Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Oct 25, 2017 7:09 pm Hi All Hoping to get some advice on this.... Long story short the demolition company we used to knock down our place has sent us fake dockets for asbestos removal. I have confirmed with the waste disposal facility that these are fake, and they have referred the incident to the EPA already. The demolition company currently don't know that we know this. We have not yet paid the invoice they issued us for asbestos removal (obviously the $$ is wrong). It is for a pretty substantial amount of money, but its not clear how much of it was falsely added on by the demo company. we have already paid the original invoice for the removal of the home. The asbestos was found later under a slab in the yard. We did check that there was real asbestos in the slab and soil. I'm stuck in an odd spot where the demolition company are in the wrong but they have leverage over me because they have not given me the clearance certificate. That stops us from beginning to build... Not sure how to approach it. They've clearly done something 'unconventional'. Dont want to approach it and have them drive through in the middle of the night and dump waste on our lot. Dont want them to with hold the clearance certificate. Also dont want to get screwed over and get turned into a A Current Affair segment... The dump reported them to the EPA already, not sure if that means there is nothing to lose and they will now be cowboys. Should I get a lawyer? It seems pretty straightforward to get them to update the invoice with the "true" amount. However, that seems like they are basically getting let off the hook to scam others. What do you guys reckon? Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 2Oct 25, 2017 7:19 pm I ended up getting my own asbestos clearance certificate. My demolished told me at the end of the job they had obtained one and would provide to me after I paid in full. Long story short, I found asbestos all over the cleared lot so it became clear to me that I wasn't being told the truth. I had my own hygienist go out who failed the site. I provided this to the demolisher who then backtracked and said that what he told me was that he would go and get clearance after I paid. Once my hygienist passed the site I paid him to get rid of him and withheld the cost I outlaid for the clearance certificates. He screwed us over and issued a $9k variation two days into the job for 'hidden asbestos' which I believe was in an area itemised on the initial quote. But as you said- there was a risk a whole lot of asbestos would just be dumped on my land in the middle of the night. As much as you want to do the right thing by society don't make it your problem. Do what you need to do to get your build going. Ask to see a copy of the clearance certificate before you pay. After al you paid them to do a job and there's no suggestion you're not going to pay if they have done the job you entered into a contract for them to do. If you suspect that the site will fail withhold payment. And if all of their machinery is cleared from your land maybe get your own inspector. In my case he had his machinery on my land and refused to remove it until I paid. Are you in Sydney by any chance? M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 3Oct 25, 2017 11:19 pm MrsJM I ended up getting my own asbestos clearance certificate. My demolished told me at the end of the job they had obtained one and would provide to me after I paid in full. Long story short, I found asbestos all over the cleared lot so it became clear to me that I wasn't being told the truth. I had my own hygienist go out who failed the site. I provided this to the demolisher who then backtracked and said that what he told me was that he would go and get clearance after I paid. Once my hygienist passed the site I paid him to get rid of him and withheld the cost I outlaid for the clearance certificates. He screwed us over and issued a $9k variation two days into the job for 'hidden asbestos' which I believe was in an area itemised on the initial quote. But as you said- there was a risk a whole lot of asbestos would just be dumped on my land in the middle of the night. As much as you want to do the right thing by society don't make it your problem. Do what you need to do to get your build going. Ask to see a copy of the clearance certificate before you pay. After al you paid them to do a job and there's no suggestion you're not going to pay if they have done the job you entered into a contract for them to do. If you suspect that the site will fail withhold payment. And if all of their machinery is cleared from your land maybe get your own inspector. In my case he had his machinery on my land and refused to remove it until I paid. Are you in Sydney by any chance? Thank you for your advice. Their machinery is not on my land, though they did leave a big hole where they removed the asbestos laden soil, and left my fence damaged in several areas. Yes they are Sydney based. There was actually an independent Asbestos assessor during the removal. I wonder if he can issue the asbestos clearance certificate directly to me. Otherwise I assume a independent party can come and clear it themselves. I believe the site will pass, as they did dig several holes to demonstrate the soil was clean around the contaminated area. The assessor saw this as well, and can confirm. I guess my gripe is that these guys have probably ripped off dozens of people, and will continue to do so unless stopped. For them to over charge me, get caught and then just charge me the "correct" amount seems to make no sense. It's a win win for them. Either they successfully rip off a customer, or get away with just being paid the normal amount??? Not to mention they charged me the same price for asbestos soil as they did asbestos waste, even though one is half the price of the other. Their behaviour is despicable. Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 4Oct 26, 2017 5:06 pm Update from today... Asked the demo company for a the EPA's Waste Locate Consignment # and they declined to provide it. I think the fact that they wont provide the Waste Locate Consignment # is quite telling. The EPA themselves clarified that this # would clear up any confusion. Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 5Apr 29, 2022 9:39 pm asbcon Update from today... Asked the demo company for a the EPA's Waste Locate Consignment # and they declined to provide it. I think the fact that they wont provide the Waste Locate Consignment # is quite telling. The EPA themselves clarified that this # would clear up any confusion. did you end up paying them or how did it go ? Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 6Apr 30, 2022 11:22 am Most customers just look at the staged photo 'proof', accept it, and end up paying the extra $5,000-$10,000. They then thank the demolition company for 'saving' them money by 'emu picking' and bagging the 'hidden' asbestos fragments from 'under the slab', rather than paying much more to dispose of a large quantity of contaminated soil from their site. Its a common, smooth and cynical confidence trick. Make sure before signing the demo contract you understand and agree the steps to verify and manage the 'hidden' asbestos. Don't be influenced by generic comments about great communucation, ethics, honesty, transparency, trust, recommended by my builder...etc. Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 7Jun 03, 2022 9:24 am asbcon Hi All Hoping to get some advice on this.... Long story short the demolition company we used to knock down our place has sent us fake dockets for asbestos removal. I have confirmed with the waste disposal facility that these are fake, and they have referred the incident to the EPA already. The demolition company currently don't know that we know this. We have not yet paid the invoice they issued us for asbestos removal (obviously the $$ is wrong). It is for a pretty substantial amount of money, but its not clear how much of it was falsely added on by the demo company. we have already paid the original invoice for the removal of the home. The asbestos was found later under a slab in the yard. We did check that there was real asbestos in the slab and soil. I'm stuck in an odd spot where the demolition company are in the wrong but they have leverage over me because they have not given me the clearance certificate. That stops us from beginning to build... Not sure how to approach it. They've clearly done something 'unconventional'. Dont want to approach it and have them drive through in the middle of the night and dump waste on our lot. Dont want them to with hold the clearance certificate. Also dont want to get screwed over and get turned into a A Current Affair segment... The dump reported them to the EPA already, not sure if that means there is nothing to lose and they will now be cowboys. Should I get a lawyer? It seems pretty straightforward to get them to update the invoice with the "true" amount. However, that seems like they are basically getting let off the hook to scam others. What do you guys reckon? which demo company ? is that Democorp ? Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 8Jun 03, 2022 12:19 pm beetleone asbcon Hi All Hoping to get some advice on this.... Long story short the demolition company we used to knock down our place has sent us fake dockets for asbestos removal. I have confirmed with the waste disposal facility that these are fake, and they have referred the incident to the EPA already. The demolition company currently don't know that we know this. We have not yet paid the invoice they issued us for asbestos removal (obviously the $$ is wrong). It is for a pretty substantial amount of money, but its not clear how much of it was falsely added on by the demo company. we have already paid the original invoice for the removal of the home. The asbestos was found later under a slab in the yard. We did check that there was real asbestos in the slab and soil. I'm stuck in an odd spot where the demolition company are in the wrong but they have leverage over me because they have not given me the clearance certificate. That stops us from beginning to build... Not sure how to approach it. They've clearly done something 'unconventional'. Dont want to approach it and have them drive through in the middle of the night and dump waste on our lot. Dont want them to with hold the clearance certificate. Also dont want to get screwed over and get turned into a A Current Affair segment... The dump reported them to the EPA already, not sure if that means there is nothing to lose and they will now be cowboys. Should I get a lawyer? It seems pretty straightforward to get them to update the invoice with the "true" amount. However, that seems like they are basically getting let off the hook to scam others. What do you guys reckon? which demo company ? is that Democorp ? check the dates of posts and the poster activity. i wouldnt hold my breath for an answer Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 9Jul 05, 2022 7:46 pm Same with my exp last month. But due to deadline set by our builder to hand over the site or risk get price hike on 1 July (40k extra), we just closed our eyes for con (but may be true) reason : ‘asbestos found under house, under slab, etc’. With photo provided without any deep investigation, we can nego variation from 10k to 7.5k cash. My advise is same advise from my reputation builder estimation : 30k for demolish house with asbestos. If demo quote you 20k, just get prepare for 30k. Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 10Jul 05, 2022 9:45 pm beetleone asbcon Hi All Hoping to get some advice on this.... Long story short the demolition company we used to knock down our place has sent us fake dockets for asbestos removal. I have confirmed with the waste disposal facility that these are fake, and they have referred the incident to the EPA already. The demolition company currently don't know that we know this. We have not yet paid the invoice they issued us for asbestos removal (obviously the $$ is wrong). It is for a pretty substantial amount of money, but its not clear how much of it was falsely added on by the demo company. we have already paid the original invoice for the removal of the home. The asbestos was found later under a slab in the yard. We did check that there was real asbestos in the slab and soil. I'm stuck in an odd spot where the demolition company are in the wrong but they have leverage over me because