Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Help Cost of Data Points & NBN in New House 5Apr 27, 2016 10:21 am bmitchel JessieQ Hi I am building a new house in Brisbane, just finished the frame. We have 5 bedrooms, 1 study and 1 home theater. I really need help with the data points and NBN installation please. I just got a Quotation from my builder for data as following. I don't know much about this, so could you please tell me how many phone & TV points I need ? why do I need the digital tv aerial mounted on roof? Is the cost reasonable ? It seems really high to me Thank you for all your help 1. Supply and install data,phones and tv points throughout house as per electrical layout from owner Each individual outlet is to be run separately to NBN cabinet All data and phone cables including outlet modules to be Cat 6 All tv cables to be RG6 quad shield High resolution digital tv aerial mounted on roof 4xphone outlets 13xCat 6 data points 10xdigital tv points Total $3247. 2. Supply and install NBN conduit from Telstra line to NBN cabinet with draw wire. Supply and install NBN cabinet in garage next to switchboard. Supply and install power point in cabinet. Supply and install 1x4 way Cat 6 phone module. 13xCat data modules 10xRG6 co axial tv modules 1x10 way tv splitter Total $2022. That is a lot of TV points. 10?!?! Are you seriously going to entertain the possibility of having 10 TVs? I'd seriously rethink this and lower to 3 or 4. We're putting in only 4 points - Home Theatre, Family Room, Rumpus Room & Main Bed. I seriously doubt I will use the one in the Main Bedroom myself. The splitter will go up to 4. Data is a different story. Despite people thinking WiFi is the solution to everything, is completely wrong. Wifi is terrible especially in the home where you have frame/walls blocking the signal etc. In my current house it is terrible and no doubt in the new house it will also be terrible. I'd put as many in that you will use and no less. I opted for 2 points per room. I put about 3 in the Home Theatre and a couple in Family etc. Also need to make allowances for phone (data) in a location you want your phone/s and also think about stuff such as IP cameras? I ended up putting in approx 24, but I also have a home office so one room I had 6 in total. In actual fact it would of been cheaper to put in one point and buy a gb switch but that just isn't as clean. They charge approx $100 per cable run which in my opinion is daylight robbery. Good luck. 10 TV points is too many. Only put them where you plan on having a TV. Wifi is the answer to save costs, even paying someone to come in and set it up is cheaper then paying $100+ per point. I have 1 access point in a 286m2 house without issue, it is ceiling mounted and looks good as well. Steel frames or internal brick walls might cause an issue though Only put data points in rooms where you plan on needing a desktop computer or other device that needs Gigabit\hard wired connections or where your wifi points will live. All other devices(laptops, new TV's etc) can run off WIFI. I recommend getting 1 or 2 Ubiquiti Unifi Wireless access points, the can form a large network and your phones\laptops can hop between them without dropping out. Even paying a local computer guy a $100 an hour to set them up would be cheaper in the long run and anyone who is half decent can set them up easily. The Wireless access points can be purchased for around $170 each so 2 of those and say 2 hours time will add up to $540 giving you WIFI coverage to your house. https://www.ubnt.com/unifi/unifi-ap/ to check them out. One thing to note, the NBN hub converts the fibre to a copper connection so your builder\IT guy\Internet provider needs to also install a router. As a recommendation I suggest SkyMesh as an NBN provider, month to month contract and very competitive in price. You will need a 12 port switch if you do get 10 data points. All the points in the house connect to a switch and the switch connects to your router which gives you internet connectivity. Re: Help Cost of Data Points & NBN in New House 6Apr 27, 2016 12:01 pm A "high resolution digital tv aerial" is simply a tv antenna with the frequency bands chosen to suit your local transmitter. The antenna doesn't affect the resolution, and "digital" is only vaguely relevant. They go on the roof because that's the easiest place to get good reception. I'd only put TV outlets in locations you expect to use them. As time goes on there's a shift away from using RF modulated signals direct from the antenna, and instead distributing video as a stream over the network. So the Cat-6 cabling is more useful for future-proofing than RG6. Similarly, "phone outlets" are not what they used to be. Now they will run cat-6 cabling with RJ45 connectors, so they are exactly the same thing as a data outlet, and just connected to a voice port instead of a router. So if you have a phone outlet in a room, you may not need as many data outlets for future-proofing, as later you can swap a phone outlet to instead work as a data outlet if the room usage changes. I'd mainly look at putting data points only in places where there's likely to be a computer or media centre device. It can be useful to have more than one per room for flexibility of where to put things, and also in case there's more than one ethernet connected device. But bear in mind that you can always add a network switch to an outlet to connect multiple devices to one outlet, so don't go overboard in provisioning lots of outlets. I'd question the need for data outlets in bedrooms. Phones and tablets are pretty much wifi only, and laptops are moving in that direction. I'd put more emphasis in finding a good wi-fi access point location(s), and cabling through to there. Then have data outlets to main media centre locations and desktop PC installations. It can be nice to have lots of cabled locations just in case, but you have to weigh up the cost involved against the