Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Jan 08, 2016 11:11 pm Does this plumbing underneath my wall hung basin look poor quality to any of you? When the plumbing was first installed it was a lot tidier but I think the shroud didn't fit. So those pipes were ripped out and now plywood has been used to put the pipes through.
Zoom in to have a closer look, shows more detail. Don't get me started on the missing tiles above the sink and the oversized mirror. And the wall being re-plastered too. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Poor quality plumbing work 2Jan 08, 2016 11:32 pm I would be telling them to either supply a shroud that fits or to fix the wall properly and replace the trap with a chrome bottle trap My build with FHBD viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78344 Re: Poor quality plumbing work 3Jan 08, 2016 11:40 pm Daz_ I would be telling them to either supply a shroud that fits or to fix the wall properly and replace the trap with a chrome bottle trap Hi Daz I asked them to replace with the bottle trap but was pretty much told to stop looking for problems and that all will be fixed by PCI. In other words, all the questionable work will be hidden. Last time I looked the shroud looks poorly attached and as though it will fall off. Is it normal practice to use plywood in plumbing? Re: Poor quality plumbing work 4Jan 09, 2016 12:16 am Not that I've seen! Its just a quick and cheap patch up. I wouldnt be too concerned with it as long as they eventually fit the correct shroud. It certainly cant be left that way if they opt for the bottle trap though!! Guess you'll find out by the time pci arrives :-p My build with FHBD viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78344 Re: Poor quality plumbing work 5Jan 13, 2016 5:37 pm Had PCI today with Hallmark Homes and apparently even though my independent building inspector said the plumbing work was very poor quality it isn't defective because the plumber certified his own work. So the plumber can do poor quality work, certify the work and Hallmark Homes is happy to hand it over. The shroud still isn't attached properly with the screws put in at an angle. Re: Poor quality plumbing work 6Jan 13, 2016 7:05 pm OllyOllyRumbah Had PCI today with Hallmark Homes and apparently even though my independent building inspector said the plumbing work was very poor quality it isn't defective because the plumber certified his own work. So the plumber can do poor quality work, certify the work and Hallmark Homes is happy to hand it over. The shroud still isn't attached properly with the screws put in at an angle. Your independent building inspector should be telling you that notwithstanding self-certification, workmanship fails skill and care test and is therefore in breach of builders warranties and defective. This leads me to believe that he doesn't know and has no idea how to help you or you would not be asking here. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Poor quality plumbing work has to stay - not happy 7Jan 13, 2016 8:14 pm OMG -who was your inspector. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Poor quality plumbing work 8Jan 13, 2016 8:38 pm building-expert OllyOllyRumbah Had PCI today with Hallmark Homes and apparently even though my independent building inspector said the plumbing work was very poor quality it isn't defective because the plumber certified his own work. So the plumber can do poor quality work, certify the work and Hallmark Homes is happy to hand it over. The shroud still isn't attached properly with the screws put in at an angle. Your independent building inspector should be telling you that notwithstanding self-certification, workmanship fails skill and care test and is therefore in breach of builders warranties and defective. This leads me to believe that he doesn't know and has no idea how to help you or you would not be asking here. Well apparently here in Qld if the plumber has checked his work and he certifies it and it can't be proven to be defective it's not a problem and I can't insist my builder fixes it. My builder has seen the work and does not care how bad it looks (I mean using plywood in plumbing to run pipes through). It doesn't leak, does what it's meant to do then therefore it isn't defective. Trust me I do not want that poor quality plumbing work in my house. The Hallmark Homes construction manager who also went through with me for the pci is happy to hand my new house over with that quality of plumbing work. I'm posting here because I am beyond fed up with my builder and how they are content to pass on poor quality work and my rights seem to be few. What plumber would see that work as acceptable? Re: Poor quality plumbing work has to stay - not happy 9Jan 13, 2016 9:52 pm I suspect what has happened is that plumber roughed in the pipes as per normal. Gets plastered. Whoever installed the wall hung basin had to install the bracket to hold the shroud but it couldn't screw the bracket onto any studs.. Therefore they screwed the ply onto the stud and then screwed the bracket onto the ply. The plumber then had to make it work. So while it is compliant from a plumbing point of view, it could have been much neater or hidden by plasterboard if installed/prepared correctly. It would annoy me, but once the shroud is covering the plumbing, you'll forget about it sooner or later. Re: Poor quality plumbing work has to stay - not happy 10Jan 13, 2016 11:11 pm The shroud still doesn't fit on properly and has to be redone again. Re: Poor quality plumbing work 11Jan 14, 2016 2:53 pm Your independent building inspector should be telling you that notwithstanding self-certification, workmanship fails skill and care test and is therefore in breach of builders warranties and defective. This leads me to believe that he doesn't know and has no idea how to help you or you would not be asking here.[/quote] Hi building expert I rang QBCC today and apparently there is a big difference between defective and poor quality work. Currently the sink does not leak so it passes but the poor quality work could become defective. I want to get QBCC involved because I am very worried the poor quality plumbing work will cause problems down the track. Also, what new home owner should have to accept such appalling quality work in a brand new home? 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