they have not given me the clearance certificate. That stops us from beginning to build... Not sure how to approach it. They've clearly done something 'unconventional'. Dont want to approach it and have them drive through in the middle of the night and dump waste on our lot. Dont want them to with hold the clearance certificate. Also dont want to get screwed over and get turned into a A Current Affair segment... The dump reported them to the EPA already, not sure if that means there is nothing to lose and they will now be cowboys. Should I get a lawyer? It seems pretty straightforward to get them to update the invoice with the "true" amount. However, that seems like they are basically getting let off the hook to scam others. What do you guys reckon? which demo company ? is that Democorp ? Nah not them. I hesitate to post their name given how unscrupulous they are. Let's just say the name starts with A Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 11Jul 06, 2022 9:50 am asbcon beetleone asbcon Hi All Hoping to get some advice on this.... Long story short the demolition company we used to knock down our place has sent us fake dockets for asbestos removal. I have confirmed with the waste disposal facility that these are fake, and they have referred the incident to the EPA already. The demolition company currently don't know that we know this. We have not yet paid the invoice they issued us for asbestos removal (obviously the $$ is wrong). It is for a pretty substantial amount of money, but its not clear how much of it was falsely added on by the demo company. we have already paid the original invoice for the removal of the home. The asbestos was found later under a slab in the yard. We did check that there was real asbestos in the slab and soil. I'm stuck in an odd spot where the demolition company are in the wrong but they have leverage over me because they have not given me the clearance certificate. That stops us from beginning to build... Not sure how to approach it. They've clearly done something 'unconventional'. Dont want to approach it and have them drive through in the middle of the night and dump waste on our lot. Dont want them to with hold the clearance certificate. Also dont want to get screwed over and get turned into a A Current Affair segment... The dump reported them to the EPA already, not sure if that means there is nothing to lose and they will now be cowboys. Should I get a lawyer? It seems pretty straightforward to get them to update the invoice with the "true" amount. However, that seems like they are basically getting let off the hook to scam others. What do you guys reckon? which demo company ? is that Democorp ? Nah not them. I hesitate to post their name given how unscrupulous they are. Let's just say the name starts with A is there a Z in the name? Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 12Jul 06, 2022 10:19 am Its a smooth confidence trick. Be wary of any demolition company that spruiks their "ethics, trust, honesty, and transparency..." if they claim "hidden asbestos" and send you the photos require them to stop the works, inspect yourself - or get an expert, and if they proceed then go and personally watch and record all their extra "emu picking" or "chicken bobbing" asbestos fragment bagging work in full PPE that they will try to bill you for, saying they are 'saving you money". Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 13Jul 31, 2022 9:06 am Kippers01 Its a smooth confidence trick. Be wary of any demolition company that spruiks their "ethics, trust, honesty, and transparency..." if they claim "hidden asbestos" and send you the photos require them to stop the works, inspect yourself - or get an expert, and if they proceed then go and personally watch and record all their extra "emu picking" or "chicken bobbing" asbestos fragment bagging work in full PPE that they will try to bill you for, saying they are 'saving you money". they said to me they found some under concrete , I told them leave it and I will sort out. Then when I get it to I can see they even didn't dispose the sheets they already removed from eves and even issued us with clearance certificates. It seems this is the trick all demo guys do; asbestos they pulled from the house under whats included in the contract as known asbestos and then later recycling it as a 'unknown find' to trick customer end up paying heaps more on a tonne rate. Hopeless as the govt is also in with these scums. By the way what did it costs you guys did demo in the last 2 years ? for a brick house Re: Fake asbestos removal dockets... what should we do? 14Aug 02, 2022 5:44 am beetleone Kippers01 Its a smooth confidence trick. Be wary of any demolition company that spruiks their "ethics, trust, honesty, and transparency..." if they claim "hidden asbestos" and send you the photos require them to stop the works, inspect yourself - or get an expert, and if they proceed then go and personally watch and record all their extra "emu picking" or "chicken bobbing" asbestos fragment bagging work in full PPE that they will try to bill you for, saying they are 'saving you money". they said to me they found some under concrete , I told them leave it and I will sort out. Then when I get it to I can see they even didn't dispose the sheets they already removed from eves and even issued us with clearance certificates. It seems this is the trick all demo guys do; asbestos they pulled from the house under whats included in the contract as known asbestos and then later recycling it as a 'unknown find' to trick customer end up paying heaps more on a tonne rate. Hopeless as the govt is also in with these scums. By the way what did it costs you guys did demo in the last 2 years ? for a brick house It really depends on the size of the house but this year with high fuel prices we have been paying anywhere between $25,000-30,000. By the way, getting your own clearance certificate is super easy and not that expensive. You dont have to rely on the demolition company who subbies it out anyway. Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. What you are looking at is fibrous plaster, true gypsum, it is cast on horizontal beds with fibers included to give strength. 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