction: Double brick, clay roof tiles Cut and Fill Requirements: None Retaining Wall Requirements: None Drainage Requirements: None Special Requirements: None Cost: $6,250 engineers detail, and approx. $4000 in provisional sums (concrete pump, clearing costs, digging). Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 57Jan 22, 2010 1:54 am I am still waiting for my real site costs. The PPA indicated a provisional sum of $1,850 for "Earthworks to provide approximate sand pad level, including compaction certificate (subject to engineers details and specifications, does not allow for any hard digging or rock and/or clay removal)". It's a flat (zero fall) block indicated as 'sand' on the contour survey, but this still seems far too low. Hopefully I'm not in for a horrible surprise, although my building broker (who's been in the building industry for 10 years), said that by law they can't charge me more than 10% over this provisional sum? Has anyone come across that before? I've searched everywhere and can't find a reference to anything like that. Built with Sw1tch H0mes >Build thread< House status 15/12: Gates and A/C finally installed! Sep 09 Bought block, Dec 09 Engaged builder, Jul '11 Moved in Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 59Mar 01, 2010 9:20 pm Site Classification: P class due to fill Final Footing Design: M class waffle pod slab House Size: 25sq Location: Botanic Ridge Wall Construction: Single storey, Brick Cut and Fill Requirements: Retaining Wall Requirements: Drainage Requirements: Special Requirements: 16 piers Cost: site costs : $5,670 (1005 fall), council and reg requirements $4,036 http://burbankascent2500.blogspot.com/ https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=28503 [url=http://www.TickerFactory.com/] HOUSE COMPLETED IN 119 DAYS PCI Complete Handover 24th August Re: What Were Your Site costs? - A Ready Reckoner 60Mar 01, 2010 10:18 pm Daveky Site Classification: s class slab. Final Footing Design: Raft Slab House Size: 341 sp incl patio and entertainment shelter Location: Gold coast Wall Construction: Single story brick Cut and Fill Requirements: retaining wall 24m long 1 to 2 m wide 1.5 high Retaining Wall Requirements: as above Drainage Requirements: only agi pipe along wall Special Requirements: Termite treatment Cost: $70-75000 incl retaining wall block work (10,000) We have a site classification of S the engineer report sais virtually flat, no water table encountered. The retaining wall was over rock so there was more time needed for excavation and a rock breaker but the footings were only 600 deep * 300 wide. The footings for the house were 400d and 300 wide. but they're further out so i don't think the rock breaker was needed there. The house is 310.18 m sq, theres a patio 12.17 and entertainment area 19.2. The concreter said the cost would be under our initial quotes of 42 to 43,000 dollars, now they are charging 42000 just for the footings. As our "project manager" didn't get a quote we have to query this as they want an extra 20000 or so to finish the job for the steel concrete and labour. So we asked for the receipts cause they claim there was 32 dump trucks which by my brothers calculations would cover the entire house in dirt. Also they ordered way too much steel and it's littered all around the block, this is after we told them to stop and give us a quote to finish the job. So we have all the steel in which we didn't authorize, and he's saying he cant give any dockets for the steel as the he supposedly bought it in cash and he sais they went broke so he can't get a receipt. So they conveniently went broke a week after he bought it. We also have no idea how long the excavator was there as the project manager wasn't there to supervise, and now we have to lengthen the retaining wall as the excavator took out so much soil that the next door neighbors fence is falling down. Also they haven't included the slab for the entertainment shelter, even though it's part of the plans and engineering specifications. My dad thinks we should get a quantity estimator in to get the actual cost but i don't even know what they are or whether they would be able to solve the problem. What can you do when your project manager failed to get a quote, contract or itemized list of costs before the job? We can't pay them until they give us a listing of all their costs, but some we really won't know as the project manager never supervised so we have no idea what labour costs are let alone material costs. I'm in the industry and I can't believe the outrageous site costs people are being charged for site works. Under the Queensland Building Services Authority, all site works, footings excavations and the like must be determined prior to entering a building contract. (That's why Preliminary Agreements exist) There is provision for unforeseen circumstances, but these are very unlikely and in 17years I have only ever encountered 1 situation. The QBSA will assist you if your builder/contractor cannot prove how they initially calculated the costs. The onus is on the builder/contractor to prove their calculations. If an amount on a contract is itemised as either a PC or PS item, then this amount must be reasonable-again the onus is on the builder/contractor to ensure the allocated PC/PS amount is reasonable. The QBSA can make rulings (through the Tribunal) for the excessive amounts and hold the builder/contractor liable for the "unreasonable" portion over and above. Tread carefully and please don't be bluffed!! It's all in the planning We hired Darbecca to do every stage inspection, and I strongly recommend them to anyone that asks me. They were amazing. 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