Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 2Dec 18, 2015 11:43 am We keep all our appliances in there on a bench so they can be used in there and out of the way of the kitchen, plenty of food storage space too, plus cupboards for pots and pans etc Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 3Dec 18, 2015 12:25 pm Our pantry is just a walk-in pantry without a butler or benches. It's very handy just for the storage. However, I can also see some benefit in having the separate little kitchen that is walled off from the main living area. If bedrooms are close to the living area, it could be handy if you don't want to disturb kids that are still sleeping while you have breakfast and make lunch. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 4Dec 18, 2015 12:26 pm I think in this day and age of bigger is better they are seen as a must have or desirable feature for new homes. Some real estate stats I've seen would bear this out as would some of the upscale display homes on show everywhere. Personally I wouldn't want one. A decent WIP for sure but I can't see the sense in having another sink, stove, fridge etc in what is essentially a second kitchen for most families of two adults and one, maybe two kids. I've been to a couple of clients that had them and to make a cup of coffee they disappear to another room. I'd much rather do that in the kitchen - same as prepping a meal or chopping up a salad. Sit your friends down with a glass of wine at your island bench and talk to them as you do it. More comments here regarding WIP, BP's and Sculleries... viewtopic.php?f=16&t=79418 viewtopic.php?f=16&t=68764&p=1118365 viewtopic.php?f=16&t=66919&p=1072316 Stewie Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 5Dec 18, 2015 12:50 pm Should add I don't have a sink or anything in mine, just shelves, drawers/cupboards and a bench, I wouldn't want to stand in a little room washing dishes Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 6Dec 18, 2015 1:03 pm For us it's somewhere to leave appliances out with out being too visible (ours isn't completely closed off from the main part of the kitchen). We have a small sink which will be primarily for filling the kettle and wiping up back there, rather than actually doing dishes. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 7Dec 18, 2015 1:49 pm We did like the butler's pantry thing from the point of view of keeping everything neatly stashed away but easily accessible; but we didn't like the space wastage. I imagine a lot more people are up against land:floorspace ratios than used to be; we were. So instead we've got a wider but not as tall one of these installed: In fact we've also got one of the pull-out-pantry things next to it, and instead of the space-wasting pantry design which was on the original floor-plan of our house, we moved the pantry across the hallway for large items & the small regular-use items like oils, herbs, spreads etc go into the pull-out pantry. The toaster, coffee-maker & kettle live behind the roller-door; 1 second to access, 1 second to pack away outta site without any moving or unplugging. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 8Dec 18, 2015 5:48 pm Because the kitchen is the heart of the home and it should be awesome! Mine is a little different as it is set up as a separate area from the main kitchen, for commercial use with its own sink and oven, however I'd have one regardless. I think its great to have somewhere you can leave the toaster out all the time, same with any other bigger appliances like a stand mixer or thermomix, but you don't necessarily want in full view. I'm also a big fan of open shelving for either ingredients or glassware/servingware but think that can look messy in the main kitchen. With cooking coming back in fashion so to speak I think it's natural that people are focussing their home design to these areas. I'm loving it Our Custom Dale Alcock build in the Village at Wellard https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78620 Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 9Dec 19, 2015 8:38 am Dunno, I reckon the 2nd kitchen ones are a bit faddy, TBH. Unless you have a family of 8, or something where you'd possibly need a kitchen that big. But for builders = double the kitchen expense! Yay! Let's face it, if I'm doing the dishes with guests over I'd rather be able to do the dishes and talk to people, not be tucked away out of sight. We have a massive pantry on our plans, with a bench. The small, rarely used appliances will live on the bench - things like coffee machine etc (which I only use on w/e). All bigger, commonly used appliances like microwave / kettle will be in the main kitchen. The only reason the pantry is so large is because it's on the south wall, and there's no point having windows there anyway. Could have made it smaller, but didn't see the point. Things like the large pots / casserole dishes / cake tins which are infrequently used will also live in the pantry. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 10Dec 19, 2015 8:45 am Our butlers pantry was on the plan we loved so was an added bonus, my only desire was a large walk in pantry. Ours will has a big window overlooking the back yard, heaps of shelving, sink and extra bench for appliances. We don't have much hand washing so I like the idea of hiding it away especially when it's drying on rack. We relocated dishwasher out of pantry into main kitchen as that's a necessity for us that gets used all the time. Our kitchen doesn't have much space to keep appliances out all the time so I'm looking forward to having things like toaster, slow cooker etc permanently setup on bench in pantry.
