Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 641Apr 02, 2018 11:34 pm Building Wentworth 33 CDC lodged to Council : 22 June 2018 Site excavation 31 July 2018 Slab 08 Aug 2018 Frame 22 Aug 2018 Roof 10 Sep 2018 Brick 24 Sep 2018 Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 648Apr 03, 2018 10:33 am Icthys99 Hi NZ89 Wow great to finally know our street name! How did you find out?? Thanks for letting me know Ok so the PDF you sent me is the amending provisions to the CDC legislation - the "new rules" which are actually quite similar to the "old rules". However it is not the whole document. Here is the whole document: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/~/pdf/vi ... 8/572/full You are completely right in saying the eaves can go into the 0.9m setback. However, like me, the easement on the left side of your lot will pose problems. If you look at page 101 of 262 in the link above, clause 3.2(d), it says that a building cannot be erected over an easement. The definition of building is said to be in the "standard instrument" which is here in page 56: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/~/pdf/vi ... 6/155/full Building is defined as including any part of a building or structure. Since eaves form part of of a building, they would not be permitted to go into the maintenance easement. Also if you say you want to apply to council, they will be using their rules being the DCP which I referred to in my previous post, and not the complying development code (this will be applicable if you are submitting your plans to a private certifier) which is what you have been looking at. The council rules clearly state that eaves can't be within an easement. Also, all three rules (CDC, Council and Design Guidelines) require 450mm eaves. However I do not believe garage roofs are pitched and therefore they will not have eaves. I am still trying to confirm this point by speaking to builders and want to call council about this too. Therefore, you need to leave 1.35m on your left and you can potentially build your garage side right up to the zero lot line, but that side will need to be pushed in after the garage to accommodate eaves and windows etc. If you PM me your email I can send you the design guidelines. Yes Kelly is such a lovely lady indeed, I am shocked to hear she is gone!! Even though registration is so far away I have been super busy researching and seeing what the rules are, what can designs fit, and working out the game of the building world. Happy to catch up more over PM with specific details! Hi all, If you are building a single storey on zero lot land then you have to leave at least 180mm on garage side and 1.65m (900 easement+450 eaves+300 fascia + gutter) on other side. There will be no eaves on zero lot structure like garage. Also note that you can extend your zero lot construction beyond garage without windows. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 649Apr 03, 2018 10:39 am absep19 Icthys99 Hi NZ89 Wow great to finally know our street name! How did you find out?? Thanks for letting me know Ok so the PDF you sent me is the amending provisions to the CDC legislation - the "new rules" which are actually quite similar to the "old rules". However it is not the whole document. Here is the whole document: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/~/pdf/vi ... 8/572/full You are completely right in saying the eaves can go into the 0.9m setback. However, like me, the easement on the left side of your lot will pose problems. If you look at page 101 of 262 in the link above, clause 3.2(d), it says that a building cannot be erected over an easement. The definition of building is said to be in the "standard instrument" which is here in page 56: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/~/pdf/vi ... 6/155/full Building is defined as including any part of a building or structure. Since eaves form part of of a building, they would not be permitted to go into the maintenance easement. Also if you say you want to apply to council, they will be using their rules being the DCP which I referred to in my previous post, and not the complying development code (this will be applicable if you are submitting your plans to a private certifier) which is what you have been looking at. The council rules clearly state that eaves can't be within an easement. Also, all three rules (CDC, Council and Design Guidelines) require 450mm eaves. However I do not believe garage roofs are pitched and therefore they will not have eaves. I am still trying to confirm this point by speaking to builders and want to call council about this too. Therefore, you need to leave 1.35m on your left and you can potentially build your garage side right up to the zero lot line, but that side will need to be pushed in after the garage to accommodate eaves and windows etc. If you PM me your email I can send you the design guidelines. Yes Kelly is such a lovely lady indeed, I am shocked to hear she is gone!! Even though registration is so far away I have been super busy researching and seeing what the rules are, what can designs fit, and working out the game of the building world. Happy to catch up more over PM with specific details! Hi On eaves, its need to be compliant to building code of Australia. Having said that, you can have less than 450mm. I checked with council as I only have 250mm on my zero lot side. The house need atleast 900mm setback to have 450mm eaves. The other way to look at it is you eaves need to be 450mm away from boundary. If you have, lets say 700mm set back, you can only have 250mm eaves. Hope this helps. Cheers Hi Bas The 450mm requirement is stated in the New Breeze design guidelines (which has a caveat, being "unless a better architectural outcome is achieved" - whatever that means?!). The 450mm is also clearly stated in both CDC legislation and council rules, which permit them to hang into the side setbacks of 900mm. But eaves cannot hang into the maintenance and access easement - can you please confirm whether you have a side easement on your non-zero-lot-side? If council has approved your plans, it means there is indeed leniency on the length of the eaves, which is good news! Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 650Apr 03, 2018 10:46 am wentworth33 Hi NZ89, Lot 5 series is anything starting from 5000 series, example : 5007, 5008... 5221, etc Lot 5 series are on Malaya street, Allamein Street and bruce ferguson avenue (behind bardia park marked as number 6). Your land is on the new land release, thats still another 1 year to go. You still have plenty of time. In regards of Water Tank, well, its depends on you now. Water tank was part of BASIX requirement, on which it may not required now as Sydney Water already able to provide recycle water to most new development home. Some people remove the Water Tank and get some money back. You need to check it with your builder and developer. In my case, I kept the Water Tank and use the Sydney Water recycle as a backup. Why would I pay water if I already have it. Hi, To add to what you have mentioned, 5 series lots are also on Arthur Allen drive. I think there are only 5 lots though. Yes, keeping watertank is your choice, but remember there is fixed cost + usage cost on recycled water. So if you do not use at all, you still would be paying fixed cost (approx $20/month). Per kLitre is about $1.80 So I don't mind spending 30 dollar for 5000litres of water per month. In my lot, its not about water tank cost but the space is constraint., specially when it sits on side of the house. To move it to rear of house next to garage, builder would charge additional $700 for required hydraulics. I am better off the tank then. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 651Apr 03, 2018 10:49 am Icthys99 absep19 Icthys99 Hi NZ89 Wow great to finally know our street name! How did you find out?? Thanks for letting me know Ok so the PDF you sent me is the amending provisions to the CDC legislation - the "new rules" which are actually quite similar to the "old rules". However it is not the whole document. Here is the whole document: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/~/pdf/vi ... 8/572/full You are completely right in saying the eaves can go into the 0.9m setback. However, like me, the easement on the left side of your lot will pose problems. If you look at page 101 of 262 in the link above, clause 3.2(d), it says that a building cannot be erected over an easement. The definition of building is said to be in the "standard instrument" which is here in page 56: https://legislation.nsw.gov.au/~/pdf/vi ... 6/155/full Building is defined as including any part of a building or structure. Since eaves form part of of a building, they would not be permitted to go into the maintenance easement. Also if you say you want to apply to council, they will be using their rules being the DCP which I referred to in my previous post, and not the complying development code (this will be applicable if you are submitting your plans to a private certifier) which is what you have been looking at. The council rules clearly state that eaves can't be within an easement. Also, all three rules (CDC, Council and Design Guidelines) require 450mm eaves. However I do not believe garage roofs are pitched and therefore they will not have eaves. I am still trying to confirm this point by speaking to builders and want to call council about this too. Therefore, you need to leave 1.35m on your left and you can potentially build your garage side right up to the zero lot line, but that side will need to be pushed in after the garage to accommodate eaves and windows etc. If you PM me your email I can send you the design guidelines. Yes Kelly is such a lovely lady indeed, I am shocked to hear she is gone!! Even though registration is so far away I have been super busy researching and seeing what the rules are, what can designs fit, and working out the game of the building world. Happy to catch up more over PM with specific details! Hi On eaves, its need to be compliant to building code of Australia. Having said that, you can have less than 450mm. I checked with council as I only have 250mm on my zero lot side. The house need atleast 900mm setback to have 450mm eaves. The other way to look at it is you eaves need to be 450mm away from boundary. If you have, lets say 700mm set back, you can only have 250mm eaves. Hope this helps. Cheers Hi Bas The 450mm requirement is stated in the New Breeze design guidelines (which has a caveat, being "unless a better architectural outcome is achieved" - whatever that means?!). The 450mm is also clearly stated in both CDC legislation and council rules, which permit them to hang into the side setbacks of 900mm. But eaves cannot hang into the maintenance and access easement - can you please confirm whether you have a side easement on your non-zero-lot-side? If council has approved your plans, it means there is indeed leniency on the length of the eaves, which is good news! Hi, I do not have any easement on either side, but council was clear that my eaves need to 450mm away from boundary. I explained it being less that 450mm, and they were fine with it. As per new breeze guidelines, they confirmed they will go with whatever council approves. I will be lodging in May with council the overall design. Regards Bas Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 652Apr 03, 2018 1:56 pm Good News for BARDIA http://www.wollondillyadvertiser.com.au/story/5315188/exciting-new-park-set-for-bardia/ Residents in the north of Campbelltown have an exciting new play park and sporting complex to look forward to. Ingleburn Park is being developed at Bardia’s New Breeze estate, while a five-hectare sporting complex called Maxwell Creek Oval is also expected to be approved in the coming months. Another recreation space, the