Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Nov 28, 2015 2:16 pm Why do they do this. Stuff obviously isn't finished - why do it. A lot ( if not most ) of us pay a lot of money for a building inspector we don't want to pay twice for a follow up when things aren't done prior to PCI - why do they do it??? I've noticed several ppl having two PCI's due to this. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 2Nov 28, 2015 8:17 pm Practical Completion is the end of the contract, which means that liquidated damages are not payable for any further delays. So it's in their interests to get you to sign and it's not in your interests to sign if things are not finished (barring minor defects & omissions). Never argue with an idiot they drag you down to their level & then beat you with experience - Dilbert View Thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=19733 Contract signed 14Sept Slab 30Sept Bricks laid 1Dec Lock up 26Feb Keys 10Jun Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 3Nov 29, 2015 10:45 am perthgirl16 Why do they do this. Stuff obviously isn't finished - why do it. A lot ( if not most ) of us pay a lot of money for a building inspector we don't want to pay twice for a follow up when things aren't done prior to PCI - why do they do it??? I've noticed several ppl having two PCI's due to this. I agree with the early PCI being just plain wrong if you have a private building inspection costing you $600 or so dollars. An alternative is go to bashworth's www.anewhouse.com.au. Order a PCI inspection report for a small fee and do the PCI yourself. It is a detailed layout of what to look for and it will provide an extensive list to be worked on by your builder before a final and second PCI or handover. If you are not confident in making this comprehensive inspection with Brian's list I am unsure what you should do. That is my opinion and I have the list to work through next Thursday and have 2 hours set aside with my SS for this. It requires taking a ladder to look in roof cavity and to be wearing suitable shoes and clothing to get down and dirty. Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 4Nov 29, 2015 11:48 am What happens is you refuse to sign???? I am under pressure - they are telling me I'm now holding things up - when they haven't finished stuff. We can hold off on moving in for a while and I would prefer they did stuff before we moved in/ did handover etc as I have little kids and don't want to have them around tradies and tools etc and having to deal with appointments to fix things or having tradies not show etc. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 5Nov 29, 2015 12:02 pm I have got the PCI checklist from anewhouse - it's great!!! Plus having an independent inspector too. They have given me 1 apt for PCI this Tuesday. Plus I have to get the guy to measure carpet that day , plus I have to do my own inspection as they are refusing to give me another appointment. As I would have rather read the inspectors report ( which won't be available to 1 or 2 days after inspection). Then added my own list of things ie. I'm pretty sure the shower screens are wrong as they are green - not white Matelux as per the plans. The inspector wont know things like that! What happens at the end of your PCI apt - do they make you sign something??? And how soon after PCI either 1 or PCI2 is handover. The Builder is telling me they have "NEVER" heard of ppl having 2 PCI's - just on this website alone / in the last 6 months in Perth I've read at least 3 couples have had this done. 1 couple we actually know in real life - so it isn't as if I'm getting this from my hairdressers, brothers , girlfriends niece who used to live next door to some that this happened too. Cripes these builders will spin you some manure and expect you to believe it. Is it two weeks to fix stuff?? Because things already a problem ( and already complained about since October) ie our front retaining wall being in the wrong place - will take longer than 2 weeks to sort out and put right. They keep saying it's coming up to Xmas / new year shut down and I'm getting pressure from them. I don't want to accept a substandard job just because they are pushing us. Its the end of the year/ Xmas is coming and ppl usually want to get into their houses - do the builders really thing ppl will just accept a bunch of substandard/ bad things so they can get into their house?? Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 6Nov 29, 2015 4:50 pm I am in the exactly the same boat as you with PCI Thursday. I will go armed with my anewhouse list, a ladder and boots and all day to remain and look at things. The SS has given me 2 hours. We will see. I am not wanting to get into a house that is not right just because of Christmas. I have been living in a caravan Since September 2014 so what is another month? It is my caravan in my mother's driveway so it costs us nothing. Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 7Nov 29, 2015 5:41 pm Yay Goody59 --- solidarity!!!! I friend told me to take a witness with me as hubby cannot get off work for the PCI - I have aq better eye for details anyway!!! That way they cant force you to sign things you don't want to as you have a witness. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 8Nov 29, 2015 11:28 pm perthgirl16 Yay Goody59 --- solidarity!!!! I friend told me to take a witness with me as hubby cannot get off work for the PCI - I have aq better eye for details anyway!!! That way they cant force you to sign things you don't want to as you have a witness. Filming is also even stronger evidence. Wear a go pro if you have to lol Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 9Nov 29, 2015 11:32 pm We get 2 PCIs through our builder as standard, we've had 3 but I don't class the first one as a PCI as it was like a WOT (waste of time!!) Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 10Dec 05, 2015 10:02 am Just had PCI and got the report back - OMG - it's 90 (ninety) pages long. My own list was 6 pages long ---- I'm crying. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 11Dec 05, 2015 11:39 am Hi Perthgirl, I built with BTH and had 3 PCI's, i rang the building commission after the first as my building inspector said the house wasn't practically complete and I shouldn't have signed anything.. so the building commission told me to say I signed under duress because the inspection had pretty much been conducted illegally as you can't have a PCI until the house is liveable.. if I had mg time again I'd have refused to attend the first PCI as it wasted my time and money and if the builders complain at your refusal then I'd say you are talking to the building commission and then see what they say. Sucks that your report is so long.. it's heartbreaking.. Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 12Dec 05, 2015 12:53 pm Sounds like déjà vu maiden!! We refused to class our first PCI as a PCI too as it too was a complete waste of our time and an embarrassment If your house is not practically complete perth girl ie you couldn't live there because no power connected etc then do not accept it as your first PCI Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 13Dec 09, 2015 12:20 am Nothing was signed. the SS let us in, Myself and independent Building inspector. Hung around less than half an hour and never saw him again. We had to lock the door on the way out - so nothing was signed. He barely said hi to me after I said hi to him. Both report lists have been submitted last week and we haven't heard anything from the builder. Have driven by the site but nothing seems to have changed. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 14Dec 21, 2015 4:34 pm Well it's 3 weeks since they made us do PCI on1st Dec 2015. The peoblem lists (mine and our Inspectors) were handed in on the 4th Dec. Since then the only contact we've had with the builder is for them to get me running to Bunnings to choose a pantry handle. The SAME one I chose and emailed them photos of in October as the previous one didn't work because they had to change the pantry door. Well the builder closes mid-day on 23rd Dec 2015 - so I guess it is - official we will not be in before Christmas. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 15Dec 21, 2015 4:34 pm Well it's 3 weeks since they made us do PCI on1st Dec 2015. The peoblem lists (mine and our Inspectors) were handed in on the 4th Dec. Since then the only contact we've had with the builder is for them to get me running to Bunnings to choose a pantry handle. The SAME one I chose and emailed them photos of in October as the previous one didn't work because they had to change the pantry door. Well the builder closes mid-day on 23rd Dec 2015 - so I guess it is - official we will not be in before Christmas. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 16Dec 21, 2015 5:16 pm Really poor effort on the builders behalf!!! Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 17Jan 09, 2016 9:06 pm Yes - very bad. We are still not in - and can see that very little effort has been made since handing in the 96 pages of problems ( on the 4th dec 2015) that we picked up at PCI. I absolutely despair. I need to get in the house before Jan 20th so we can prove to the local school we have the house so our kids can start the new school in the 2016 school year. They have already been upset at the thought of leaving their friends. I don't want them being yanked in and out of schools because the builder cant get their act together. They've had nearly 3 years - we are well out of patience. Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 18Jan 09, 2016 9:18 pm Good question. My pci is on Wednesday and I know things are not finished. My house had been left open numerous times so I was able to have a look around and see the problems and asked for them to be rectified. I bet complete strangers had a look around too. My builder asked me to get my building inspector to do his inspection the week before pci. I said no to that. Didn't feel right. Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 19Jan 11, 2016 2:31 am Yes - that doesn't sound right either. What is it with builders????? Ultimate Homes PERTH '13 Dec Council App '14 Jun Slab '15 Jun Lockup Dec PCI '16 Jan Feb PCI 9 wks ago - still NOT in viewtopic.php?f=31&t=80759 Re: Why do Builders push for PCI when things aren't finished 20Jan 28, 2016 12:06 am They usually let you sign PCI so they are not charged liquidated damages and can basically spend more time finishing your house...they could take 2, 3, or more months to finish if PCI has been signed! Okay sorry silly me, my wife has solves the mystery for me. It’s because the labels on the ports are all wrongly positioned by the builder hence it confuses me. 2 1426 interesting situation what happened after builder issued final invoice? did you list as defect or not does the building surveyor have any responsibility? ie. issuing… 13 47133 Building Standards; Getting It Right! Hi all, My neighbour has built his 15m long garage on our boundary. It was agreed as part of the planning permit that the wall must be in exposed recycled brick. For some… 0 11067 |