Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Sep 03, 2015 2:48 pm Hi, We are building our new home with a project builder and are at the stage of picking our internals, kitchen etc. We have reached an impasse with regards to our kitchen appliances (stove, oven and rangehood). My wife doesn't particularly like the appliances they have included in the package (and the appliances don't have great reviews). When we had requested to supply our own appliances, the builder said no, we have to have the builders appliances installed due to BASIX requirements. When I asked if we could install the appliances after handover and an interim occupational certificate, the builder said that the electrician and plumber have to sign off and so we can't do it that way either. They have asked for the appliances we wanted and have just come back and said they can't supply them so we are now stuck. The design of the appliances is such, that we can't even replace them with the ones we want later on as they are not compatible - they have an integrated stove/oven, while we would prefer a wall oven and normal stove. Has anyone else had this situation? Is the builder correct in saying that the appliances have to be installed before an interim occupational certificate and that their electrician/plumber are the only ones who can install the appliances to sign off on the house? I would appreciate any help/advice. Thanks in advance Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 2Sep 03, 2015 4:43 pm There is a fair bit of bull dust being spread as you don't need appliances for an occupation certificate (see the following link for what is required http://www.anewhouse.com.au/2012/01/occ ... s-it-mean/) Many Builders won't allow other tradesmen on their sites until after completion for insurance reasons. The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 3Sep 03, 2015 4:54 pm Hi bashworth, Thanks for your reply. So we can insist that we be able to install our own appliances after handover? I understand that they will not allow other tradesman to come on site, but if we are installing the appliances after handover, that shouldn't be a problem. The only thing Im not sure is if their their electrician and plumber has to sign off after the appliances are fitted or can they sign off before? Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 4Sep 03, 2015 7:03 pm Hi Vik2015 We were lucky that our builder worked along with us and agreed to doing the electricals and cut outs in our kitchen cupboards preparing for our appliances to be installed AFTER handover. We are almost at handover and have done a KDR in Melbourne. We got a credit back for not going with the standard builders appliances. Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 5Sep 03, 2015 7:19 pm Hi MezMaz71, Yes, I guess I should have made it very clear from the start. When we had spoken to the salesman at Homeworld (in Kellyville), he mentioned that we could have handover without a kitchen and then install it afterward. After hearing that, I guess I got complacent and assumed it would be OK. After spending ALOT of money for "Part A" & "Part B" and giving notice to our tenants (we are doing a KDR as well), we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Too late & expensive to pull out now. Not sure what our options are - can only push, argue and hope for the best! Do you have to use the builders electrician/plumber to install the appliances? Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 6Sep 03, 2015 8:12 pm The plumber and Electrician sign of the work they have done and then your trdies sign off for the work they do. The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 7Sep 04, 2015 5:12 am One of my colleagues built last year with a major builder and they told her if she selected her own appliances, her entire electrical warranty would be void. I thought that was pretty poor form. I have learnt that as unreasonable as many of their decisions are, they will do what they want, but I keep reminding them I am the one paying a large sum of money for a house, and that unless something doesn't meet code, they need to consider it. Good luck M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 8Sep 04, 2015 3:15 pm Hi Vik2015 Like Bashworth commented bashworth The plumber and Electrician sign of the work they have done and then your trdies sign off for the work they do. With our builder we had a clear understanding as to what they were prepared to do and our responsibility was to provide the correct model numbers to proceed with the cut outs and were stated in our HIA building contract. As so many ppl on here have previously stated if it's not written it isn't so? As for our situation, my understanding is we'll get OC without appliances installed, my builder stated we had to have 1 fully operational bathroom at handover. We had builder do all our tiling to our wet areas, but we are doing our own flooring post handover to avoid quads been installed around our flooring, (as we don't like that look). Our builder agreed to lightly tack our skirts back on, so it will greatly assist our flooring installers to remove our skirts prior to laying our bamboo flooring. The builder has agreed to finish painting them post handover once our flooring has been installed. Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 9Sep 05, 2015 3:02 pm I will have a second oven in my kitchen as I bake and I want a specific one, in addition to our builder supplied kitchen appliances. The builder is allowing me to supply it, they will install it. I have had to pay them a fee of approx 10% of the value of the oven for them to install and insure it, but to me it is worth it as it will fit the cabinetry perfectly and will be ready to go when i move in. I had to advise them at pre start which model it was so they could do the drawings with it included. Would your builder consider a owner supplied, builder installed scenario? Our Custom Dale Alcock build in the Village at Wellard https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=78620 Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 10Sep 07, 2015 10:37 pm MezMaz71 Hi Vik2015 Like Bashworth commented bashworth The plumber and Electrician sign of the work they have done and then your trdies sign off for the work they do. With our builder we had a clear understanding as to what they were prepared to do and our responsibility was to provide the correct model numbers to proceed with the cut outs and were stated in our HIA building contract. As so many ppl on here have previously stated if it's not written it isn't so? As for our situation, my understanding is we'll get OC without appliances installed, my builder stated we had to have 1 fully operational bathroom at handover. We had builder do all our tiling to our wet areas, but we are doing our own flooring post handover to avoid quads been installed around our flooring, (as we don't like that look). Our builder agreed to lightly tack our skirts back on, so it will greatly assist our flooring installers to remove our skirts prior to laying our bamboo flooring. The builder has agreed to finish painting them post handover once our flooring has been installed. Sounds like you have a very accommodating builder. Our builder is being very difficult with regards to the appliances They are saying that they will not provide a credit if we go with our own appliances. I am not sure what we will do (or can do) Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 11Sep 07, 2015 10:40 pm Wellard2ndTimers I will have a second oven in my kitchen as I bake and I want a specific one, in addition to our builder supplied kitchen appliances. The builder is allowing me to supply it, they will install it. I have had to pay them a fee of approx 10% of the value of the oven for them to install and insure it, but to me it is worth it as it will fit the cabinetry perfectly and will be ready to go when i move in. I had to advise them at pre start which model it was so they could do the drawings with it included. Would your builder consider a owner supplied, builder installed scenario? We would, except our builder is refusing to entertain that idea. They say that their insurance won't allow it. And they are not providing any credit for the appliances we do not want installed. Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 12Sep 08, 2015 5:41 am Vik2015 We would, except our builder is refusing to entertain that idea. They say that their insurance won't allow it. And they are not providing any credit for the appliances we do not want installed. If they are being that stubborn and inflexible, I would be looking at other builders, and not afraid to tell them that!! Remember that at the end of the day, they work for YOU. You are paying them for a service as well as a product, and if you aren't happy with both of them then consider spending your significant sum of money on a better provider. Building the Denver by Metricon on acreage Land settlement: 24/8/15 Contracts: 8/7/16 Finance approved: 5/8/16 Council approval.....? viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79213 Re: Question about having your own appliances in a project h 13Sep 08, 2015 7:42 am bubblynutter Vik2015 We would, except our builder is refusing to entertain that idea. They say that their insurance won't allow it. And they are not providing any credit for the appliances we do not want installed. If they are being that stubborn and inflexible, I would be looking at other builders, and not afraid to tell them that!! Remember that at the end of the day, they work for YOU. You are paying them for a service as well as a product, and if you aren't happy with both of them then consider spending your significant sum of money on a better provider. I would normally, but we have already spent a considerable sum of $$ (15k+) till date, so it wouldn't make sense to pull out now - we would lose more than we gained. AS well as the fact we have already given notice to our tenants. I guess that's how the builders suck you in - get you to pay as they go along to the point it is too expensive for you to pull out. 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