Here's what we are getting but we added extra bench along back of pantry and having different colours. Pantry Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Kitchen (pantry through door on left) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 11Dec 19, 2015 8:47 am When I first saw these in display homes I was super excited... but now days I kind of just see it as a second kitchen I'd have to clean XD I think depends on the size of your house, number of people living there, and how you will use it. I'm not getting one, but my house is tiny tiny. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 12Dec 19, 2015 3:56 pm We are having a scullery, bulter's pantry or what ever you call them. Its a 2.2m long bench with a sink in the middle and a large window on one side. Like most we wanted somewhere to store the larger items as we do not have any cupboards in the kitchen. I intend to have my coffee machine and grinder in there. There is also a section across the back that is for larders and storage. The garage enters into the scullery. I think it all comes down to personal preference and how it fits with the plan. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 13Dec 19, 2015 5:01 pm It is purely personal preference, but here are the reasons why I would not want one - inefficient use of space. You end up with a pokey little room, usually dark and with little or no natural ventilation, with tricky spaces and corners. Fine for storage but not for working in. - I don't care if people who come to my house can see my toaster/coffee machine or a few dishes in the sink. It's a kitchen. That's what it's for. It's not a magazine photo shoot set. - Seems anti-social. Plus I wouldn't be able to see the TV for my evening ABC news - I don't have a butler and can't see my getting one any time soon. - I'd rather use those few square metres elsewhere, e.g. just make the kitchen a bit bigger. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 14Dec 20, 2015 12:07 pm Yes I can see it is definitely a very personal thing. I can see it would be convenient to keep appliances at easy reach and food also on the open shelves. But when looking at plans they do appear to take up a lot of floor space and just wondered why people were opting for them. I am putting in a walk in pantry so hopefully that will give me enough storage. If building a large kitchen they would probably be good but if kitchen is not big I think it would be better to go without and have a larger kitchen. viewtopic.php?t=81011 Build thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=81011 Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 15Dec 20, 2015 9:01 pm We went a bit against the grain, we removed the walk in pantry and walk in robe, also didn't opt for a home theatre or games room. I needed a study, we wanted a big master bed and we spend our family time in the living room, and alfresco. So all that floor space we put into those areas. So my point I guess is that building a house is very personal, so you build it to how you will use it and what you want. There is no right or wrong answer. I know some people will look at my house and be a but bamboozled lol, but we love it as its how we will use it and the stage of life we are in. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 17Dec 21, 2015 7:57 am Another reason some people like a BP or a simpler WIP is that if you do a moderate amount of entertaining and you have an open plan kitchen/dining area similar to the last picture of H & h's above, you can simply put all the dishes into the BP and close the door, leaving the kitchen relatively tidy. This feature was pointed out by our neighbour across the road yesterday who has a very nice new kitchen and WIP with a decent sized bench. Most times when we entertain we have a plate of antipasto or crackers & dip when our guests arrive then the main meal followed by dessert afterwards. All these create lots of plates, pots, pans, serving dishes etc and our very small kitchen looks like a bomb has gone off. Throw all that lot into your WIP or BP and your house would look a lot tidier while your guests are there. Stewie Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 18Dec 21, 2015 8:25 am We have one. I did a balance of not wanting to waste space while having a second area to keep mess out of the kitchen whilst having enough storage for all food and appliances. We have a bench with sink and dishwasher as well as a double cupboard and set of draws. The rest of the space is open shelving above the bench and down the sides and back. I would without doubt do it again there is nothing I would change about it either. http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b38/njectme/Forever%20House/12_zpsykgvq6s2.jpg Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 19Dec 21, 2015 9:07 am I just wanted to be able to have my appliances out without having to take up kitchen space! We have shelving plus a bench in ours, I wasn't worried about a sink or anything like that. Re: Why a Butlers Pantry? 20Dec 21, 2015 11:28 am Our house is 50 years old, so to a large extent we were stuck with the space available and restricted by existing doors & windows (we didn't want to do serious structural changes). The original space was a fairly small semi-enclosed kitchen with a meals area. We knocked out the walls and took over the whole space for our kitchen. The result is a very large kitchen with a breakfast bar and pantry up one end, and the cooking/food prep/wash up at the other end, with another servery overhang into the living area. All the appliances are on display but personally I have no problem with that whatsoever. It ended up sort of like a modern interpretation of an "eat-in" kitchen where you can prepare and eat a snack or make a coffee up one end of the kitchen without getting in the way of someone who is doing proper cooking or washing up. It is very spacious with bucket loads of natural light and views out to the courtyard & backyard/pool. If I were building a new house I think I would do something similar again, with some slight tweaks. Building Services Engineer Renovating our 1960's modernist home in Brisbane https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=82091 I visited a relatives house and he went with sink in kitchen and butlers, dishwasher in kitchen and butlers and has crockery spread out between the two areas depending on… 2 44072 Basically. If the shelves are fixed then they will be screwed in just the same as the rest of the carcass. To re move the screws you need to remove that section of… 3 5203 That sucks! Hope it all works out. Good to move away from steel anyway for all your reasons, but it's also thermally poor. 16 17871 |