likelihood of them being useful. Re: Help Cost of Data Points & NBN in New House 7Mar 11, 2017 12:47 pm bmitchel JessieQ Hi I am building a new house in Brisbane, just finished the frame. We have 5 bedrooms, 1 study and 1 home theater. I really need help with the data points and NBN installation please. I just got a Quotation from my builder for data as following. I don't know much about this, so could you please tell me how many phone & TV points I need ? why do I need the digital tv aerial mounted on roof? Is the cost reasonable ? It seems really high to me Thank you for all your help 1. Supply and install data,phones and tv points throughout house as per electrical layout from owner Each individual outlet is to be run separately to NBN cabinet All data and phone cables including outlet modules to be Cat 6 All tv cables to be RG6 quad shield High resolution digital tv aerial mounted on roof 4xphone outlets 13xCat 6 data points 10xdigital tv points Total $3247. 2. Supply and install NBN conduit from Telstra line to NBN cabinet with draw wire. Supply and install NBN cabinet in garage next to switchboard. Supply and install power point in cabinet. Supply and install 1x4 way Cat 6 phone module. 13xCat data modules 10xRG6 co axial tv modules 1x10 way tv splitter Total $2022. That is a lot of TV points. 10?!?! Are you seriously going to entertain the possibility of having 10 TVs? I'd seriously rethink this and lower to 3 or 4. We're putting in only 4 points - Home Theatre, Family Room, Rumpus Room & Main Bed. I seriously doubt I will use the one in the Main Bedroom myself. The splitter will go up to 4. Data is a different story. Despite people thinking WiFi is the solution to everything, is completely wrong. Wifi is terrible especially in the home where you have frame/walls blocking the signal etc. In my current house it is terrible and no doubt in the new house it will also be terrible. I'd put as many in that you will use and no less. I opted for 2 points per room. I put about 3 in the Home Theatre and a couple in Family etc. Also need to make allowances for phone (data) in a location you want your phone/s and also think about stuff such as IP cameras? I ended up putting in approx 24, but I also have a home office so one room I had 6 in total. In actual fact it would of been cheaper to put in one point and buy a gb switch but that just isn't as clean. They charge approx $100 per cable run which in my opinion is daylight robbery. Good luck. its true $100 per point is a robbery, Get yourself Ubiquiti Unifi AC Pro at any of the computer shops or on Ebay covers upto 6 houses in one vicinity. Re: Help Cost of Data Points & NBN in New House 8Mar 11, 2017 9:00 pm JessieQ I was told that the Wifi is 1/3 slower than the cable internet speed, so I do want the data points. Sorry to say, you were told wrong. Any modern (not $20 yum cha) wifi device is faster than any nbn connection if it's setup and located correctly. Re: Help Cost of Data Points & NBN in New House 9Mar 11, 2017 9:11 pm Berek JessieQ I was told that the Wifi is 1/3 slower than the cable internet speed, so I do want the data points. Sorry to say, you were told wrong. Any modern (not $20 yum cha) wifi device is faster than any nbn connection if it's setup and located correctly. I 2nd that Re: Help Cost of Data Points & NBN in New House 10Mar 11, 2017 9:14 pm oneJohn A "high resolution digital tv aerial" is simply a tv antenna with the frequency bands chosen to suit your local transmitter. The antenna doesn't affect the resolution, and "digital" is only vaguely relevant. They go on the roof because that's the easiest place to get good reception. I'd only put TV outlets in locations you expect to use them. As time goes on there's a shift away from using RF modulated signals direct from the antenna, and instead distributing video as a stream over the network. So the Cat-6 cabling is more useful for future-proofing than RG6. Similarly, "phone outlets" are not what they used to be. Now they will run cat-6 cabling with RJ45 connectors, so they are exactly the same thing as a data outlet, and just connected to a voice port instead of a router. So if you have a phone outlet in a room, you may not need as many data outlets for future-proofing, as later you can swap a phone outlet to instead work as a data outlet if the room usage changes. I'd mainly look at putting data points only in places where there's likely to be a computer or media centre device. It can be useful to have more than one per room for flexibility of where to put things, and also in case there's more than one ethernet connected device. But bear in mind that you can always add a network switch to an outlet to connect multiple devices to one outlet, so don't go overboard in provisioning lots of outlets. I'd question the need for data outlets in bedrooms. Phones and tablets are pretty much wifi only, and laptops are moving in that direction. I'd put more emphasis in finding a good wi-fi access point location(s), and cabling through to there. Then have data outlets to main media centre locations and desktop PC installations. It can be nice to have lots of cabled locations just in case, but you have to weigh up the cost involved against the likelihood of them being useful. Phone outlet has to be redone for data points u are mistaken that they are exactly same and swap out for future which means yes the hole in wall can be swapped but not the same outlet as u ll have to change everything including cables If you're referring to Eufy homebase, then just put a switch between a datapoint and put the homebase elsewhere near another device in your home unless you want teh… 9 13897 Scientists have used random matrix theory to demonstrate theoretically that the neutrino mass hierarchy can be explained mathematically. When a substance is fragmented… 21 20733 The price you're seeing for a high-spec 2-storey home in Perth sounds steep, but unfortunately, it's kind of the norm these… 8 8508 |