Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 101Sep 07, 2008 6:25 pm I hope the weekend has been a bit better in the house department! Are you still going with M?
It must be frustrating that they can almost 'play god'. I think Mozzie posted some real home truths - generally they just don't care. But the thing is you still have that right to walk away... I guess that with the huge surge in building over the past few years they have been able to name their price and building time I don't know if they care that they are really playing with people's lives and futures...I guess they are just trying to make it in a cut throat market by taking all these builds and then overwhelming themselves... I would rather hear we are too busy come back in 6 months than signing and being stuffed around for 6 months anyway! Our process (so far!!!) has only been mildly stressful and that has definetly put a strain on our energy levels and also the odd disagreement between my partner and myself We signed our contracts today. Building due to commence Oct 17...(we'll see!). It will be interesting to see our stress levels during the build as opposed to prior... Goodluck, and I hope M wake up to themselves and actually let you know what is happening!!!! Its just not on Kylie handover happened 15/6/09...love living on an acre but still so much to do! Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 102Sep 09, 2008 2:27 pm ello,
well we still have not heard jack from M so buggered if we know what to think or do. thjey are obviously stalling and playing the passive agressive game. FC is due 3 Oct but we still have not even seen final prices or had our issues closed off so can not even go to PC stage yet. no word from them on whether they are going to extend FC date. Given their ineptitude that date would need to extend well into Dec to give them time for the enivitable mistakes and slow turnaround time. We are at the point now where the excitment has gone and we are just flat from the whol process. It has been one huge dissapointment and like you say these builders do not seem to care that they are destroying people's lives with this nonsense. agree they are just signing up way too many clients and can not handle the volume. Oh good luck with your build and hope not too many disagreements with you and your H. have to say we have been having a few words over this as our stress levels are pretty high. I really hate being frigged about and treated like this. Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 103Sep 09, 2008 2:40 pm Peter,
I'm not sure how things work with M3tricon up there, but we didn't get final pricing until Preliminary Contract. That's sort of the point of PC otherwise you'd just go to final contract. We got pricing from the walkthru which included at lot of TBAs and then the pricing for the TBAs came with the PC and that's where decisions can be made. To get all the final pricing before PC sort of defeats the purpose of PC because you'd then just go to contract. So they are actually following procedure as far as how it works down here. Jo I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 104Sep 09, 2008 2:46 pm Peter_OZ We are at the point now where the excitment has gone and we are just flat from the whol process. It has been one huge dissapointment and like you say these builders do not seem to care that they are destroying people's lives with this nonsense. Know exactly how you feel. We've been waiting over 2 yrs for our land to be ready for building. We were excited 2 yrs ago - now we just want it done so we can move in and get on with our lives! After 4 years - we're in! Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 106Sep 09, 2008 4:42 pm donuts Ok, just so I can follow... PC = Preliminary Contract? What's FC? PC = preliminary contract FC = final contract I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 107Sep 09, 2008 4:42 pm Final Contract? After 4 years - we're in! Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 108Sep 09, 2008 4:48 pm stonecutter1309 Final Contract? Yeah well the true contract, the new home contract.....the one they'll work from......just with M3tricon they call it PC and then they call it the final contract appointment so everyone just refers to it as FC. I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 109Sep 09, 2008 6:25 pm joles Peter, I'm not sure how things work with M3tricon up there, but we didn't get final pricing until Preliminary Contract. That's sort of the point of PC otherwise you'd just go to final contract. We got pricing from the walkthru which included at lot of TBAs and then the pricing for the TBAs came with the PC and that's where decisions can be made. To get all the final pricing before PC sort of defeats the purpose of PC because you'd then just go to contract. So they are actually following procedure as far as how it works down here. Jo by final pricing I mean for the varaitions and options requested. Many of them have errors that have to be rectified, we would not consider even going near a PC until thouse are addressed and we are satisfied to proceed but unless M provide what is required we at in no mans land. Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 110Sep 09, 2008 6:26 pm stonecutter1309 Peter_OZ We are at the point now where the excitment has gone and we are just flat from the whol process. It has been one huge dissapointment and like you say these builders do not seem to care that they are destroying people's lives with this nonsense. Know exactly how you feel. We've been waiting over 2 yrs for our land to be ready for building. We were excited 2 yrs ago - now we just want it done so we can move in and get on with our lives! that would drive me friggin well nutz!! Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 112Sep 09, 2008 6:31 pm Peter_OZ joles Peter, I'm not sure how things work with M3tricon up there, but we didn't get final pricing until Preliminary Contract. That's sort of the point of PC otherwise you'd just go to final contract. We got pricing from the walkthru which included at lot of TBAs and then the pricing for the TBAs came with the PC and that's where decisions can be made. To get all the final pricing before PC sort of defeats the purpose of PC because you'd then just go to contract. So they are actually following procedure as far as how it works down here. Jo by final pricing I mean for the varaitions and options requested. Many of them have errors that have to be rectified, we would not consider even going near a PC until thouse are addressed and we are satisfied to proceed but unless M provide what is required we at in no mans land. But these are the exact things I'm talking about....we didn't get a lot of prices until PC...that's sort of the point of PC......then you can move forward and/or negotiate from there..... I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 113Sep 09, 2008 6:31 pm At Simonds, we had a PQ (Preliminary Quote) and then FC (Final Contract). Just as another reference. Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 114Sep 09, 2008 6:42 pm joles Peter_OZ joles Peter, I'm not sure how things work with M3tricon up there, but we didn't get final pricing until Preliminary Contract. That's sort of the point of PC otherwise you'd just go to final contract. We got pricing from the walkthru which included at lot of TBAs and then the pricing for the TBAs came with the PC and that's where decisions can be made. To get all the final pricing before PC sort of defeats the purpose of PC because you'd then just go to contract. So they are actually following procedure as far as how it works down here. Jo by final pricing I mean for the varaitions and options requested. Many of them have errors that have to be rectified, we would not consider even going near a PC until thouse are addressed and we are satisfied to proceed but unless M provide what is required we at in no mans land. But these are the exact things I'm talking about....we didn't get a lot of prices until PC...that's sort of the point of PC......then you can move forward and/or negotiate from there..... sorry but that is not how a contract works, you'll excuse me as I put my Project/contracts manager hat on. We are NOT going near a PC until we know what the prices are, whay would you invest $800 in a process that may lead to you not being happy withthe prices they come back with. Once you go to PC they have you locked in. how people sign up to these things without knowing the full cost is beyond me. Would you buy a car without knowing what the total price is including your options? No you would not. Why is building ahouse any different? It is not. So when M decide to provide the pricing for the options we have requested we can then move forward. They promised this pricing 2 weeks ago and we have not heard back since. sorry not playing that game. Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 115Sep 09, 2008 6:43 pm Djelibeybi At Simonds, we had a PQ (Preliminary Quote) and then FC (Final Contract). Just as another reference. PQ = PC in this case. Our issue is that they still have not figured out the prices to put in the PC. Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 116Sep 09, 2008 6:57 pm We didn't get locked into anything .....we payed for the soil test and that is it before PC.....a soil test that we then owned the results for...a soil test that has to be done anyway.......there was no further payment until PC was accepted......I'm not understanding this.
Is the entire process different up there? Many prices were unavailable and then they were in PC.....we then had time to discuss and go thru this, decide what did and didn't work....delete what we didn't want....take it home (for up to 14 days) before progressing.... I'm just not understanding..... So you want complete pricing before PC....then they'd have PC meetings...then they go to contract......could you possibly be slowing the process down by wanting everything now rather than just waiting til PC when everything will be presented as a complete document? You've already had and payed for the soil test I'd think, so what else is there to pay before PC? At PC there's a further payment to order drawings for contract (with any changes from PC, payment only if PC is accepted) then the balance of deposit at contract.... I'm just not understanding what the further payment is for and why it can't wait until PC? And also I do know how contracts work, I've dealt with a few out of the building area....but I think I understand them quite well so you probably didn't need to put your "hat" on. I'm simply trying to understand the process that you are going through. I don't appreciate being spoken to condescendingly.....I didn't sign up until I had full pricing...so it shouldn't be "beyond you" to understand....but the pricing is presented at PC.....PC is not contract. It is the preliminary to the contract. It's pretty clear to me. It is a tender, prices are presented at tender...that is what PC is...pretty standard. Jo I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 117Sep 09, 2008 7:07 pm we simply do not have the pricing. They have agreed to provide the pricing on the options and variations to date prior to PC.
We are holding nothing up. In fact we are streamling the process by ensuring there are no mistakes at PC. Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 118Sep 09, 2008 9:47 pm Unfortunately, I have not been in this position so I can't really comment of the way M do things, (maybe fortunately ) but interesting that they don't want to give you any prices to give you an idea of what to expect.
Unfortunately that seems to be the way things are done with a volume builder, and you may want to look at going with a private builder to get the result you are after. It would be interesting to see the cost difference between the two after you were to add all the upgrades to the M house - you might find there is not much difference. Paula Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 119Sep 09, 2008 10:30 pm We've dealt with 3 builders before we finally settled with M, but we haven't experienced this.
We were fortunate enough to get quotes within reasonable time. The only time that we had quite a delay was due to major structural changes that we requested. Looks like there are lesser problems with M here in VIC. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Built the Nevada 42 Next project - landscaping! Re: Thinking of of building with M3tricon? Look elsewhere!!!! 120Sep 09, 2008 11:02 pm I'd be walking away from M and start looking for a new house/builder. Happy at Home isn't a garage level with the rest of the house a given? pretty sure they 'came around' long time ago. if you have a flat block, the garage is usually level with the rest… 1 17528 No the fireplace doesn’t work. It’s been enclosed. I’m not sure what was removed, as it was done quite some time ago - well before what I can see with photos online… 2 11589 Interested in getting either the Polytec Boston Oak or Palace Peak for kitchen cabinets. Looking at the Boston Oak ones, it appears that the colour varies significantly… 0 9185 |