Northern corridor, will also be opened. New Breeze developers Dahua will fill Ingleburn Park with a host of features to entertain youngsters. The park will include a climbing wall, fireman poles, climbing net, slides, playground equipment and shelter. Steven Holmes, principal landscape architect for Place Design Group – which designed Ingleburn Park – said the new park would be an “important focal point” in the New Breeze community. “The interactive play elements located across Ingleburn Park will cater for a wide range of users and age groups,” he said. “The highly active spaces have been designed with safety in mind, allowing parents to supervise children from a number of vantage points and at the same time encourage views through to the Northern corridor.” The 20,000sqm Northern corridor will primarily be comprised of green space, with footpaths and cycleways complementing the native plants and trees. A development application for Maxwell Creek Oval is currently pending approval, but Dahua anticipates the plans will progress before the second half of the year. The oval has also been designed by Place Design Group and will feature two football fields, a synthetic cricket pitch, a change facility, referees room, public toilets, canteen, storage and first aid room. There will also be a barbecue area and children’s playground. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 653Apr 03, 2018 11:50 pm absep19 NZ89 wentworth33 Hi NZ89, Lot 5 series is anything starting from 5000 series, example : 5007, 5008... 5221, etc Lot 5 series are on Malaya street, Allamein Street and bruce ferguson avenue (behind bardia park marked as number 6). Your land is on the new land release, thats still another 1 year to go. You still have plenty of time. In regards of Water Tank, well, its depends on you now. Water tank was part of BASIX requirement, on which it may not required now as Sydney Water already able to provide recycle water to most new development home. Some people remove the Water Tank and get some money back. You need to check it with your builder and developer. In my case, I kept the Water Tank and use the Sydney Water recycle as a backup. Why would I pay water if I already have it. Hi Wentworth33, Hmm...ok. There's so many confusing stages/names! You must be getting so excited that your place is going to be registered very soon Haha yes! I'm a year away but I like to research everything thoroughly Hmmm, ok, I'll remember that when I get closer to building. Hi, Please find info on zero lots. In Small Lot Housing Areas, the zero setback may extend over 2 storeys. There is no limit on the length of single storey wall built to a zero lot boundary. However dwelling bulk must take into account impact on solar access to neighbouring properties (Section 1.6) and setbacks (Figure 30). Also on page 53 of DCP, you have a table which your builder should refer and advise accordingly. Hope this helps. Thanks absep19 Building in New Breeze, Stage 3 Parkside Bardia Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 655Apr 04, 2018 6:41 am Cooky Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but how do you know if you have an easement? Thank you! Haha all good 😂 yes I do. It's on my lot plan and I was also advised when I was signing my contract. Building in New Breeze, Stage 3 Parkside Bardia Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 656Apr 04, 2018 6:45 am Hi Cooky It will say so in your contract - ask your solicitor. Also you can see it on the contour plan for your lot. They are usually represented by dashed lines and have an "A" or "B" or some other letter next to them, which is defined at the bottom of the contour plan. You can request the contour plan from the new breeze office. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 657Apr 06, 2018 12:28 am Cooky Hi everyone, Thought I'd share some information about building a house that's more than the allowed site coverage. I just got off the phone with a member of the planning dept at Campbelltown Council and was advised that they have and do allow variations so long as other building guidelines are met and your reasons for requesting the variation is justified. So wanting to utilise your land wont suffice - its got to be something like you run a business from home or you are caring for family members etc. In my case, both my parents and in laws will be moving in with us, so I'm hoping that will help our application. It's still not guaranteed but there's a good chance. Hope this helps! Hi Cooky, I read in another post you're using a private builder. I'm considering doing this. Could I have their details? have you started yet? Building in New Breeze, Stage 3 Parkside Bardia Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 658Apr 06, 2018 3:58 am NZ89 Cooky Apologies in advance if this is a stupid question, but how do you know if you have an easement? Thank you! Haha all good 😂 yes I do. It's on my lot plan and I was also advised when I was signing my contract. Thanks! Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 659Apr 06, 2018 3:59 am Icthys99 Hi Cooky It will say so in your contract - ask your solicitor. Also you can see it on the contour plan for your lot. They are usually represented by dashed lines and have an "A" or "B" or some other letter next to them, which is defined at the bottom of the contour plan. You can request the contour plan from the new breeze office. Thanks! No easement it seems for us. Re: Building at Bardia - New Breeze 660Apr 06, 2018 11:09 pm Can any1 in Newbreeze that have started the building able to tell me whether there is huge site cost? What is your site cost till date? Like borehole, contour, etc. Thanks. Building Wentworth 33 CDC lodged to Council : 22 June 2018 Site excavation 31 July 2018 Slab 08 Aug 2018 Frame 22 Aug 2018 Roof 10 Sep 2018 Brick 24 Sep 2018 For reference, this is the Austlii reference. 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